The Joy of Satan Members and Clergy are STILL Morons

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High Hitler: Nazi leader was a meth addict

Adolf Hitler is remembered as many things: a genocidal warmonger, a hateful ideologue, a failed art student. But the phrase “drug addict” is usually not high among the list of epithets.A new documentary, to be aired this weekend by Britain’s Channel 4, digs into the Führer’s “hidden drug habit.” Based on details in a 47-page American military dossier compiled during the war, Hitler was taking a cocktail of 74 different drugs, including a form of what is now commonly known as crystal meth. He also took “barbiturate tranquilizers, morphine, bulls’ semen,” according to reports.The revelations aren’t exactly new. Methamphetamines, which were pioneered in Germany at the end of the 19th century, were used by various armies during World War II as stimulants to aid fatigued soldiers. The drug was popularly consumed in Germany as Pervitin, a pill Hitler took among his various medications.

As a young soldier in the Wehrmacht, Heinrich Böll — who won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1972 — wrote forlorn, bleak letters home. “Perhaps you could obtain some more Pervitin so that I can have a backup supply?” he requested in a 1940 letter, cited by German publication Der Spiegel.

Hitler was apparently prescribed these drugs by Theodor Morell, an unconventional doctor who examined Hitler daily beginning in 1936. The American dossier drew upon Morell’s personal letters.

News of Hitler’s meth consumption spawned yet another “Downfall” parody on YouTube:

The Nazi leader was supposedly injected with extracts from bull’s testicles to boost his libido — the Führer needed to cut a virile figure in public and, as reports suggest, keep up with Eva Braun, his much younger consort. Other medicines were aimed at combating a host of Hitler’s maladies, ranging from stomach cramps to symptoms related to a potential bipolar disorder.

He was apparently under the influence of methamphetamine when he held his last meeting with Italian dictator Benito Mussolini in July 1943 — a reportedly tense, one-sided affair with Hitler lecturing his counterpart, whose hold on power was about to totally unravel.

The Daily Mail offers some more detail on the new revelations:

The dossier also debunks one of the most enduring legends about the Fuhrer – the claim that he lost a testicle when he was injured at the Battle of the Somme. Morale-boosting ditty ‘Hitler has only got one ball’ was popular during the Second World War and his admirer Unity Mitford suggested he ‘lacked something in the manly department’.

But the American records, which feature in a Channel 4 documentary, show the dictator was not monorchid (the medical term for being born with one testicle). They also shoot down claims that Hitler was a predatory homosexual who massacred 150 supporters to hide his secret.

Hitler’s own addictions shouldn’t obscure the vast scale drugs like methamphetamine were consumed by both sides in World War II. Millions of tablets of various narcotics were issued as stimulants to soldiers. The nickname for Pervitin in Germany was Panzerschokolade, or “tank chocolate.”

“Two tablets taken once eliminate the need to sleep for three to eight hours, and two doses of two tablets each are normally effective for 24 hours,” advised the Nazi military command, in a communique released in 1942. The German invasions of Poland and France, says Der Spiegel, were driven by soldiers hooked on meth and copious amounts of alcohol.

The drug’s ill effects were less known, including insomnia, hallucinations, erratic behavior and a dulling of brain functions over time. The trope of the “zombie” Nazi soldier is a popular one in science fiction  — and, as these reports all reveal, that may not just be because of the evils carried out by Hitler’s murderous regime.

Ishaan Tharoor writes about foreign affairs for The Washington Post. He previously was a senior editor at TIME, based first in Hong Kong and later in New York.

THE DEVIL IS GOD LED ZEPPELIN KNOWS – by HP Mageson666 aka High Priest Don Danko

A year ago, the following was written by Greg Olear on THE WEEKLINGS.

SO sorry, not posting HP Mageson’s retarded blathering. 😛

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ais53rladFU

SONG BENEATH THE SONG: LED ZEPPELIN’S “STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN” AS TAROT CARD READING

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PLENTY OF PEOPLE, and most music critics, regard “Stairway to Heaven” as a childish indiscretion, a song we enjoyed in our shameful adolescence because we didn’t yet know how to change the road we were on. Lester Bangs is one of those people. Erik Davis, who wrote the (superb) 33 1/3 book on Led Zeppelin’s untitled fourth album1, is one of those people. Heck, Robert Plant is one of those people. In interviews with him on the subject, he comes off a bit like William Shatner in that great SNL sketch where he addresses the gathering of Vulcan-eared Trekkies: “You turned an enjoyable job I did as a lark for a few years into a colossal waste of time!”

I do not hold with the haters. I think “Stairway to Heaven” is an unequivocal masterpiece, and I love it without irony or qualification. I love the hauntingly beautiful opening guitar part; that it was supposedly lifted from Spirit’s “Taurus” doesn’t bother me any more than the plot of Romeo and Juliet being appropriated from a cheesy Arthur Brooke play.2 I love the way the song builds and doesn’t hew to the usual verse-chorus-verse-chorus formula. I love the way Bonzo’s drums come in when they do. I love the bustle in the hedgerow. And I love that it conjures up memories of high school dances and Battles of the Bands and adolescent wanting and the glory of teenage night.

The song, and Led Zeppelin in general, represents, along with Charlie Chaplin, Michael Jordan, Breaking Bad, and beignets from Café du Monde, one of those rare instances where larger-than-life hype is completely and totally deserved. Like the beignets, “Stairway” is a guilty, decadent pleasure. Like Chaplin, it’s universally popular—but more so in America than in Britain, where it was born. Like Jordan, it never loses. Whenever classic rock stations trot out their “Most Requested Songs” gimmick, “Stairway” is always, always, always number one. The only suspense, once the top five is breached, is whether the second track will be “Satisfaction” or “Hey Jude.” As Davis argues in his book:

“Stairway to Heaven” isn’t the greatest rock song of the 1970s; it is the greatest spell of the 1970s. Think about it: we are all sick of the thing, but in some primordial way it is still number one. Everyone knows it… Even our dislike and mockery is ritualistic. The dumb parodies; the Wayne’s World-inspired folklore about guitar shops demanding customers not play it; even Robert Plant’s public disavowal of the song—all of these just prove the rule. “Stairway to Heaven” is not just number one. It is the One, the quintessence, the closest [album-oriented rock] will ever get you to the absolute.

And like Breaking Bad, it presents both the very best and the very worst of the human condition. If there is light in “Stairway,” there is also darkness. Specifically, the Prince of Darkness, my sweet Satan. For we cannot write about “Stairway to Heaven” without discussing its alleged diabolical undertones. While the Devil rumors are silly, they are also sticky, so we may as well address them up front.

Ozzy Osbourne played in Black Sabbath, a band named for the Satanic mass. He allegedly bit the head off a live bat, and otherwise behaved as though he was in fact possessed by daemons. As a solo artist, he wrote a song called “Mr. Crowley,” as in Aleister Crowley, the notorious occultist and black magician. Later, he starred in a reality show with his family, elevating his talentless daughter Kelly to the status of C-list celebrity—which could only have happened in some sort of soul swap with Our Dark Lord. The dude’s basically spent the last 40 years jumping up and down shouting, “Hey, guys! I worship Lucifer! Look! See how I’m making devil horns with my hands?!” And yet no one seems to object, probably because Ozzy is not, and should not be, taken seriously. Jimmy Page, meanwhile, evinces a scholarly interest in the occult, buys Crowley’s lakeside estate, maybe sneaks in some vague Satanic messages on an album, but otherwise keeps whatever sinister religious beliefs he may have to himself…and he’s somehow the antichrist. How does that compute?

Certainly Page cultivated an air of mystery, which his alleged devil worship served to enhance, but his allegiance to Lucifer is overblown. That’s not just my opinion. Pamela des Barres, his companion around the time the fourth album came out, had this to say about the Zeppelin-as-Satanists rumor: “Absolutely not true. The only band member into anything occult was Jimmy, and he was intrigued with Aleister Crowley and his ‘do what thou wilt’ message….Jimmy definitely tiptoed along the edge of darkness and danger, but never once did I hear any mention of Satan!” If Page was into the devil, he certainly wasn’t proselytizing.

But then, it may be that the sneaky way in which Zep’s Satanism (supposedly) reveals itself is what gives the rumors legs. Unlike Sabbath, whose very name announces its daemonic affiliations, Led Zeppelin’s alleged allegiance to the Devil is backmasked on “Stairway to Heaven”—a song that insists that “words have two meanings” but that “if you listen very hard, the tune will come to you at last.” For confirmation, we must play the record backwards, in just the right spot, and all is revealed. Sort of.

What’s interesting about this, to me, is not that backmasked appeals to “my sweet Satan” can be heard—they can—but that this was discovered in the first place. Who the hell was the originator of this allegation, the prime mover who presumably sat around playing rock records backwards, seeking out Satan in his humming head? In 2014, this sort of thing would be tracked back to some blog post on some obscure website, or perhaps a stray tweet, written perhaps by this guy. Before social media, news traveled more slowly—it, ahem, winded on down the road. Like occult secrets, it was distributed solely by word of mouth. Davis traces the backmasking rumors as far back as 1981, to a Michigan minister, Michael Mills, who announced the findings on Christian radio, ten full years after the album’s release. While Mills was certainly the one who brought the infernal brouhaha into the mainstream, I have difficulty believing that he stumbled upon this himself. I asked des Barres about it3, and she confirmed my suspicions. “The rumors started way before ’81,” she said, “when Robert’s son died unexpectedly and Robert was involved in a terrible car accident,” in 1977 and 1975, respectively. This bit of arcanum was known to Zep cognoscenti for years, then, perhaps leaked to a select few by the band’s mad genius manager, Peter Grant, a big believer in Word of Mouth. What better way to compel thousands of people to buy a ten-year-old record than a hidden endorsement from Satan Himself? How many copies did Mills personally buy, only to destroy them by playing them backwards? Did this idea originate with Page? Grant? Producer Andy Johns? Was it a complete coincidence? We’ll never know, and in the end, it doesn’t matter.

“The fact is that, within two minutes of singing, ‘Stairway to Heaven’ contains at least seven reversed phrases of a suggestively devilish nature,” Davis writes, “…buried in a tune about pipers and whispers and listening really hard, a tune that, for a spell, ruled the world. I’m not saying supernatural forces are afoot. I’m just saying it makes you wonder.”

All of which would be more relevant to the task at hand—deciphering the meaning of the song—if the lyrics were written by the guy des Barres says was the only member of the band into the occult.

But Jimmy Page didn’t write the words to “Stairway to Heaven.” Robert Plant did.

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Plant was born in August of 1948 in the Black Country of the West Midlands. His father was a civil engineer. His mother was of Romany descent—the people known popularly as gypsies. He left home at 16, immersed himself in the blues, and four years later had hooked up with Jimmy Page to form Led Zeppelin. He was twenty; Page was almost five full years older—an important fact to remember, when considering the dynamic between the guitarist and the front man.

As a teenager, Plant studied stamp collecting and the history of Roman Britain. His well-documented immersion into the blues meant that he hung around with a lot of guys like Steve Buschemi’s character in Ghost World. He read poetry and mythology and Tolkien. If Dungeons & Dragons had existed, he would have played it obsessively. Simply put, the guy was a nerd, albeit one packaged in the body of a self-styled “golden god.” Just as he wore low-rise jeans 30 years before they became popular, he was the prototype of the cool geek.

The lyrics for “Stairway” were written at an old stone castle called Headley Grange, Davis reports, a dismal place that Plant did not like but Page thought was boss, late in the year 1970. The two of them were sitting by the fire one night, perhaps high on something perhaps not, and Plant scribbled down the first words to the song. He would later report that they came to him as if written automatically.

So: “Stairway” was composed by a 22-year-old closet geek, a Lord of the Rings fanboy who knew all about Vespasian’s run as governor of Britannia, while his de facto older brother, who may or may not have worshiped the devil but certainly liked to dabble in the occult, was beside him, in a 200-year-old stone building that was once a poorhouse, in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the night. This sort of information is relevant to our reading of the lyrics.

Few songs have offered such a wide range of interpretations as “Stairway to Heaven.” The comment board at Songfacts contains any number of them, many interesting, many insane. Some find Satanic messages lurking; others read it as a Christian parable. RapGenius is all over the Biblical allusions. Plant himself remarked that his own interpretation changes all the time, and he wrote the freaking thing. As Davis describes the lyrics: “It’s a zoo in there.”

But go back to the fireside, where Plant sat with his pen and paper, Page hovering demonically nearby. Is it possible that there was a deck of Tarot cards on that table? If Page owned rare Crowley manuscripts and first editions, he was certainly familiar with the Oswald Wirth book on Tarot. It’s inconceivable that he did not own a Rider-Waite deck, given that everything about the design of the fourth LP derives from the Tarot.

The cover of the album is a stylized version of the ninth major arcana card, The Hermit, while the inside cover—that is, the poster that your roommate had on your wall freshman year in college—is almost identical to the Rider Deck image:

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Also, the four “runes” that comprise the album’s title represent the four tarot suits…

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…Swords, Cups, Pentacles, and Wands/Staves, respectively.

Here’s Davis on the runes:

The first thing that must be said is that there are four of them, and that they appear on the fourth record released by a quartet, a record that features four songs on each side…all these fours suggest the most fundamental of occult quaternities: Earth, Air, Fire, and Water, the four elements once believed to make up the whole of material reality…decisively linked to the four suits of the Tarot deck by the French magus Eliphas Levi….Levi expanded magic’s network of correspondences by correlating Earth, Air, Fire, and Water to, respectively, [Pentacles], Swords, Wands, and Cups.

The band famously insisted that there be no writing on the cover at all, no band name or album title. This invites us to read the lyrics as symbols, or rather as interpretations of various symbols. My theory is that “Stairway to Heaven” is a Tarot reading, a draw of the 13 cards that comprise one version of the Celtic Cross. Plant and Page may have laid the cards on the table as they were working out the words…who knows? As in actual Tarot readings, the story of the cards doesn’t cohere exactly, and lends itself to multiple interpretations.

“Stairway” as Tarot card reading would go like this:

1. The Empress

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The Empress rules the empire, holds sceptered sway over all material things. Note the golden orb on her staff. The stars on her tiara suggest an otherwordly quest.

2. Five of Pentacles

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This card is about lack, about not having. Here, beggars brave the elements outside a warm church, unable to go inside and enjoy the bounty.

In Tarot readings, the first two cards drawn form the querent’s central conflict: in this case, that of having great riches, and having nothing. The reading, and the song, is about resolving the conflict between material and spiritual gain.

3. Nine of Swords

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The card of despair. The “sign on the wall” are those swords, more swords than anyone could use, nine swords of Damocles ready to fall and cause injury.The third card in the sequence is the root cause of the problems. In this case, a feeling of dread that likely has deeper meaning than a lack of material resources. All the glittering gold in heaven’s vault cannot buy the cure for the querent’s ailment.

4. Nine of Pentacles

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Pentacles are about material things, generally, and this card is one of mastery. The falconer controls the falcon. This is someone at the height of his powers. But the fourth position is the past, an influence that is receding. This loss of control, too, plagues the querent. The falcon cannot hear the falconer; things fall apart; the centre cannot hold.

 5. Three of Wands

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This card is pretty much about the spirit crying for leaving. Which happens to be the attitude told by the card in the fifth position. The querent is ready to move on.

6. Five of Swords

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The scene on this gloomy card appears to be the aftermath of a battle (“the pain of war cannot exceed / the woe of aftermath”). It indicates hope and learning from negative experiences.

The sixth position indicates the future, the coming influence. So, to recap, the mastery of the past has been lost, the present is all gloom, but the future suggests hope.

 7. Judgement [sic]

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By making the correct choices—and “Stairway” is all about choices—we can enter the Kingdom of Heaven. By stairway, perhaps.

The seventh position concerns self-reflection—how the querent sees herself. Here, she seeks salvation, and hopes, but is not sure, that she is worthy.

8. Ten of Cups

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The best card in the deck, perhaps, the Ten of Cups is the wish fulfillment card. All is right with the world. Peace and prosperity are here!

Unfortunately for the querent, this is illusory. The eighth card indicates how others view her, not as she views herself. She does not really have it all, even if she seems to. All that glitters is not gold!

9. Queen of Wands

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Wands/staves/rods correlate to the earth, to the vernal renewal process. The Queen of Wands rules the spring, which makes her, yes, the May Queen. Her cheerfulness permeates everything. (“Bustle in the hedgerow,” incidentally, means literally that a piece of a Victorian woman’s dress has been discarded in the garden—the remains of last night’s orgy).

The ninth card indicates a factor that the querent has overlooked. In this case, her buoyancy of spirit.

 10. The High Priestess

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The High Priestess stands for mystery, the occult, hidden knowledge—all the stuff Jimmy Page is into. The “B” and “J” on the pillars behind her stand for Beelzebub and Jehovah—Satan or God, the binary choice.

The card in the tenth position indicates the outcome of the conflict, in this case the clash between material wealth and spiritual lack. But the High Priestess is fuzzy. There is no clear outcome. All is vague. Like the song.

 11. The Fool

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The Fool is not one in the modern sense of the word, but is more of an innocent, a naïf. He goes where his impulses take him, without a thought to the consequences, or to the dangers.

12. The Moon

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The Moon symbolizes things that go bump in the night: our deepest fears, terrifying illusions that turn out, in the light of day, to be nothing but shadows.

13. The Hanged Man

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The Hanged Man is still. He surrenders to his fate, and in his surrender, finds enlightenment.

Cards 11-13 comprise a summary of the reading. Here: the Fool is ready for his journey, encounters his deepest fears which give him pause, and winds up hanging from the tree of knowledge.

The final movement of “Stairway” achieves the same purpose, summarizing the querent’s conflict. The Fool winds on down the road, the “shadows taller than our souls” the fears that paralyze him. But he finds enlightenment. The key phrase is: “the tune will come to you at last.” This is a passive outcome. The querent does not come to the “tune,” but the other way around. Enlightenment is only achieved by stillness, quiet contemplation, and surrendering to the nature of things—”to be a rock and not to roll.”

The reading determines that the solution to the conflict between material abundance and spiritual salvation is the yogic pose of stillness. Or something like that. Like all Tarot readings, the lyrics only cohere to a certain point. Which is, ultimately, what Plant was going for with the words: that they have two (at least) meanings.

  1. Technically, the title of the album is the four glyphs, which means the title of his book is the four glyphs as well, but italicized. We don’t have the budget for that, so I shall refer to it here as Led Zeppelin IV.
  2. Though it does give new meaning to “My Spirit is crying for leaving.”
  3. Via our Weeklings music editor Joe Daly, who interviewed her on these pages.
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Exposing The Joy of Satan Website (AKA Pissing the Christian HungARYAN Off with FACTS)

Exposing The Joy of Satan Website

What is the Real Situation?

Since 2002 the internet Satanist organization known as the Joy Of Satan Ministries [JOS] gained a reputation of being a group of wayward and misdirected teens who are nothing more than dabblers in satanic play. Members claim that they are Satanists and they identify with neo-Nazi ideals. With the many articles available, the site seems comprehensive and full of information. This website has been praised by others for having rituals and meditations which seem to form a complete and useful system for its followers. Underneath the surface are the lies, deceit and outright plagiarism that the website owner created to build the website. [1]

The website owner of the Joy Of Satan Ministries, known as ‘High Priestess’ Maxine Dietrich, [real name, Andrea Herrington] tried to cleverly piece together a version of neo-nazi Satanism that is based on fanatic racism, anti-religious sentiment and neo-nazi fascism. Maxine fills in information for her website from whatever sources that she feels entitled to steal from. Maxine then claims that the materials for her website come from a divine source – “demons”. This lie that she perpetuates, attracts members to her websites that give her donation money to fund her lifestyle and to pay for her husband’s Neo-Nazi campaign. By scamming people through peddling plagiarized writings on the Joy of Satan site, ‘High Priestess’ Maxine Dietrich funds her lifestyle.

Over the years several authors and publishers have confronted her, but that has not seemed to stop her from stealing other writer’s works and selling them for a profit. This essay will expose the false foundation of the Joy of Satan site and hopefully bring some retribution to the many authors that have had their names slandered by this ‘satanic’ charlatan named Maxine Dietrich. [2]

Important Copyright Information:

Before we approach the subject of what copyrighted material is used on the Joy Of Satan site, we should first look at what copyright standards really are, and what constitutes ‘fair use’ of copyright materials in writing. Since Copyright law is a complex subject, provided here is a brief definition from the US copyright office website.

Copyright is the ownership of a created expression, in the form of music, writing, video, art, web sites, or other mediums. Copyright ownership technically begins at the moment that the work is created. When a creation is copyrighted by the owner it is registered with the copyright office, which then grants the creator proof of ownership of the copyrighted work. This protects the copyright owner legally, and gives them the rights of ownership that can be defended in court.

There is a way to use copyrighted material for the purpose of education or review. This is called ‘Fair Use’ of copyrighted material and this is clearly defined on the US Copyright Office website. According to the law fair use is defined as:

“quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author’s observations;..” [3]

Also according to copyright law, the fair use of the copyright material is put into in question if it does not meet certain guidelines. The majority of the writings on the Joy of Satan site do not cite the proper reference materials, according to the ‘Fair Use’ guidelines. When a writer uses material gathered from unattributed sources without permission, then subsequently compiles it with the appearance of originality and then publishes it, and sells it for profit, then it is not fair use by any means. Since this is the case, the materials and the books for sale on the Joy of Satan site are plagiarized versions of copyrighted materials.

What is the Definition of Plagiarism?

Plagiarism is something that can destroy a writer’s reputation. This is because the plagiarist intentionally uses direct passages or quotes or deceptively uses ideas or writing styles that belong to authors without properly attributing the source materials to the copyright owners. This is a misleading and dishonest practice that is intended to make the plagiarist appear as the original source of the work. [4]

What is Acceptable use?

If the material is being used for educational purposes, cited properly and not used for profit, then it would be within fair use of copyright law. Quotes or ideas that are attributed to the original author fall within the definition of fair use. Citing an author to compare or discuss ideas is appropriate. Lying, hiding source materials and claiming others ideas as your own, and selling these things for profit, is not ‘fair use’.

This essay is intended as a criticism of intentional plagiarism of books and websites by Maxine Dietrich, the owner of the Joy of Satan Ministries website. Now, let’s explore the many sources and materials that Maxine used for her websites.

Stolen Materials from Franz Bardon

Maxine Dietrich has many pages on her site that use materials written by Franz Bardon. This author was a stage magician and the son of a Christian mystic. Franz Bardon taught a method of natural magic called Hermetics which had been influenced by Eliphas levi, an ex-catholic turned occultist and Francis Barrett, an English Kabbalist. Bardon also focused on Kabalah and eastern teachings of Tantra. The book, written by Bardon titled “Initiation into Hermetics” contains two sections, one for theory and one for practice. These sections include a step-by step guide to magic empowerment that was carefully copied and integrated into the Joy of Satan website by Maxine Dietrich. [5]

Maxine’s website includes pages about balencing energies, evoking the elements, breathing, visualization, rituals, consciousness, astral travel, clairaudience, and even ‘goodhood’, which is the same program and methods created by Bardon. Unfortunately, Maxine Dietrich used the information and ideas of Franz Bardon in her web pages without giving the author any credit.

Maxine Dietrich has to hide the fact that this knowledge is borrowed. To make the information from Bardon appear more “satanic” instead of Kabbalistic or Christian, she tells people that the instructions come from a demon, “Father Satan”. Here are a few examples of the plagiarism of Franz Bardon’s books found throughout the Joy of Satan site.

Creation of Advanced Thoughtforms

On the Joy of Satan web page called “Advanced_Thoughtforms.html”, Maxine gives instruction on how to create a thoughtform. On this page are two sections of text in quotes which are a copy of instructions that are from Franz Bardon’s Hermetics. There are only a few sentences of added writing in-between on this page. At the bottom of the page is a tiny reference that says “Initiation into Hermetics” which is more of an afterthought to the last several paragraphs on the page enclosed in quotes.The joy of satan’s webpage is not a review of the authors work nor is it a discussion of the contents of the book, it is plagiarism. This webpage on thought forms is deceiving because it is made to look as if Maxine is the original author of the writings. [6]

Uncovering the Truth about Franz Bardon, and the Joy of Satan..

Maxine is unable to describe magic or the occult in her own words and from her own experience, so she uses materials from websites to fill in information on her site. The Joy of Satan page titled ‘Library.html’ begins with a large portion of text about “Frabato the Magician” that was taken from the ChaosMatrix.org website. This document, “Letter From Germany No. 1. By Frater U.’.D.’.”. from the ChaosMatrix.org site is pasted onto her website as an obvious attempt at explaining her proposed argument that ‘satan’ gave her the information that she took from Bardon.

Maxine Dietrich claims that this information from Bardon was given to Bardon by Satan, but that it was altered by the ‘Jews’. The only thing that was altered was Bardon’s original writings by Maxine Dietrich in her attempt to make ‘satanic’ materials on her websites for her followers to read. Here is a quote from ‘High Priestess’ Maxine Dietrich about the source of her materials from the “Library.html” page:

“…[the texts] were written by a man known as ‘Franz Bardon’. I asked Father Satan some time ago how Bardon came to reveal the information he did. His reply was “ME.” ” -Maxine Dietrich

Untrue statements like in the quote above, reveal some questionable things about her intellect. This behaviour of lying about source materials is typical of a plagiarist, and even more so it is a method to keep authority as a cult leader. Most members of the Joy of Satan are inexperienced, having never studied writings in the occult before. Those of us who have read magic texts will know where this information comes from, but the members of the Joy of Satan have no idea that they are being deceived.[7]

Teaching how to Invoke the Quintessence

The majority of the page titled “Quintessence.html” is a copy from “Initiation Into Hermetics”. There is one entire paragraph on this page taken from Bardon enclosed within a quote, and the rest of the page is filled in with only a few brief sentences. Other material found on the “Quintessence.html” page is a paste from an article on Wikipedia. Maxine left a notice at the top of the page, which is the only original sentence on this page, and it says :”The following excerpt was taken in some parts from “Initiation Into Hermetics” by Franz Bardon.” This is an unacceptable use of copyrighted materials when the whole web page is just a copy of text from a book, which is altered in minor ways to make it look original.

Maxine claims to have inside knowledge on these subjects, but this example illustrates the point that she lacks originality and true awareness of the things that she presents on her website. Maxine’s assertion that this information comes from satan is very contradictory, considering that it is a typical Christian belief that all occult texts and materials are satanic, or influenced by satan.[8]

Citing One Source, then Taking From Another

Maxine notes on her website that she used one source material for a page, when in reality she plagiarized from another source. On the page titled “Creating_Elementals.html” , Maxine Dietrich claims that the information from this page is from the 1956 edition of Franz Bardon “Initiation into Hermetics”. This is untrue, because some brief investigation on the net revealed a website, a psychokinesis manual that had the same word-for-word phrases and ideas that she used for this page.

The original source material page is called the “Psychokinesis Manual” from a website called PsiPog, a copyrighted work written long ago by a person named ‘Apollo’ [Chris King]. Maxine gives reference on the “Creating_Elementals.html” page for Franz Bardon, while she copied all of the materials from Chris King’s internet essay. [9]

The Real Necronomicon?

Because Maxine uses the text of other writers so that she can create pages in her website, it calls into question her credibility as an author and an occultist. In the page, “Necronomicon.html”, a large portions of text are copied from the ‘1586’ version of the Necronomicon. Maxine Dietrich claims that the 1586 version of the John Dee Necronomicon is the original work of satan. Here is a quote from The Joy of Satan site about Maxine’s knowledge of the history of the Necronomicon:

“[the Necronomicon] was authored by Dr. John Dee, you know, the man who brought us the Enochian calls.” – Maxine Dietrich[10]

The ‘facts’ about this book that she wrote on her page are incorrect. The Necronomicon originated as a fictional story created by H.P. Lovecraft in the 20th century. This shows her inexperience and lack of knowledge about the origins of her own source material.

Paragraphs of text are pasted from this book with no indication of where this material is taken from, or where the quote begins or ends. On this page is a link to the 1586 copy of the book, in PDF version. This PDF is from the Sacredmagick.com library, but the book is actually hosted at the Joy Of Satan website. This violates the user agreement of Sacredmagick.com which states that the materials from the site may not be hosted anywhere else but at the Sacredmagick.com site. The use of writing from authors for the purpose of review or discussion of those materials would have been considered fair use, but her method is to use other author’s works to build entire pages for her website. [11]

Materials that Were Sourced from the Web

The Wingmakers Forum
Maxine took entire portions of text from a forum called the Wingmakers to create her page, “Thoughtform.htm”. The Wingmakers Forum is not on the net anymore, but searches at the internet archives revealed several essays that were stolen from the author named ‘DrPiglove’ on the Wingmaker’s forum. The writings on this page were changed slightly from the original materials on the forum.

Another page that she plagiarized from is a post called ‘Sex Magick’ by DrPiglove on the Wingmakers website. She used this material to make the “Sex_Magic.htm” page. Also, information from the Wingmakers site was used for the joy of satan “Hypnosis.html” page. These pages were integrated into the Joy of Satan website and disguised as instruction, when in reality this material is plagiarized from an internet forum, and contains no original content.[12] Maxine keeps her readers interest by providing them with instructions of other authors works, while she claims to be the original author. It makes her look good, makes her money and she fools everyone into thinking that she has power and authority.

Maxine Deitrich’s Star Magick Lists:

Maxine claims to have knowledge on astrology. On the Joy of Satan page, “Star_Magick.html” there is a list, which is cut-and-paste text from a website called BeMyAstrologer.com. This website has been on the net since 2002. She used this information from the BeMyAstrologer page for references on what she calls ‘star magic’. Then she told her website readers that the information and instruction came from Satan. Apparently she feels that it is alright to take materials from people’s websites without their permission or knowledge, and lie to her readers to hide the fact that she is a plagiarist. [13] None of the material on the joy of Satan ‘Star_Magick” page is original, and there is no citations of the original authors.

The Self-Hypnosis Definitions:
Maxine Dietrich also used definitions from writers in her website without giving credit to any of these sources. On the ‘Determining_Trance.html’ page, which is a manual for self-hypnosis, Maxine copied the definition for ‘catalepsy’ from a website. Also pasted onto this page about Trance is a quote from the ‘David-Husband Scales’, a manual for determining states of hypnosis. These sources that she has used are not cited anywhere on this web page. It’s a shame because there is no credit given to any of the original authors of this information.[14] That leaves her own credibility in question.

Joy of Satan Chakra Breathing Ideas:
The ideas for the Joy of Satan Chakra breathing exercises were developed from a page on the net called Dragon Alchemy. This page “Breathing666.htm” is a basic re-write of these exercises from the Dragon Alchemy site. The Dragon Alchemy site has been on the net since 2003, and they appear to be the original author of these ideas that Maxine copied and used for her website page on chakra breathing. [15] In fact, the original material from the Dragon Alchemy website was not intended for satanism, but she took the liberty to add her satanic information to the page to make it look ‘satanic’, and therefore useful to the visitors of her site. She has used this same formula with all of the authors that she has stolen from.

Brain Wave Information:
The Joy of Satan “Brainwaves.html” meditation page was created from a Christian prayer site called “Brain Waves and DNA, by W.E.B.” This site has been on the net since 2003. Maxine Dietrich took the information from this Christian site and changed it slightly to try and create a satanic meditation for her website. Of course, Maxine gives no indication on where she got this information on “Brainwaves” from. [16] Her website readers certainly wouldnt want to discover that she is getting her information from a christian website.

Other Authors Frequently Plagiarized

Anton LaVey and the Satanic Bible, Plagiarized

Searches of older, archived versions of the Joy of Satan site reveal that Maxine used the writings of Anton LaVey’s “The Satanic Bible” and “The Satanic Rituals”. Many of those pages have either been removed or changed over the years, most likely in response to blatant criticism of theft and plagiarism.

Maxine used the materials from “The Satanic Bible”, while she called Anton LaVey a ‘Jew who defaced the Enochian Keys’. There are nineteen Enochian keys in the Satanic Bible which Maxine claims are ‘bastardized’ versions of demonic works. Each key of the Satanic Bible is copied into her website and changed slightly, with absolutely no credit to the author or the source on all nineteen pages. To fill in information about the Enochian language page, Maxine scraped content from a Enochian Dictionary website on the net. [17]

The Joy of Satan page, titled “Rituals_html” is an obvious plagiarism of the Ritual in the Satanic Bible. It is called the Standard Satanic ritual, and the methods and invocation are nearly identical to the invocation to Satan in the Satanic Bible. Of course she tells her readers not to read the Satanic bible, while she takes rituals from them to create pages on her site. She obviously has no experience in Satanic ritual if she can not describe what a ritual is, in her own words. [ ]

Maxine Dietrich also copied line for line into the pages of her website a major portion of the Satanic Rituals, called the Al-Jilwah. This part of the Satanic Bible is not in the public domain. The Al-Jilwah is a document which the members of the Joy of Satan believe was authored by what they call, “satan”.[18] She also reacted to LaVey in a malicious way on her website, while at the same time she used rituals and writings from his books. She also has treated other authors in the same manner, once it is revealed that she has stolen from their writings. Then she ‘corrects’ the writings, adding to it, and tells her readers that the information was given to her by satan.

Richard Cavendish, The Black Arts

On several pages of her site Maxine Dietrich uses material from the Richard Cavendish book, “The Black Arts”. On the Joy of Satan page, “Herbs.html”, which is a page on the use of herbs in magic, there is a list of herbs created from stolen content found on the internet. There is an article on that page for ‘mandrake root’ on the Joy of Satan page, a direct copy of the same definition given in “the black arts”. Unfortunately for her, there are no sources cited on this page. It is most likely that the information on this page about herbs is a gathered list from many other sources. She wants people to think that she is knowledgeable in occultism, but she is only deceiving her readers. Writing is deceptive when it is not cited, and when it is compiled into a list made to look like an original work.[19]

Extensive Plagiarism of Stephen Arroyo

Found in the Satanic Power Meditations Page “Evoking_Elements.html” are materials from the book “Psychology and the Four Elements” by Stephen Arroyo. There are five pages on the Joy of Satan site which focus on Elemental Invocation, and Maxine uses many passages from this book on each of these page. The true sources on these Joy of Satan pages are never cited. [20] Stephen Arroyo is a professional writer for Llewellyn.

The Complete Book of Spells, Copied

An archived version of “demonolatry.html”, found on the Joy of Satan website, is a page with an invocation and blessing to Satan. The origin of this material is a copied verse sourced from this book, “The Complete Book of Spells, Ceremonies and Magic” By Migene Gonzolez-Wippler. This page is no longer available on the site, as the owners of the material most likely discovered the plagiarism and had requested to have the materials removed from the Joy of Satan website.. [21]

The Satanic Emerald Tablets of Thoth

The Joy of Satan site has a ‘satanic’ version of the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, found on the “Tablet_One.html” page. On this page, Maxine adapts the work by changing verses to try and tries to assert in her writings that the ‘demon’ Thoth is giving her this knowledge. The original book of Thoth can be found at the Scribd website. Unfortunately the use of this material from the Scribd site, externally hosted on another site without permission, violates their copyright and user terms. [22]

Stolen Writing from Donald Tyson

Maxine’s knowledge on demons was created by other authors. On the Joy of Satan page, titled ‘Daemons.html’, the definitions of the word ‘Demon’ are plagiarized from the occultist Donald Tyson, an author published by Llewellyn. [20] Several phrases from Tyson, pasted into her site are never cited, nor is any reference whatsoever given at the end of the article. Further down the page, there is another phrase lifted from the Virginia Tech history department web page on ‘Demons’. Maxine has to grab materials from websites to make others think that she knows what demons are. [23] Unfortunately many have went to her website for advice on demons, but the materials that she presents are not her own.

Plagiarism of Astrology Authors, Judy Collins and Linda Goodman

Maxine Dietrich obviously wants everyone to think that she is smart. But, she is not smart enough. Time after time, phrases searched from her website can be found in other searches on the net, mostly from books, revealing the sources that she copied word for word onto her webpages. One of these sources is her Astrology page, “How to Read a Natal Chart”. This entire page is a copy from Judy Collins, ASA Education Director and her essay ‘Delineating a Chart ‘, approximately dating from 2005.[24] Maxine needed a professional astrologer’s writings to help sell her very expensive computer-generated astrology readings.

Another page at the Joy of Satan that is a work of plagiarism, is the “Star_Magick.html” page, copied from professional astrologer Linda Goodman. She copied the list of star signs and their meanings in exact phrases from Linda Goodman’s personal website forum. The Forum is no longer on the internet but the information at Linda’s site had been available since 2002. There is no indication of the source of Maxine’s references from Linda Goodman, at the “Star_magick.html” page. copying the work of another author, and then claiming it as her own is identical to theft, especially since she sells this information in books at her webiste. [25]

Plagiarism of Frater UD, High Magic in Theory and Practice

Another page that Maxine created through plagiarism, is the “Magic_Mirror.Html” page. This page tells how to make and use a magic mirror. While some of this information can be found in general occult references, Maxine took almost direct word for word phrases from the Frater UD book. High Magic in Theory and Practice to create her page. She then added minimal instruction on how to use the the mirror for Demons. She gives no references to where she got this information from, so her website members are left to assume that ‘satan’ taught her these things. What really happened is that she copied it all from the Frater UD book. High Magic in Theory and Practice, published by Llewellyn. [26] What is interesting is that through the internet archive search, the ‘Magic Mirror’ page did not appear until 2007, while she has a copyright notice on this page dating from 2002! She lies about when her pages on the internet were created.

Plagiarism of DJ Conway

The plagiarist Joy of Satan page, “aura_colors.html” was taken almost word for word, in the same sequence from the book by DJ Conway, “A little book of Candle Magic” Each description of color was slightly changed with her ‘satanic’ information added. the entire section of this book describing candle colors was copied into her website, one after the other. The Little Book of Candle Magic is published by Crossing Press 2004. [27]

The Joy of Satan web page, titled “Incense for Ritual” was plagiarized liberally from DJ Conways’ book, Magick of the Gods and Goddesses, published by Llewellyn in 1997. Each listing of planetary incense on this page is almost identical to DJ Conway’s book. While some of this information in Conway’s book is common to the occult, Maxine copied his lists almost word for word and gave no references on her page as to where the information had come from. [28]

Archived References, now Removed

The brotherhood of the snake is a web page at the joy of Satan site. This page was inspired by several different authors. After a few years, the page was re-written, but the source notes were removed. These sources were, The Gods of Eden by William Bramley, The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life, and a 2001 illustration of the Book of the Dead. It is interesting to study the page that was created in 2005, that contained references, and compare it to the new page that now has no references and was carefully re-worded. essentially it is a work of plagiarism, similar to the other pages that have been described in this essay. The archived page shows the original authors that were copied, word for word. In the notes below this essay, is a link to the archived page as it has appeared in 2002.[29]

Theft of Ideas from Aaron Donahue

Maxine Dietrich of the Joy of Satan Ministries uses other authors’ ideas and then ridicules the original authors by saying that the knowledge came from ‘satan’. It is said by some former members of the Joy of Satan that the ritual for “Freeing the Demons” on the JOS site is an imitation of the ideas and works of Aaron Donahue. On her forum she denies these accusations that her ideas come from Donahue, while claiming to have invented the idea herself. Here is a quote from the Joy of Satan Yahoo Group:

“[Donahue]..is also a liar. He claimed to have freed the Goetic Demons, which he did not. He claimed to have freed Andras from the confines of a nine-foot circle “because he was so dangerous.” – Maxine Dietrich[30]

Maxine has failed to prove in any way that she was the originator of this concept, considering that Aaron Donahue and others have written about the concept before Maxine Dietrich had.

Zechariah Sitchin, others

Maxine also took some of her cosmology and eclectic beliefs from authors like the Jewish Scholar, Zechariah Sitchin. While Sitichin was a Jewish scholar she conveniently avoids this fact and claims that his writings show the truth of her brand of Satanism. She is very contradictory in preaching against Judaism, and then using the words of a Jewish scholar to promote her ideas. Also, Maxine makes available an illegal version of the Lost Book of Enki, scanned and transferred into a PDF. This copyrighted work is not in the public domain, and as a PDF file it is an illegal distribution of Sitchin’s writings. Essentially, it defrauds the writer and publisher from sales money when people like Maxine scan, distribute and make these copyrighted writings available for free.

Maxine also makes available PDF copies of other authors works. For example, at their Yahoo group, an illegal pdf scan of Mastering Witchcraft by Paul Huson is available. Also available is the an illegal sacan of Willam Bramley The Gods of Eden, The Necronomicon Spellbook Edited by Simon, illegal pdf scan of The 12th Planet by Zechariah Sitchin, Journeys out of the Body by Robert Monroe, and others whom she feels entitled to make free to the public despite the laws that prohibit the copying and distribution of copyrighted work.

Maxine also promotes ideas of neo-nazi beliefs from using material from books such as “the White Man’s Bible” by Ben Klassen. Maxine portrays herself as a prophet of Satan’s knowledge, claiming that all of her information comes from demons, like “Thoth; “Satan” and “Azazel”, when the real source of this information are various authors and internet sources. If Maxine really had experience in the occult, or with Satanism, she would not have to steal writings and ideas from other writers. [31]

Fact: Maxine is a Known Plagiarist.

Maxine’s underhanded behaviours have not gone unnoticed. Beginning in 2002, Maxine copied from writers, and had been caught several times by book publishers who made her remove the materials from her website. She had several incidents with authors and book publishers who made her remove information from the Joy Of Satan site. Maxine had compiled information from the author Valerie V. Hunt, and her book, “Mind Mastery Meditations” in order to fill in a page on her website called “Scalar Wave Meditations”. When Malibu Publishing discovered this, the meditations and materials plagiarized from that book were immediately removed. Despite this, the copied ‘Scalar Wave Meditation’ is still published by the Joy of Satan in their “Spiritual Warfare hand book”.

Maxine “borrowed” the majority of her information about chakras, auras and kundalini from the largest occult and pagan book publishers, Llewellyn. This material came from a book written by Douglas DeLong, titled “Ancient Teachings for Beginners”. The publishers were notified and Maxine heavily revised the material on her site, but still uses the same concepts and systems without giving any credit to Llewellyn or DeLong. The author threatened to sue Maxine, and she subsequently agreed to remove the information from the site. Instead, she let time pass, the pages at the joy of Satan were reworded, and the ideas of DeLong were not removed. When confronted about the change in information on her site by her own group members, she deceitfully told them that the corrected information came to her from Satan! [32]

Authors Delong and Valerie Hunt have made Maxine Dietrich a lot of money over the years. Maxine reads a passage in a book and then interprets it into her website, in a deceptive way, to make her web pages seem instructional and original, when they are nothing but re-written ideas of other authors, carefully reworded without refrerences. Many of her readers are attempting to do the exercises on her page. They would be better off reading the original books, rather than taking it from a secondary source like Maxine.

The kundalini section of her website was written into books and are being sold at the website for a profit, violating the copyright of Llewellyn, Malibu Publishing, Valerie Hunt, and Douglas DeLong. Both Hunt’s and Delong’s writings can be purchased at the Joy of Satan Site, carefully re-written in Maxine’s words, and hidden from internet searches inside PDF’s and books that she sells, despite the fact that she has been previously warned by both the authors, and the publishers, to stop plagiarizing these writings.

Copyrights and Ownership: The Joy Of Satan Site.

The majority of the web pages on the Joy Of Satan site have a copyright notice with a library of congress number. Maxine obviously does not want people to copy the writings on the Joy of Satan website. This notice is pasted on almost every page on the site:

“- Copyright 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, Joy Of Satan Ministries; Library of Congress Number: 12-16457 ” – Joy Of Satan site

Research at the Library of Congress shows that there is no reference found for the number’12-16457′, which is the same number that Maxine pasted on many pages of her site. The JOS website materials are not on record with the library of congress since 2002, or a record of this could easily be found through the search page at the LOC. Obviously, Maxine does not know much about the copyright law or the proper use of copyright notices. The extensive plagiarism on the Joy of Satan website proves that even if Maxine did want to apply for a real copyright, she would be denied, if not pursued legally, immediately, for numerous violations. [33]

In Fact, Archived Versions of this website that go back to 2002, show how the majority of her writings were taken from the Linda Goodman forum, as she had several pages of astrology information before the ‘Joy of Satan’ formed in 2005. This means that any copyrights that she tries to claim on her writings from 2002 are certainly false, and the ‘Joy of Satan’ web page, and writings, never existed prior to 2005. View the entire Archive

Donation Money, Funding of the NSFM:

Andrea [Maxine] owns a web site, called “The Black Sun” [31] where she writes web pages on Antisemitism and hate, and lectures on anti-Christianity. The racist and racial ideals of the Joy Of Satan were created after Maxine met a man named Clifford Herrington. Herrington is the former leader of the “National Socialist Movement” [NSM], an organization for Neo-Nazi activists. The majority of the members of the NSM are Christian, and Herrington got thrown out of the organization in July of 2006, when they discovered that he shared the same post office box as the Joy Of Satan. Clifford Herrington created a new group, the “National Socialist Freedom Movement” [NSFM]. [34]

The NSFM is a legal tax-paying organization. Both Maxine and her husband promote their twisted ideals to teenagers and others who are unwitting enough to send them money via donations on the web sites, and from book and cd sales. The compromised religious organization she runs shares its address with a neo-nazi organization, while both organizations are being used as a front to secure donation money. [35]

There is evidence from ex-Joy of Satan members that she uses the money from donations to pay her bills and to fund her own personal needs. Maxine also went on a luxurious vacation with the money that she raised from her websites. Here is a quote from the Joy of Satan Yahoo group where Maxine tells the members how she claimed to spend her vacation in Vegas, and trips to several different national cities while she stayed in 5-star hotels.[36]

“The past week and a half, Father Satan rewarded me with a most pleasant vacation to several different cities and national parks. I was indulged to an extreme. Part of my family invited me and we had an awesome time… I was able to get to only two internet cafes where I could get online, the last one in Las Vegas and it was crowded…”- Maxine Dietrich[37]

In 2005, some of the ex-members of the Joy of Satan left the group because they felt that Maxine was misappropriating funds by paying her bills and vacationing with the donation money. Her plagiarist writings paid for her housing, her bills and her vacations.

Conclusion:

This web page establishes the fact that Maxine Dietrich cannot claim copyright on the majority of the writings on her websites, because they are plagiarized writings.This page was created for educational purposes, to expose the source materials of this pseudo-satanic neo-nazi organization.

Overall, the Joy of Satan site seems promising to so many new seekers of occult and Satanism. it appeals to this audience because the ideas in the website were taken from professional authors. Maxine misleads people by making them think that she is knowledgeable about the occult, so that she can collect money for her neo-nazi organization. Not even one bit of effort was given to reveal the sources of her material. Its more convenient for her to hide this, so that the members of her group trust in her self-proclaimed authority. This accounts for the popularity of her website. People like the sources and techniques that she writes about, but they do not realize that the majority of it is cut and pasted from other authors. If the joy of satan techniques are so good, as some have claimed it to be, then maybe her readers would be better off reading the original source materials, instead.

Also, accounting for the popularity of the joy of Satan, is the fact that the website appeals to a certain demographic. The young, disaffected and uninformed. These types have no idea that they are being fed lies and mis-information and they take what the website owner writes on faith, instead of using their own minds to decide what is right for them. Why should they bother to research any of the sources used at this site when the site owner proclaims with authority that the original authors of these ideas and writings are ‘liars’, while she takes their words and uses them as her own? She uses a typical method of religious revisionism as she attempts to use all of these sources to create her version of history, despite the many historical facts that prove otherwise.

HS

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[DJ Conway, Magick of the Gods and Goddesses, Llewellyn, 1997]

29. [http://www.illuminati-news.com/brotherhood-of-the-snake.htm]      The Gods of Eden by William Bramley 1990 pages 53-54
The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life by Drunvalo Melchizedek Volume 2, pages 262-268
The Illustrated Egyptian Book of the Dead : a new translation with commentary by Ramses Seleem, 2001>
[ web archive version: http://tinyurl.com/brotherhoodSnake accessed 05.3.09 ]

30. [Joy_of_Satan@yahoogroups.com From: “High Priestess Maxine Dietrich” Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007
Subject: [Joy_of_Satan Re:’Belial on Earth in Human form’ message:100051, accessed 10.8.08]

31.[These allegations are documented by the former members of the Joy of Satan,
at the ‘SIJOS’ forum, accessed 10.1.08]http://z13.invisionfree.com/SIJOS/index.php?

32. ibid. see above; Also, the “Spritual Warfare Handbook” contains the plagairzed material from Douglas DeLong, and Valerie Hunt – and this publication is still available from the joy of Satan site in PDF form. [ http://www.geocities.com/enkicaimisis/home.html ] and [ http://www.geocities.com/enkicaimisis/Documents/SpiritualWarfareTrainingProgramforSatanists.zip ]

33. [Joy of Satan Copyright number, not found in the LOC search, accessed 10.7.08]
http://catalog.loc.gov/ Library of Congress Online Catalog Search
[ Library of Congress Number: 12-16457]

34.[The Black Sun, Joy of Satan Site, accessed 10.1.08] http://www.666blacksun.com/

35. [The history of the NSM, accessed 10.1.08]
http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_in_america_updates/groups/national
_socialist_movement/national+socialist+movement_update_10052006.htm

36.[Information about this can be found at the SIJOS forum, accessed 10.1.08]
http://z13.invisionfree.com/SIJOS/index.php?showtopic=109

37. Quote from the Joy_of_Satan Yahoo Group Message 76175 Mon Mar 20, 2006 Maxine Dietrich
[Some of the members of the yahoo group left when it was found out that money was being used for
Maxine’s own personal needs. “I am aware that the former clergy..leaving because HP
[Maxine was] using donations for paying her electricity and water bills..
[Joy_of_Satan Yahoo Group, ‘Angel’ <strykingrneyez@…>Sun May 22, 2005”, message 54661]

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Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:32 am

I decided to pick at random some of the many statements on the Joy of Satan website. I analyzed these statements and presented evidence contrary to what they teach. Keep in mind I did not try to debate their philosophical points, because we are all entitled to believe in whatever philosophy we choose. Here are some things to ponder before you become a Neo-Nazi Satanist (btw…thats so fucking edgy).

“Spiritual Satanism does not in any way conflict with science. We strongly encourage and support all scientific knowledge and enquiry.”

Yes it does. Several of the claims on the JoS website about the origin’s of life on earth and Etc. directly conflict with scientific knowledge as will be shown. Furthermore, science has nothing to say about the existence of “Satan.” Science does not say Satan is real or not real, therefore in regards to Satan, science does not conflict with nor support the belief therein. Thus, there is literally no reason to mention science in regards to a personal belief in Satan.

Satan is the Sumerian God known as “EA” or “ENKI.” He is a GOD, not an angel!
The Gods are an extra-terrestrial humanoid race of beings. In the Christian bible, they are referred to as the “Nephilim.” These beings are very evolved, highly advanced, and immensely knowledgable and powerful. They genetically modified their DNA, so they do not age.

If you want to believe that Ea is Enki is Satan, thats fine. We could debate the finer points, but I’ll let you have this one and just say “sure. why not.” I want you to consider instead the statement about the Nephilim being “Gods” who “genetically modified their DNA, so they do not age.” You’re free to believe in the ancient alien theory, but lets remember that they said “nothing about spiritual satanism conflicts with science.” So, does science say that the nephilim were gods (aliens) that came to the earth? Of course not. There is literally 0 evidence for anything like this except for ancient stories told by primitive man, and that is not evidence. So what does science say about the Nephilim? The Nephilim of Genesis were Neanderthals. Yup. Not as exciting as DNA mutating alien gods…but thats the reality of it. Check out this episode with archeologist Simcha Jacobovici. He explains and shows that the Nephilim in Genesis were ancient Neanderthals who, of course, did not mutate their DNA nor do they live forever. He shows all this using science rather than personal beliefs, unlike the JoS.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1237712 (im sure you can find the episode on YouTube or the Piratebay…doubt you’ll look though ;) ) Again, you’re free to think that there were ancient alien gods who mutated their own DNA so that they could live forever, and that the Bible called them the “Nephilim,” but if you do that you are lying when claiming “Spiritual Satanism does not in any way conflict with science.”

Many of us have seen him, we have witnessed the so-called supernatural, and we have been given abilities way beyond that of the average person.

The first error in this statement is claiming that they have witnessed the “supernatural.” Our world is a natural world. We are natural beings living within a very natural world. Supernatural means “beyond the natural.” If something supernatural occured in our natural world, we as natural beings would not even be aware of it…because the event would literally be beyond our natural senses – hence “beyond the natural.” So no. Neither they, nor anyone else, could experience something “supernatural.” The second mistake, of course, is claiming that they have been given abilities “way beyond that of the average person.” I assume these are “supernatural” abilities, right? No wait, I already showed that they couldn’t possibly have supernatural abilities…so maybe just psychic or “paranormal” abilities then? If this is the case, I challenge the JoS leading ministers to demonstrate their “above average” abilities. After all, science is about proving or disproving something, right? And you all love science so much. James Randi is offering 1 million $$$ to anyone who can demonstrate any type of paranormal or psychic ability. So why not take him up on his challenge? He will pay for your flight and hotel arrangements, costing you nothing out of pocket. Besides, with your crazy paranormal powers it will be the easiest million $$$ you will ever make, right? So why not? And please dont say “No. Thats not how it works. Its not about money.” Because then I’ll have to ask, “Then why do you have a store on your website?” Heres the link. Let us all know when you have set up a meeting with Mr. Randi. – http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

As opposed to hysterical Christian claims, Satanism is not in any way about blood sacrifice.

Except when you are dedicating yourself to Satan and sacrificing your life and soul to him, right? In English we call this a “contradiction.” In science I’m pretty sure this is called “bullshit.” See below.

When you are ready, you can light the candle. Take the needle,prick the index finger of your left hand, squeeze some blood out.
Satan dictated the Al Jilwah directly to Yezidi prophet Sheik Adi in the 12th century.

The Al Jilwah has a lot of good things to say in regards to Sinister Philosophy. But it was literally dictated by Satan himself? Are you sure? Check this out: “Then Adam ate of the grain and immediately his belly was inflated. But Melek Ts drove him out of the garden, and leaving him, ascended into heaven. Now Adam was troubled because his belly was inflated, for he had no outlet. God therefore sent a bird to him which pecked at his anus and made an outlet, and Adam was relieved.” So Satan is claiming that humans have an asshole because a bird pecked at his rear-end? And here I thought Satan was all-knowing? You’d think Satan would know about evolution. Oh but this is a metaphoric story, right? Then how do you know the rest of the book isn’t metaphoric, or even that “dictated by Satan” isn’t metaphoric? By the way…the bird pecking and creating the anus directly conflicts with science…so I caught you at that lie again:P

I was going to write this whole big lecture of why Nazism has nothing to do with Satanism, but I decided it wasn’t needed. So heres the claim I’ll make: Hitler was a Christian, and if you want to follow in his footsteps, then you should become a Christian. If you pranced around Nazi Germany claiming to be a Satanist you would have been gassed right along with the Jews. And now some quotes!

“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”

[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

“….the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil
assumes the living shape of the Jew.”

[Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 11, precisely echoing
Martin Luther’s teachings]

“Today Christians … stand at the head of [this country]… I pledge
that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy
Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian
spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in
literature, in the theater, and in the press – in short, we want to
burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole
life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past …
(few) years.”

[The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford
University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:41 am

I haven’t read this piece yet,but will after replying.

Why reply before reading you may ask?

The title,that’s why.

JOS is a Neo Nazi cult masquerading as a legitimate organisation.We do not support nor give the oxygen of publicity to them here on OF.org,if at all possible.
Our site policy has strict rules in regard to hate groups and their ideologies and we act on these,unequivocably and without exception.

I’m putting this here so all and any readers are made aware that this is so,even though having read our rules and that by agreeing to them on sign up,they should already be informed that we do not tolerate any kind of bigotry or hate speech/groups.

Post that shit,get kicked.Permanent.No exceptions.

I’ve written a lot of posts about this group here,as have other members.This tends to come up from time to time as folk who are starting out find information about them and come here to enquire further.

I’m quite glad they do this,actually, as we can help educate on why JOS is dangerous to those who are drawn to it in ignorance of it’s reality.

Having said all this,now I’m going to read before commenting any further.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:03 pm

Ah.

Keep in mind I did not try to debate their philosophical points, because we are all entitled to believe in whatever philosophy we choose.

You’ve said this at the start,then proceeded to do just what you claimed you would not.

Is this a debunk of JOS or a debunk of Spiritual Satansism as a whole,because most of it reads as the latter and not the former?

The fact that JOS is Neo Nazi is quite far down the page and it’s only given a small nod,yet in my mind and the mind of so many others who know of these arse holes or who have experience of them previously,it’s by far and away the most immediate point to consider in regard to debunking them as a Religious group.
This is an important consideration and distinction to make,particularly as a belief in Spiritual Satanism of and in itself is not in any way inherently or otherwise dangerous to any person and JOS is by far not the only group or site or individual which espouses [ in JOS’s case claims/pretends to espouse…] Spiritual ,Religious and/or Philosophical beliefs about or in regard to Satan.

You may or may not get responses to this post,but if you do and they are antagonistic towards what you’ve written it will most likely be because of your stance on the philosophical/religious views of Spiritual Satanism in general and not because of Neo Nazism within a Spiritual group. You have also broadly painted all Spirituality regarding Satanism into one small corner and labelled it according to JOS viewpoints on it,which is grossly innacurate and incredibly unfair.

Also,this part of your statement,quoted below, could apply equally to anybody holding any kind of what you’ve termed ‘supernatural’ beliefs and not just to Satanism/JOS.

I feel this bears pointing out,as while we value individuality and acknowledge a wide variety of beliefs and disbeliefs on the forum we do not recognise. endorse,validate or otherwise uphold any one belief set above the others as being more true or correct and that includes Atheistic mindsets too.

The first error in this statement is claiming that they have witnessed the “supernatural.” Our world is a natural world. We are natural beings living within a very natural world. Supernatural means “beyond the natural.” If something supernatural occured in our natural world, we as natural beings would not even be aware of it…because the event would literally be beyond our natural senses – hence “beyond the natural.” So no. Neither they, nor anyone else, could experience something “supernatural.” The second mistake, of course, is claiming that they have been given abilities “way beyond that of the average person.” I assume these are “supernatural” abilities, right? No wait, I already showed that they couldn’t possibly have supernatural abilities…so maybe just psychic or “paranormal” abilities then? If this is the case, I challenge the JoS leading ministers to demonstrate their “above average” abilities. After all, science is about proving or disproving something, right? And you all love science so much. James Randi is offering 1 million $$$ to anyone who can demonstrate any type of paranormal or psychic ability. So why not take him up on his challenge? He will pay for your flight and hotel arrangements, costing you nothing out of pocket. Besides, with your crazy paranormal powers it will be the easiest million $$$ you will ever make, right? So why not? And please dont say “No. Thats not how it works. Its not about money.” Because then I’ll have to ask, “Then why do you have a store on your website?” Heres the link. Let us all know when you have set up a meeting with Mr. Randi. – http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

Enki as Satan is also not the only form of deification of Satan,or expression of Satan as an individual entity,so this is also a broad stroke of inclusion,which does not apply to all Spiritual or indeed Theistic Satanism any more than JOS speaks for all Spiritual and/or Theistic Satanists.

Just saying.

And here’s a handy exposition on JOS Spiritual/Ritual practices,written from a dissenting, yet still Theistic Satanist’s viewpoint,for some balance. [Diane Vera is ex JOS clergy so the view is one which is perhaps particularly relevant here] :

http://theisticsatanism.com/Demons/JoS.html

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Rin » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:53 pm

The first error in this statement is claiming that they have witnessed the “supernatural.” Our world is a natural world. We are natural beings living within a very natural world. Supernatural means “beyond the natural.” If something supernatural occured in our natural world, we as natural beings would not even be aware of it…because the event would literally be beyond our natural senses – hence “beyond the natural.” So no. Neither they, nor anyone else, could experience something “supernatural.” The second mistake, of course, is claiming that they have been given abilities “way beyond that of the average person.” I assume these are “supernatural” abilities, right? No wait, I already showed that they couldn’t possibly have supernatural abilities…so maybe just psychic or “paranormal” abilities then? If this is the case, I challenge the JoS leading ministers to demonstrate their “above average” abilities. After all, science is about proving or disproving something, right? And you all love science so much. James Randi is offering 1 million $$$ to anyone who can demonstrate any type of paranormal or psychic ability. So why not take him up on his challenge? He will pay for your flight and hotel arrangements, costing you nothing out of pocket. Besides, with your crazy paranormal powers it will be the easiest million $$$ you will ever make, right? So why not? And please dont say “No. Thats not how it works. Its not about money.” Because then I’ll have to ask, “Then why do you have a store on your website?” Heres the link. Let us all know when you have set up a meeting with Mr. Randi. – http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

I’m certainly not a fan of JOS, but this whole ‘well if they have supernormal abilities, why haven’t they cashed in the randi challenge yet?’ argument is a silly one. Randi is a hack, and his challenge isn’t about scientific inquiry into what is and isn’t possible (especially given that he’s an entertainer, not a scientist) but about boosting his own reputation and income by latching onto the fame of well known “TV psychics” and similarly fraudulent entertainers. There are a lot of facts that stand as proof of this, not the least among them the fact that Randi will only accept participants who already have some measure of fame and has refused many unknowns, or that he requires them to sign a contract which not only allows him to set and change the requirements for ‘success,’ but allows him to explain or frame the events in any way he chooses with no legal recourse for the participant. I can’t be bothered with a more detailed write up of how meaningless Randi’s challenge is, but here’s one written by a blogger:

Related Post: Can You Win Randi’s Million Dollar Challenge?

To get on a blog and tell people you are psychic is to have skeptics immediately invite you to take magician James Randi’s million dollar challenge. Rather than reply to every comment of that sort that comes through, I’ve set up this page to deal with this subject. I will demonstrate here that there is no reason to take this challenge seriously. Oh, and by the way, James Randi is a climate change denier. (I think this says a lot about his frame of mind.)

First of all, the challenge is meaningless by scientific standards. It’s not a study and it can’t be replicated. It’s a one off. As it is entirely controlled by one person who has no scientific experience, is known to have strong views and has published no scientific peer reviewed papers on the subject, The challenge carries no scientific weight whatsoever.

Compare that to the Parapsychological Association, which is a member of the The American Association for the Advancement of Science and regularly publishes peer reviewed studies. Here is what real evidence looks like.

By far the most damning evidence that this challenge is a mere publicity stunt is that Randi does not take all comers.

He has explicitly refused to test homeopath John Benneth (who has issued a $100,000 challenge to any person who can demonstrate, under conditions similar to James “the Amazing” Randi’s Psychic Challenge, that the Psychic Challenge is a valid offer for proof of psychic powers.), Professor George Vithoulkas’s homeopathy experiments similarly never got tested and backed down from a challenge issued by Dr. Jule Eisenbud, who wagered $100K that Randi could not duplicate the “thought photography” of Ted Serios, even with the aid of a prop in which a gimmick could be housed. Randi has ignored challenges to the test such as English psychic Chris Robinson. Dick Bierman, PhD proposed a presentiment test to Randi which Randi simply never followed up on. This brings up a legitimate question: who else is he ignoring?

By doing this, the main claim of the challenge, -that no one can pass it and therefore psychic ability does not exist- is voided and any tenuous claims to being scientific are invalidated.

Skeptics seem to think that this challenge means something; that if psychic ability were real, someone would pass the test. This assumption rests on the belief that this challenge is reasonable and fairly administered. But where is the proof of this? Science demands openness. A parapsychological study run like Randi’s challenge would never get out of the gate.

John Benneth, (homeopath) points out that the challenge is not an actual contract, lacks third party mediation and in his words:

Randi has expressly told me that he will not deal with attorneys. As an instrument, its unilateral. Like a fiat from the King, or a papal bull. It gives the applicant no recourse in case Randi harms him; in fact, the applicant has to forego any rights of recompense if Randi harms him.
But the biggest thing is that Randi’s signature has never appeared underneath it. It’s a hoax. It was conceived of by an entertainer, a man who has made a career deceiving and tricking people, a particularly nasty little man who has a grudge to bear against the world, revealed in the animosity routinely shown towards applicants.
How is it that one can expect to have an AGREEMENT with someone who is calling you derogatory names, ridiculing and CHALLENGING you?

He has a point actually. The Daily Grail points out that Rules #4 (allowing Randi to use the data from the experiment in any way he chooses and #8 (denying the applicant legal recourse), when combined allow Randi the option to lie about the results and get away with it.

John Benneth went back and forth in 70 e-mails with Randi. The Vithoulkas experiment process dragged on for two two years, the Zibarov process dragged on for two years, Carina Landin, went through a 3 year process. Only one of these actually came to down to an actual test and that one was botched.

For that matter, how many people have actually gone down to Florida to take the challenge? Randi’s website is decidedly vague on this point. Why is this information missing?

After doing a bit of research on the JREF site, I found out some interesting things. First, many applicants have no clue how to put their abilities up to a scientific test. Once they start in on the process, many drop out. The fact is, performing a psychic ability for a scientific test is much harder than it first appears. They also find out an extra requirement not stated up front: There is a time limit for the preliminary challenge: eight hours.

This time limit is quite a barrier to success. It prevents people from building up statistical significance through sheer repetition, which is how it’s done in every scientific study. Most parapsychological studies do not test for more than a couple of hours at a time, having found that psychic ability wanes quickly as mental exhaustion sets in. There is no reason for the time limit since the applicant is paying all expenses. In fact, in the case that I studied, the number of repetitions was limited. What this means is that psychic ability is not being tested. Extraordinary psychic ability is being tested. This distinction is important. You cannot make claims about psychic ability if you’re testing for something else.

In the case of Pavel Ziborov he had gotten all the way through the process, having agreed to 100 repetitions within the eight hour time limit only to have Randi come back and limit his challenge to 20 repetitions, thereby violating his own protocol and ensuring that nothing less than near total perfection could pass the challenge. No explanation was given for this change which Mr. Ziborov wisely refused. On the JREF site it is simply noted that the challenger had refused to accept the protocol. In other words, Mr. Ziborov’s attempt was cast in the worst possible light. (Mr. Ziborov has posted his response to JREF in the comments below.)

Randi has also claimed that once the parameters are set, neither he nor anyone else can change them, yet it was done here. How is that? Simple. Randi NEVER accepted the application. Mr. Ziborov was going back and forth with JREF for almost two years and in that time he was never formally declared an applicant. It appears that this a loophole in the process that has been exploited to prevent legal challenges to his methods. If nothing is signed, there is no contract and the person applying has no legal means to force a reasonable challenge. It appears that when James Randi talks about the fairness of the challenge, he is referring to accepted applicants, who can only achieve this status by agreeing to absolutely everything Randi demands whether it is reasonable or not.

When I went through the forum postings for the Ziborov challenge, I noted that he was referred to as a “woo.” This is an abbreviation of woo woo. In other words, the challenger was being insulted. Throughout the discussion, other posters on the forum make it clear that they do not believe that he has this talent; effectively saying that he is either a liar, con artist or deluded. These are the people responsible for setting up the challenge and possibly administering it. The bias is clearly strong.

This is extremely important because another undocumented “feature” of the challenge is that the applicant may not bring anyone in either for moral support or to assist or monitor the challenge. There is no way to prevent JREF errors or mischief during the testing. Because the people administering the test are JREF volunteers and are self selected for being strongly skeptical of psi, (they are volunteering their time to a skeptical organization after all,) the chance of errors due to cognitive dissonance and inexperience are actually quite high and there is nothing to prevent them from either covering up any mistakes or simply not catch them at all. JREF is under no obligation to publish a full account of the test nor make good on any JREF errors in the event they occur and are discovered.

There is also the fact that an extremely important bit of information that is lacking. You cannot find it in the FAQ, nor on the application, nor does Mr. Randi talk about it. There is no way that withholding of this information is anything but deliberate. The way this challenge is currently set up, it is in my opinion, a trap designed to disgrace and humiliate the people who take up the challenge.

To easily understand this, let us take the analogy of Mr. Smith’s jumping challenge. Mr. Smith does not believe that the ability to jump actually exists and he has a million dollar challenge to anyone who can prove to him that jumping exists under laboratory conditions. You have to apply for the challenge and bear all travel expenses to Mr. Smith’s facilities. You can help design the experiment and everything will be measured with complete accuracy.

So what’s wrong? If you can jump you should take the challenge right? By now, you should notice what’s missing. There is nothing in the previous statement about how high you have to jump. Wouldn’t you want to know this before you applied for the challenge? Because if the height you have to jump is unreasonable, there is certainly no point in applying. Misdirection has been applied here by confusing the requirements with the testing procedures.

But how can you do this with psi? If someone makes a claim, all they have to do is live up to it right? The answer is that parapsychology is a science that relies on statistics. It is well known that psychic ability is not automatic. People get some answers right and some wrong and statistics must be used to determine if this occurred due to chance or not.

All statistical measurements of psi ability can therefore be expressed as odds against chance. All you have to do is set up a test where the exact odds for chance are known. (i.e. picking the correct picture out of a set of four yields a 25% chance outcome with odds against chance for one trial at 1 in 4.) Certainly JREF would never allow a test where this sort of computation couldn’t be done, nor should they. Statistical certainty is essential for determining success.

So if James Randi wanted to tell people what his requirements were, all he would have to do is tell them what odds against chance he would accept for someone to claim the million dollar prize. He could use words like “approximately” to indicate that there was some flexibility. There is nothing vague or complicated about this, yet this is not mentioned at all even though the challenge application and FAQ were recently re-written to address a number of valid complaints.

Why does he leave out this crucial bit of information? Because it allows Randi to work behind the scenes to make the challenge as difficult as possible. It is well known within scientific circles that the odds against chance that James Randi will accept are 1,000 to 1 for the preliminary challenge and 1,000,000 to 1 for the main challenge. The odds for the main challenge are the equivalent of asking a person to stand under a 20′ high wall and jump over it. And if their foot brushes the top? That’s a failure; too bad, so sad, get lost.

You can’t find this out of course until after you’ve applied. While psychics can, conceivably overcome odds of a thousand to one, it’s extremely doubtful that they can do this under both the pressure of performing, in the presence of extreme skeptics, within eight hours and having their number of trials arbitrarily limited. It is a worse case scenario for demonstrating psychic ability. Beating 1,000,000 to one odds is completely out of the question. Bear in mind that should a psychic show a sudden flash of great ability, they may be asked to repeat it, further worsening the odds. Randi makes no attempt to explain these details, he only paints the applicants in the worst possible light.

Until as recently as the end of 2007, applicants were required to give up all publicity and media rights as a requirement for applying. So not only were they screwed, they were not allowed to talk about it. This is kind of like the sideshow at the carnival where people are promised that they will see something wonderful, but when shown the empty box are advised not to tell anyone else lest they be the only fool. Until very recently, he did not even show the list of applicants. At every step of the way he appears to be seeking to withhold information about the difficulty of the challenge.

This is one more way in which the scientific validity of the challenge is nil. Proving that people cannot jump over a 20ft wall does not prove anything about jumping except that people cannot jump that high. It makes no statement about any ability under that threshold. If a person can only jump six inches, that is still jumping. The same applies to psychic ability.

It is possible for scientists to achieve 1,000,000 to 1 odds, this has been done many times, but only through a great number of repetitions, which is how this sort of science is normally done. Taking time away from the real science to travel to Florida in order to perform in front of die hard skeptics isn’t really high on their priority list. The expense of such an endeavor would likely use up a large chunk of the prize money so as to make the challenge unappealing. Psychic ability has already been proven, so it’s only about shutting Randi up.

But the expense and obstacles of the challenge do not make it an attractive proposition. A scientist would have to front all of the money for the challenge and stands a chance of running out before they get to their goal. They would likely have to do this in the face of Mr. Randi doing everything in his power to prevent their success, since that would mean the end of whatever fame he possesses from the challenge and his skepticism. This would undoubtedly add to their expense. Of course it’s all moot since he ignores them anyway.

In conclusion, there is no reason to take this challenge seriously. It’s not science. The illusion of the Great Test is only maintained through selectively culling applicants, making the process opaque and rigging the odds. Its only possible purpose can be to harass and humiliate people who do not share Mr. Randi’s beliefs.

I’ll leave you with a comment one of Randi’s own volunteers made on a thread discussing an applicant who had been denied (here #468):

I realize that there is almost no interest in holding Randi and the MDC to the standards that they claim for themselves. I’ve always been in a ridiculed minority when I make these suggestions. It is clear that the Challenge is not about allowing people to demonstrate their claims, but rather about providing examples for our ridicule – partly for education, partly for group-bonding (my guesses). I am in the process of moving on from the idea of trying to persuade anyone to care to that of trying to get the JREF and Randi to be more upfront about this instead, in order to thwart criticism. I fully realize that this will be a futile effort as well. I also continue to tell people to quit smoking. (…)

http://weilerpsiblog.wordpress.com/rand … challenge/

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:30 pm

Randi is a hack, and his challenge isn’t about scientific inquiry into what is and isn’t possible (especially given that he’s an entertainer, not a scientist)

You know there are other challenges like Randi’s all over the world right? They can’t all be biased and “UN-winnable” –http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:42 pm

Nahemah wrote:Ah.

You’ve said this at the start,then proceeded to do just what you claimed you would not.

I questioned the teachings of the JoS that related to science and rationality. I didn’t say that, for instance, “oh satan isnt real! i dont agree with your spiritual views so hahaha youre wrong!”

Is this a debunk of JOS or a debunk of Spiritual Satansism as a whole,because most of it reads as the latter and not the former?

I addressed spiritual satanism as it is taught by the JoS. Everything quoted about spiritual satanism was quoted from the JoS, not diane vera or anyone else.

The fact that JOS is Neo Nazi is quite far down the page and it’s only given a small nod,yet in my mind and the mind of so many others who know of these arse holes or who have experience of them previously,it’s by far and away the most immediate point to consider in regard to debunking them as a Religious group.
This is an important consideration and distinction to make,particularly as a belief in Spiritual Satanism of and in itself is not in any way inherently or otherwise dangerous to any person and JOS is by far not the only group or site or individual which espouses [ in JOS’s case claims/pretends to espouse…] Spiritual ,Religious and/or Philosophical beliefs about or in regard to Satan.

I know. I figured everyone knew they were neo-nazis so kicking a dead horse would be kicking a dead horse. If people agree with the JoS after knowing they are neo-nazis, then the best thing to do is make them re-consider their teachings that are not directly related to neo-nazism.

You may or may not get responses to this post,but if you do and they are antagonistic towards what you’ve written it will most likely be because of your stance on the philosophical/religious views of Spiritual Satanism in general and not because of Neo Nazism within a Spiritual group. You have also broadly painted all Spirituality regarding Satanism into one small corner and labelled it according to JOS viewpoints on it,which is grossly innacurate and incredibly unfair.

My post was about the JoS, therefore I addressed the JoS. I didnt make any mention of any other teachers or styles of spiritual satanism. I dont think that I even used the phrase “spiritual satanism” once in my entire post.

Also,this part of your statement,quoted below, could apply equally to anybody holding any kind of what you’ve termed ‘supernatural’ beliefs and not just to Satanism/JOS.

You’re right. If you were claiming to have been given “supernatural powers that the average person does not have” by aliens…then I’d ask you to prove it too :P

I feel this bears pointing out,as while we value individuality and acknowledge a wide variety of beliefs and disbeliefs on the forum we do not recognise. endorse,validate or otherwise uphold any one belief set above the others as being more true or correct and that includes Atheistic mindsets too.[/quote
Atheism is the lack of a belief in a god. Atheism does not have a stance regarding the supernatural. I dont think asking for proof of a claim someone makes is an “Atheistic mindset.” If i went around saying, “Im jesus christ and aliens give me super-powers so come follow me and join my cult!” I would hope you’d ask for proof of my supernatural claims before getting baptized by me.

Enki as Satan is also not the only form of deification of Satan,or expression of Satan as an individual entity,so this is also a broad stroke of inclusion,which does not apply to all Spiritual or indeed Theistic Satanism any more than JOS speaks for all Spiritual and/or Theistic Satanists.

The JoS believe that Enki is Ea who is Satan. I didn’t debate that or say it was wrong. The statement did not relate to science or rationality – it is a matter of philosophical belief, and I left it alone like I said I would.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Rin » Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:49 am

AIN666 wrote:

Randi is a hack, and his challenge isn’t about scientific inquiry into what is and isn’t possible (especially given that he’s an entertainer, not a scientist)

You know there are other challenges like Randi’s all over the world right? They can’t all be biased and “UN-winnable” –http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal

And on the flip side there’s extensive, albeit frequently ignored, scientific evidence for paranormal abilities.

http://noetic.org/research/psi-research/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew
http://www.amazon.com/The-Conscious-Uni … 0061778990

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:36 am

And on the flip side there’s extensive, albeit frequently ignored, scientific evidence for paranormal abilities.

http://noetic.org/research/psi-research/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew
http://www.amazon.com/The-Conscious-Uni … 0061778990

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Well said. I agree fully and subscribe to the idea of the paranormal. The difference between you, I, and the JoS is that we aren’t claiming to have supernatural powers given to us by aliens as proof of the correctness of our teachings. If someone were to say, “I can move objects with my mind, therefore, you should believe everything I say” I would hope you’d want proof before you blindly believe everything they say and just take their word on it xD

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Rin » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:28 am

AIN666 wrote:

And on the flip side there’s extensive, albeit frequently ignored, scientific evidence for paranormal abilities.

http://noetic.org/research/psi-research/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew
http://www.amazon.com/The-Conscious-Uni … 0061778990

Well said. I agree fully and subscribe to the idea of the paranormal. The difference between you, I, and the JoS is that we aren’t claiming to have supernatural powers given to us by aliens as proof of the correctness of our teachings. If someone were to say, “I can move objects with my mind, therefore, you should believe everything I say” I would hope you’d want proof before you blindly believe everything they say and just take their word on it xD

Yeah I agree with you there, even if they do have these abilities (and I’m rather skeptical on that count), to paraphrase a Yogi who’s name I can’t remember, someone using paranormal abilities isn’t proof of anything except that they possess paranormal abilities. It doesn’t inherently make their philosophy or worldview any more valid.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:33 pm

Before I say anything else,I ‘m sorry for the forthcoming dickishness,but here it is anyway:

AIN,you missed the point I was making about JOS masquerading as a Spiritual organisation,the masquerading part is very important and it relates to why I posted Ms,Vera’s account of JOS bad practice regarding evocation,summoning and pacting.

The spiritual stuff is a ruse to suck folk in,just like the other religiosities employed by various Neo Nazi groups in engaging with and encouraging dissafected folk into their groups and into their mindsets.

If you’d addressed that more instead of attempting to debunk them using bad science and poor etymology for that matter also, to disenfranchise their bad attempt at spirituality, you’d be on much surer ground.

The only other species of humans hinted at in the Bible are the infamous Nephilim (Gen. 6:4, Num 13:32-33), a race of giants “as tall as cedar trees” (Amos 2:9) who were the offspring of the ever-mysterious “sons of God.” The Bible says that, to the Nephilim, the early Jews looked as small as grasshoppers (and were just as tasty).

Some people try to link the Nephilim to the Neanderthals, but the Neanderthals were no giants, averaging just over 5′ tall. So unless the early Jews were elves, this doesn’t compute.

http://500questions.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/23-why-doesnt-the-bible-mention-neanderthals/

The above page is tongue in cheek,but it does cover several of the flaws in the Nephilim/Neanderthal hypothesis you posted about.I can bring the hard genetic science,but I’ll do it later,if I must as I now have to watch the episode you posted about,even though I will not recover the time I feel I’m about to waste doing so.

On the etymology: Super does not mean beyond,from it’s original Latin it means over or above and the term was originally posited as a means of describing Godly or Divine interaction with the mortal world.

supernatural (adj.) Look up supernatural at Dictionary.com
early 15c. “above nature, transcending nature, belonging to a higher realm,” from Medieval Latin supernaturalis “above or beyond nature,” from Latin super “above” (see super-) + natura “nature” (see nature). Originally with more of a religious sense, “of or given by God, divine; heavenly;” association with ghosts, etc., has predominated since c.1799.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=supernatural&searchmode=none

And natural was originally coined to describe inborn or inherent human traits:

natural (adj.) Look up natural at Dictionary.com
c.1300, naturel, “of one’s inborn character; hereditary, by birth;” early 14c. as “of the world of nature (especially as opposed to man),” from Old French naturel “of nature, conforming to nature; by birth,” and directly from Latin naturalis “by birth, according to nature,” from natura “nature” (see nature).From late 15c. as “not miraculous, in conformity with nature.” Meaning “easy, free from affectation” is attested from c.1600. Of things, “not artificially created,” c.1600. As a euphemism for “illegitimate, bastard” (of children), it is first recorded c.1400, on notion of blood kinship (but not legal status).Natural science is from late 14c.; natural law is from early 15c. Natural order “apparent order in nature” is from 1690s. Natural childbirth first attested 1933. Natural life, usually in reference to the duration of life, is from late 15c. Natural history is from 1560s (see history). To die of natural causes is from 1570s.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=natural

Another flaw in the natural argument is that we live surrounded by technology and inventions which can easily be defined as unnatural or ‘super’ natural,if using your own narrow definiton.

I didn’t really want to post more here,but using flawed rationality to disprove flawed rationality dosen’t work and if anything it makes it easier for those who support such heinous views as those held by JOS to counter argue in their own favour and I’d rather not give them that edge.

End of dickishness,for now.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:58 pm

I enjoy your insights :) ❤ And respect your opinions.

Some people try to link the Nephilim to the Neanderthals, but the Neanderthals were no giants, averaging just over 5′ tall. So unless the early Jews were elves, this doesn’t compute.

My reference includes a world-famous archeologist. Your’s…a guy on the internet with a free wordpress site. ❤

1000s of years ago, people were not as tall as they are now. Goliath is called a “giant”…his name is synonymous with very tall people. And in his time, he likely was a “giant.” But he was only about 6’2”. In our time, that isnt exactly gigantic, right? http://www.examiner.com/article/david-a … as-goliath The video I gave shows that the Neanderthals were the “nephilim” of genesis.

On the etymology: Super does not mean beyond,from it’s original Latin it means over or above and the term was originally posited as a means of describing Godly or Divine interaction with the mortal world.

O.o Super – above/beyond. Yes. However, “natural” in the context of “supernatural” is not “natural” in the context of a human beings “born with abilities.” Natural means the processes and laws of nature, in the term “supernatural.” So yeah…not sure what your argument is for my questioning of their claim to “supernatural” abilities. Here is the word actually defined. Especially note #3…which backs up my claim of “if something supernatural occurred, we are natural beings wouldnt even be aware of it.”
Adjective

supernatural (comparative more supernatural, superlative most supernatural)

1. Above nature; that which is beyond or added to nature, often so considered because it is given by a deity or some force beyond that which humans are born with. In Roman Catholic theology, sanctifying grace is considered to be a supernatural addition to human nature.
2. Not of the usual; not natural; altered by forces that are not understood fully if at all.
3. Neither visible nor measurable.

End of dickishness,for now.

Im not here to argue with spiritual satanists who took my post about the JoS personally. I didnt post this to make you feel as though you had to defend your beliefs. I didnt mention any type of Satanism outside of the JoS. If you arent a JoS member im not sure why you would take it to heart. I can clearly argue my points over and over if we must, but it seems as annoying a spam. Care to agree to disagree? [rolleyes]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Asurendra » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:46 am

I am not entering into this doctrinal disputation, I only want to make a point about the identification of the Biblical Nephilim with Neanderthals. If you accept the Biblical narrative the problem with this claim is that it makes man older than the Neanderthal. Modern humans began roughly 200,000 years ago while the first Neanderthals were 600,000. These dates are the current consensus.

About the size of these Nephilim: I went and took my Greek Septuagint and my Latin Vulgate from the shelf and blew the dust off then looked at Genesis 6:4. The same work ‘gigantes’ is used and this means the same as our word in English. The Bible itself makes it clear that these giants were not suppose to be just a foot taller than man. The proof of that is Og of Bashan (whom the Jewish Midrash says was the last of the Nephilim). The text gives the measurements of his bed in Deut. 3:11 as roughly 13 foot. Further, when the spies first entered Canaan they claimed the giants were still and they felt “like grasshoppers” in comparison (Num. 13:1-14). I would point out that the spies were lying and were punished for it, but, the point is that they were using the accepted belief of the Hebrews regarding what a giant is, being much more than just a foot taller.

Nahemah’s points on this matter are fully supported by the Biblical text. The size of Goliath is not relevant because he was not one of the Nephilim in either the text itself or, so far as I am aware, in Jewish tradition (for what that’s worth).

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:47 pm

In Layman’s terms,a very reader friendly guide [grin] :

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals

In not so Layman friendly terms:

http://www.genetics.org/content/156/2/799.full

http://www.pnas.org/content/96/13/7117.long

Please read these and ask questions later,if you wish to. [thumbup]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Asurendra » Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:35 am

While I don’t believe it, a far better Biblical-based argument for the place of the Neanderthal in the scriptures would be drawn from the exile of Cain in Genesis chapter four.

Since AIN666 likes Latin, I’ll quote the Vulgate:

In 4:14 after he is told to get out, Cain tells Yahweh “omnis igitur qui invenerit me occidet me” (all those who find me will kill me) leading to the famous question: ‘I thought only 4, now 3 people existed! Who are these people?’ There must have been a lot of these mystery people because, 4:16 “habitavit in terra profugus ad orientalem” (he lived in a land to the east -after leaving) and then 4:17 “aedificavit civitatem” (he built a city). In the Hebrew text the word for city is ‘Iyr,’ which is a settlement much larger than a ‘kfar,’ or town and which has walls. So it clearly implies there were many of these non-adamic people.

The Jewish Midrash says Cain & Able had sisters and these people come from them but that is rather unsatisfying in both time and number.

In reality, it is just a contradiction between different narratives and a flaw, but the dogmatically oriented can have fun with it and argue he interbred with the Neanderthals, who were already there and older (conforming to current belief) while the first homo sapiens were a special creation.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby thestudyingalchemist » Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:50 pm

Well there’s something I never understood…
How can a satanist be a neo-nazi?!?
I mean nazism is completely fascist, homophobe, sexist, racist and do not respect any indivual choice of anyone and just take control over people….
But satanism is exactly at the opposite of this so please can someone explain how it is possible??? I never believed that it was possible and I know that JoS are using some concepts and symbols using by the nazi (well not a lot anyway) but does it mean that they are neo-nazi because I mean the ideology is incompatible….

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:08 pm

Political and Religous Ideologies cross over all the time and the two are not mutually exclusive of each other by any means.

It is quite possible to be Satanist and Neo-Nazi,just as it is to be Christian and Neo-Nazi or Asatru and Neo-Nazi,for that matter also.

It is also possible to hold other religious beliefs that are compatible with Nazi ideology too.

Racism,bigotry,homophobia,misogyny and social elitism are,unfortunately,present in all walks of life and humanity.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby thestudyingalchemist » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:42 pm

Nahemah wrote:Political and Religous Ideologies cross over all the time and the two are not mutually exclusive of each other by any means.

It is quite possible to be Satanist and Neo-Nazi,just as it is to be Christian and Neo-Nazi or Asatru and Neo-Nazi,for that matter also.

It is also possible to hold other religious beliefs that are compatible with Nazi ideology too.

Racism,bigotry,homophobia,misogyny and social elitism are,unfortunately,present in all walks of life and humanity.

Yeah I understand that but it is just so different that if a satanist claim himself being a neo-nazi he’s not a satanist anymore, I mean there can be common points you can had but not to combine nazism with satanism it’s just not satanism anymore…

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Asurendra » Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:18 am

Ain666 seems to have left the Forum, otherwise I am sure he would be happy to engage you in long and intricate doctrinal analysis akin to the Pharisaical disputations between the Calvinist and Arminian sects over such matters as Predestination.
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:14 pm

Nahemah, I totally applaud what your stance on the JOKE of Satan website, and I personally will rather go to the proper sources instead of visiting that Neo Nazi site run by someone who is Half Native American!!! [zomg] [zomg] [zomg]
The final straw was there views on Hell and the Afterlife where that idiotwoman claims to of met a VIP spirit who was well protected by Father Satan (LOL), and there is no prizes in guessing who he is! He was none other than Heinreich HImmler who is one of her idols LOL. Full of lies and garbage is what that bitch is about but what really needs to be done is having her face exposed to all and sundry.
I feel the Laveyan approach is needed with this Neo Nazi cult, we need to avoid mentioning them because if we do we just give them astral power. And another thing, THE ANGELS are more powerful than any ‘father’ satan who must be just a demon cos the Real Satan will not waste time with her.
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:59 pm

Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Maxine got attacked by her lovely NeoNazis cos this is the only way she will learn the REAL TRUTH. By the way I do not endorse violence of any kind but she is someone who deserves it and I know some people know exactly who she is and they will expose her ugly face to everyone, so that we can see the most strangest Neo Nazi there is. Another thing, those medidations do more harm than good and please go the the proper sources instead and read up on the Diana Vera webpage. Oh I wish more info was on there, and I support her more than the old Nazi Hag. Maybe she must of been in Germany in her previous life and she is hankering for that life, but just for the record the real Satan will not waste time with her, he would rather spend time with Lady Gaga or President Obama instead [zomg]
A good link to readhttp://web.archive.org/web/201001132018 … edietrich/
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby thestudyingalchemist » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:38 am

Honestly it really freaks me out that a neo-nazi group claim themselves satanist… No but seriously isn’t there enough stereotypes about satanism?! I still don’t understand how can a neonazi group claim themselves satanist it seems just so contradictive I mean. But anyway I’m very surprise that they are caus just by looking at their main pages it doesn’t seem that they are nazis (but surelly antisémitic)… But I guess that thats how they slowly manipulate people. Before this post the only thing that really made me doubt about them was first that they are very neutral when talking about nazism, example in one of their text about “the origin of satanism”, I mean they usualy accused the religions about stolling elements but about nazis they just said in this case “the most known example is the nazi germanic sigil” or something like that. Of course they were other examples like their symbologies explaination with the nazi “skull and bones” and the “black sun” wich is also an element from the nazi occultism. It really disapoint me anyway…

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:58 pm

I am going to confess to something here, I actually go to the JoS website for ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES only, and that woman is making me laugh a lot. Another thing I will say is that I feel kind of sorry for her in some ways but honestly she needs to have her photo etc shown to all and sundry on the Internet LOL.
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:45 pm

Here is one link to show all and sundry what the JoS stands for, and there are some people in FB who knows exactly what she looks like etc and will show all and sundry her photograph and detail on the net. A neo nazi who is of mixed race like Maxine make me laugh a lot! but reading more about what the JoS is making me avoid that site for good. I do not give a shit if she is ‘knowledgable’ etc, all she is to me is Nazi scum and what is disturbing is that she is mind controlling teens and youngsters into her way of thinking. [mad]

This is what the JoS endorses

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/holo.html

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:41 am

Something else for you all to look into, and this is what the Joke of Satan claims never existed because they are just bastards acting all tough behind a computer monitor. I will go to other websites for my entertainment and in some ways the JoS website is on par with those filthy Conspricarcy sites which tend to attract many Neo Nazis, etc.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso … ictoc.html

Look at this website and then ask yourself where the Holocaust happened or not, but I have heard that this ‘woman’ has a lot of youngsters being made into High Priests etc because they are easy to mind control. I would rather go to Diana Vera or Caroline Bright’s website instead, because the energies are better and as for Maxine, her days of acting the big ‘I am’ is finished. BITCH!!! I would pay good money for her to say all these things on a TV show in front of an audience which incld jews, blacks, and other PROPER Occultists but she will not cos she is just a hasbeen with an internet connection. Oh and another thing, Himmler would put her first in the queue for the gas chambers cos she is not totally white. A disgrace to the Native Americans is she. [mad]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:14 am

Asurendra wrote:Ain666 seems to have left the Forum, otherwise I am sure he would be happy to engage you in long and intricate doctrinal analysis akin to the Pharisaical disputations between the Calvinist and Arminian sects over such matters as Predestination.

*Armenian

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Asurendra » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:20 am

Armenian?

Wrong, please note:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arminianism

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:36 am

Asurendra wrote:Armenian?

Wrong, please note:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arminianism

“Arminianism is based on the theological ideas of the previously Dutch Reformed theologian Jacobus Arminius (1560–1609) and his historic supporters known as the Remonstrants. His teachings, however, departed from the Sovereign Grace teaching of the Reformers and as such he cannot be regarded as Reformed. Jacobus Arminius (Jacobus Hermanszoon) was a student of Beza (successor of Calvin) at the Theological University of Geneva. It is known as a soteriological sect of Protestant Christianity.[1] Dutch Arminianism was originally articulated in the Remonstrance (1610), a theological statement signed by 45 ministers and submitted to the States-General of the Netherlands. The Synod of Dort (1618–19) was called by the States General to consider the Five Articles of Remonstrance. They asserted that:

election (and condemnation on the day of judgment) was conditioned by the rational faith or nonfaith of man;
the Atonement, while qualitatively adequate for all men, is efficacious only for the man of faith;
unaided by the Holy Spirit, no person is able to respond to God’s will;
grace is resistible; and
believers are able to resist sin but are not beyond the possibility of falling from grace.”

Stop following the thread when jimmies started getting rustled, so I’m not sure what that has to do with the “hurr durr I love Hitler and Satan” of JoS, unless the thread has turned into something else [thumbup]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:10 pm

Ain, I understand where you are coming from and believe it or not, I too was once an avid reader of the site before I found out that the Old Hag was married to the Ex Leader of the NSM Clifford Herrington. Just a few days ago I found out that visiting that site (some blogs do this!) will put extra coins in the pockets of those bastards and those donations pay for their bills, groceries, and also the NeoNazi cause. I do not fund fascists, and I do not give a damn who knowledgable they claim they are in matters of Medidation, Demon Evocation, and so on.
Maxine Dietrich may have the aura that she is well written but remember all those articles on her website are copy/paste jobs from Llewllyn books, bemyastrologer.com, Franz Bardon, etc and please under no circumstances do those medidations because they are more harmful than good.
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Debunking the Joy of Satan: An Alternative Perspective

Postby mmlozza » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:32 am

I know this thread dried out a while ago but I have some views I’d like to add….

I’ve been trying to find my own path for a while now, and a lot of the stuff regarding Spiritual Satanism on this site makes sense to me. I’ve looked into stuff by Anton La Vey and Don Webb, and most things Left Hand Path-related. Everyone has their own individual take on the type of deities they are worshipping. I dedicated my soul to Satan the other day, but I didn’t use candles and I didn’t sign my name in blood, precisely for the reason given on the site that said blood sacrifices aren’t needed. A lot of the information is contradictory given the evidence that others have presented, but how many of us have the answers to everything? If everyone’s truth is subjective, they can only present it as they have found it: when they reach a certain point of initiation they then, as most organisations seem to advocate, try to pass their teachings onto others to “spread the word” and “enlighten people”. In my opinion, what matters is what you take from the collection of knowledge that’s out there and how it makes you feel. People can postulate about death, reincarnation and rebirth and all that stuff til they’re blue in the face, but it’s an individual experience and we’ll never truly know until we die. I now believe Satan is the creator god because most of what I’ve read marries up and answers questions in my mind about the Christian god, and what the alternative is. I’m happy with this and feel no need to question it further. Truth is what you make of it, and everyone’s is different. If you get to the end of your life and it turns out you were wrong, well, you’ll surely deal with it then.
I have found a path that fits with my view of the world, and I now intend to follow it (Spiritual Satanism, not JoS. I am not a JoS member.) I’m still struggling to put myself into a trance as the only time for true peace and quiet is after midnight, but I’ll get there. I have to! I respect the views of everyone on this site and welcome opposition to what I’ve said. We’re all trying to find our way, people will disagree and agree with what is said, some more strongly than others, but it doesn’t mean we’re any less or more wrong or right.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby oldspirit » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:16 pm

“Hitler was a christian and if you were a satanist you would be gassed like the jews” you had me all the way up to this point.

Have you ever heard of Martin Bormann, The Third Reich Leader in 1933 and the man who took Rudolph Hess spot as the Head of the Party Chancellery.
Or what about the Anti-Church Campaign that Borrman, Himmler, and Rosenberg (all high ranking SS officers) pushed, this would NOT have happend without Hitlers approval.
I dont care what he said in his speeches about being a christian, he was not one and neither was any top authority in the Nazi Party

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby oldspirit » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:18 pm

Parvati wrote:Ain, I understand where you are coming from and believe it or not, I too was once an avid reader of the site before I found out that the Old Hag was married to the Ex Leader of the NSM Clifford Herrington. Just a few days ago I found out that visiting that site (some blogs do this!) will put extra coins in the pockets of those bastards and those donations pay for their bills, groceries, and also the NeoNazi cause. I do not fund fascists, and I do not give a damn who knowledgable they claim they are in matters of Medidation, Demon Evocation, and so on.
Maxine Dietrich may have the aura that she is well written but remember all those articles on her website are copy/paste jobs from Llewllyn books, bemyastrologer.com, Franz Bardon, etc and please under no circumstances do those medidations because they are more harmful than good.

No Way! im with you on that. Any group that wants to restrict freedoms or civil liberties i want no part of. Her website seemed very sincere and informative, then i watched some of her you tube videos and felt nothing but hate, anger, rage, and negative energy. That cant be healthy or good for a spiritual awakening.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby JonChang » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:23 pm

oldspirit wrote:

Parvati wrote:Ain, I understand where you are coming from and believe it or not, I too was once an avid reader of the site before I found out that the Old Hag was married to the Ex Leader of the NSM Clifford Herrington. Just a few days ago I found out that visiting that site (some blogs do this!) will put extra coins in the pockets of those bastards and those donations pay for their bills, groceries, and also the NeoNazi cause. I do not fund fascists, and I do not give a damn who knowledgable they claim they are in matters of Medidation, Demon Evocation, and so on.
Maxine Dietrich may have the aura that she is well written but remember all those articles on her website are copy/paste jobs from Llewllyn books, bemyastrologer.com, Franz Bardon, etc and please under no circumstances do those medidations because they are more harmful than good.

No Way! im with you on that. Any group that wants to restrict freedoms or civil liberties i want no part of. Her website seemed very sincere and informative, then i watched some of her you tube videos and felt nothing but hate, anger, rage, and negative energy. That cant be healthy or good for a spiritual awakening.

If someone were to curse you, wouldn’t you be angry at them lol? Or you believe in all that new age “love, we’re all one” BS?

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:32 pm

I thought I was banned, but I suppose my suspension was cancelled.

When I was younger I felt like I had to oppose both Christianity and modern Satanism. Modern “Satanists” were non-religious and, most of the times, uneducated leftists using several names (like “Azazel”) without even taking the time to read the books these names were derived from. They keep praising Azazel, whilst the book of Enoch, from whence the name of this demon was drawn, states that Satan will be punishing the sinners who left their celestial place as… common sinners. They are not treated by the LORD, the One called Satan and the Devil, as His angels are. He will be torturing them for ages and ages, amen.

Anyway, because of this blind ignorance of the neo-satanists, I was acting as if I was a Nazist just to provoke them back then. They have taboos, you see, even though they claim Satanism is about not having any taboos whatsoever, they have taboos against the scapegoats of this age (Nazism wouldn’t be so bad to consider if the Soviet Union and America hadn’t won, would it?), and one of them is the taboo against Nazism. If you are an individualist, why would you care if someone hates some kinds of people? (Although Nazism is not really about hatred)

So, I ended up feeling I was agreeing with J.o.S. (although I didn’t really know J.o.S. itself yet). In the end, I had a destructive argument with the “Satanists” of J.o.S. I was communicating with, even though they seemed to agree with me at the beginning. Why? Because of their stupidity and the disturbing fact that they mix up occultism and Satanism with politics. So, I came to the conclusion that I wasn’t a Nazist after all, I just wanted to oppose everyone who was mixing politics with Satanism, including the ones mixing feminism, homosexuality and anti-racism with it. So, in the end, I had trouble (well, the trouble was theirs to handle, since I prevailed) with the nationalist “Satanists” as well.

Ok. Of course the stuff about “aliens” etcetera is purely stupid, but back then they didn’t make so stupid statements, so I never opposed them because of that.

And, just to get this straight, I have no problem with Nazism. In fact, I do believe in the difference of psychology according to one’s race, and I don’t have any problem with someone hating a race or a part of people just because of their ideology, I’m just stating that Satanism has nothing to do with politics, and both the atheistic and the theistic and the so called “traditional Satanists” do mess up with politics. So, for me, they are just opportunists and not Satanists. This whole thing is more intense in my mind now that I have a personal conflict with Azazel (he seems to be waiting for me to be weak enough in order to drain energy from me, no matter how many times I exorcise him in the Name of Satan).

For a Satanist is the one who praises the LORD, the Wicked One of the Bible. Period.

During my last conflict with Azazel he won because of the pills I had consumed which caused me not to be able to speak fluently and use my energy to banish him, but “I shall see him at Philippi”…

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby EternalReturn » Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:08 pm

I would like to know if you’re from Europe?

It’s because I am and I’ve heard from older people about horrors of Nazi rule, and it is definitely something to have a problem with. Have you seen the film Schindler’s List? One of the co-creators was a Croatian man Branko Lustig who has felt, seen and was in the midst of the events, and a lot of things that you can see in the movie are real situations which came from Lustig’s experience. If you haven’t I recommend it.

edit: I will not continue this discussion because I know that this is a path to a fuckin’ abbys

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:49 pm

thought I was banned, but I suppose my suspension was cancelled.

Nope,there was no ban or suspension on your account that I’m aware of.

I can’t see any mod notes regarding this either.

Why did you think you were banned?

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:09 pm

Nahemah wrote:

thought I was banned, but I suppose my suspension was cancelled.

Nope,there was no ban or suspension on your account that I’m aware of.

I can’t see any mod notes regarding this either.

Why did you think you were banned?

Every time I was trying to log in I read I cannot do it for I am suspended because of spam and giving false information about myself. Something like that.

EternalReturn wrote:I would like to know if you’re from Europe?

It’s because I am and I’ve heard from older people about horrors of Nazi rule, and it is definitely something to have a problem with. Have you seen the film Schindler’s List? One of the co-creators was a Croatian man Branko Lustig who has felt, seen and was in the midst of the events, and a lot of things that you can see in the movie are real situations which came from Lustig’s experience. If you haven’t I recommend it.

edit: I will not continue this discussion because I know that this is a path to a fuckin’ abbys

Yes, I am from Europe and I’ve watched Schindler’s List. It focuses on the Jews. So, why should I care? Jerusalaim Chel Zahav was a good song by the way. And, yes, I’ve heard of those horrors too, but I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers. Although it seems I’m getting somewhere right now that I stopped searching for books that modern and opportunistic “Satanists” purposely want to silence for their pacific and individualistic goals.

What are you expecting from a Diabolist? To protest against crime and inhumanity? I’m not a humanist. (And, by the way, an ideology isn’t judged through its crimes, but through its original beliefs)

I suggest you watch “Thanatomorphose” and “The Fly”. They are much more inspiring than Schindler’s List when it comes to (fictional) horror.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Ramscha » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:21 pm

Klavier wrote:
And, by the way, an ideology isn’t judged through its crimes, but through its original beliefs

And by what people make out of them by following those ways…

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:39 pm

Warned users

This is a list of users with unexpired warnings issued to them.

No warnings exist.

I am suspended because of spam and giving false information about myself. Something like that.

Not so,above is the warning log entry,all active warnings/supensions show in the log for one month after issue,so your name would be there with the reason for infraction if you had recently been supended/banned.

You are ether confused or lying or it’s another account you’re talking about, which I probably have banned.

Do carry on.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby EternalReturn » Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:55 pm

Klavier wrote:

EternalReturn wrote:I would like to know if you’re from Europe?

It’s because I am and I’ve heard from older people about horrors of Nazi rule, and it is definitely something to have a problem with. Have you seen the film Schindler’s List? One of the co-creators was a Croatian man Branko Lustig who has felt, seen and was in the midst of the events, and a lot of things that you can see in the movie are real situations which came from Lustig’s experience. If you haven’t I recommend it.

edit: I will not continue this discussion because I know that this is a path to a fuckin’ abbys

Yes, I am from Europe and I’ve watched Schindler’s List. It focuses on the Jews. So, why should I care? Jerusalaim Chel Zahav was a good song by the way. And, yes, I’ve heard of those horrors too, but I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers. Although it seems I’m getting somewhere right now that I stopped searching for books that modern and opportunistic “Satanists” purposely want to silence for their pacific and individualistic goals.

What are you expecting from a Diabolist? To protest against crime and inhumanity? I’m not a humanist. (And, by the way, an ideology isn’t judged through its crimes, but through its original beliefs)

I suggest you watch “Thanatomorphose” and “The Fly”. They are much more inspiring than Schindler’s List when it comes to (fictional) horror.

I will, thank you for suggestion.

But I have to ask, concerning morality and such what are your thoughts?

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:31 am

Nahemah wrote:

Warned users

This is a list of users with unexpired warnings issued to them.

No warnings exist.

I am suspended because of spam and giving false information about myself. Something like that.

Not so,above is the warning log entry,all active warnings/supensions show in the log for one month after issue,so your name would be there with the reason for infraction if you had recently been supended/banned.

You are ether confused or lying or it’s another account you’re talking about, which I probably have banned.

Do carry on.

I said I wasn’t allowed to login. Every time I was trying there was this white message under my username and password.

EternalReturn wrote:

Klavier wrote:

EternalReturn wrote:I would like to know if you’re from Europe?

It’s because I am and I’ve heard from older people about horrors of Nazi rule, and it is definitely something to have a problem with. Have you seen the film Schindler’s List? One of the co-creators was a Croatian man Branko Lustig who has felt, seen and was in the midst of the events, and a lot of things that you can see in the movie are real situations which came from Lustig’s experience. If you haven’t I recommend it.

edit: I will not continue this discussion because I know that this is a path to a fuckin’ abbys

Yes, I am from Europe and I’ve watched Schindler’s List. It focuses on the Jews. So, why should I care? Jerusalaim Chel Zahav was a good song by the way. And, yes, I’ve heard of those horrors too, but I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers. Although it seems I’m getting somewhere right now that I stopped searching for books that modern and opportunistic “Satanists” purposely want to silence for their pacific and individualistic goals.

What are you expecting from a Diabolist? To protest against crime and inhumanity? I’m not a humanist. (And, by the way, an ideology isn’t judged through its crimes, but through its original beliefs)

I suggest you watch “Thanatomorphose” and “The Fly”. They are much more inspiring than Schindler’s List when it comes to (fictional) horror.

I will, thank you for suggestion.

But I have to ask, concerning morality and such what are your thoughts?

Similar with the ones I have about Christianity: “Diabolus est Deus inversus”

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:56 pm

This whole alien theory and daring to call the LORD a Nephelim is outrageous. I hope Maxine shall die really painfully for her blasphemy and pay a visit to the “Nephelim” down there for her flesh to be sharpened on fiery wheels whilst she’s still alive. Apropos, the one speaking on their videos cannot be Maxine. From what I understand, Maxine has to be an old ugly whore who claims to be a Nazi whilst she is not even white, so it’s pretty unlikely that she has such a young voice and this kind of accent.
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby manofsands » Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:32 am

Klavier wrote:I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers.

Would it be presumptuous to assume you’ve had a lot of pain and unhappiness in your life?

There should be obviously expected responses to such posts. Which would indicate a desire for such responses.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:19 pm

manofsands wrote:

Klavier wrote:I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers.

Would it be presumptuous to assume you’ve had a lot of pain and unhappiness in your life?

There should be obviously expected responses to such posts. Which would indicate a desire for such responses.

Hi

I didn’t know this is a psychology forum. But, no, I was never really unhappy and I was claiming to be Satanist since I was seven because of my sympathy for the LORD. I had no idea that today’s Satanism is crawling on pseudo-moralistic and politically correct businesses made for money, sex or political propaganda.

HungARYAN and Scythian Warrior = SAME USER on Joy of Satan — VERONIKA HOMPO, SOCIOPATH, PSYCHOPATH and CYBERBULLY

Joy of Satan Moderators can’t tell when their members are so blatantly the same, using sock accounts? Crazy bitch really is pulling the wool right over the whole group’s eyes! Lies right to them and says she isn’t any sock accounts when she is all the Hungarians on their forums! Fucking riot! All these supposed intelligent people are going along with her charade, while anyone can read her posts and see it’s the same person, it’s comical.

Veronika Hompo, as long as you have your sick fucking blog about **me** and my friend still online after she told you she was done with you months ago — that  you were a waste of time — I will not only keep my blog online, I will call out your bullshit. I might even post your old news, like how you do believe in Jesus and even when you were a National Socialist, you listed your religion as Christian… hey crazy bitch that was 2012 and it’s online, remember the internet is forever Veronika! I can easily copy over the proof of you posting your belief in the Holocaust for your nazi friends, too, so they can see what a lying psycho you are. You just keep your blog online using your fake persona as a man or whatever you’re pretending to be, everyone knows it’s you and one of your FIFTY-EIGHT (Yes 58! and counting!) accounts and emails because you have *DRUM ROLL PLEASE*

Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) an effect of severe trauma during early childhood, usually extreme, repetitive physical, sexual, or emotional abuse.

Joy of Satan will realize it sooner or later, sooner for sure, because you’re crazy level is way up there! You don’t stick with anything for too long, do you, nutball? No… I Googled, Binged and Yahooed your fake fuck ass and you’re just playing these people like a fiddle. Can’t wait for them to realize you fooled them once, shame on you, fool them twice, OMG!
Yoora Kim, Kissyou, and should someone list all your other aliases on their sites? On their Yahoo Groups? Go ahead Veronika and please say I’m not real, because I’ll smack you into reality and prove your skank ass wrong right to the HP’s and get you banned so fast your mentally ill whore ass head will spin faster than you can say “I’m NOT pure!”

HungARYAN Scythian Warrior Yoora Kim or Kim Yoo-Ra etc. etc.etc. sock puppet accounts on Facebook… and so many more yet to be verified. JOY OF SATAN and SPIRITUAL SATANISTS should all know that this is a CHARLATAN, A TRICKSTER AND LIAR, she thinks she has you all in her pocket, fooled and deceived, she laughs at all of you while she posts as if she is some naive new satanist, thanking you for learning, telling you what a good satanist she is for translating your works to her 5-10 blog sites, but be aware she is nothing but selfish and arrogant, a volatile aggressive and dangerous fool that will keep lying and stabbing all of you in the backs with dark rituals she does since she despises many of you High Priests and High Priestesses and you know that is true, she called one a “whore and stupid dumb bitch” —High Priestess Myla Limlal666, another “a dumb jew retard” –HP Mageson666, she only apologized so she could CONTROL ALL OF YOU in her own way, she thinks she controls YOU and she thinks she is better than High Priestess Maxine Dietrich, think that’s not true then go read all of her insane ramble and read it in native Hungarian! As the Nadia Kiss persona, she believes she is more powerful and far more intelligent and deserving of everything High Priestess Maxine Dietrich has, and she does feel she can take her position by over turning the flock against the other HP’s and Maxine. Read all her loony-tune posts talking to herself on her fake accounts on FB. She’s a fucking psychopath and has multiple personality disorder, no joke!

(I don’t have to like Maxine Dietrich to speak the facts. I still stick to my opinions I’ve posted.)

She is VERONIKA HOMPO. She is EVERY HUNGARIAN talking to each Hungarian on Joy of Satan and Facebook. She’s a cyberfreak. She’s not Aryan, she’s not pure DNA, she lies. You JoS people were told the truth by some unknown user on the Joy of Satan forum, a Hungarian she’s fought with in the past (so she claims), but she pulled the wool right over the eyes of all of you because this is all she has to grasp onto right now. She lied and will continue to lie to every Satanist because it’s her only skill she has that she can use, and she doesn’t even care if her satan disapproves of her doing so to other satanists. She lies to all satanists, she has skeletons in her closets 10,000 metres high she won’t ever want known to anyone now that she feels she has some power. She is truly weak and uses her posts and blogs to make all of Joy of Satan fall for her ruses.

Veronika Hompo’s Facebook profiles, from her real profile followed by sock accounts in chronological order. The newest and most recent, active sock/alias profiles will be listed at the bottom of the list and updated accordingly.

Boring already.

Boring already.

Zero points for creativity on the fake profile. Still using this ridiculous pic from the wallpapers sites is so unimaginative. Can't you try a bit harder? Everyone knows this is fake, so at least make the photo your pitiful attempt to TRY to fool Facebook employees who are going to check this farce and see what a joke you are. Surprised you don't list yourself as a psychopath already in the job description. Ha!

Nadia Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008599656331 Zero points for creativity on the fake profile. Still using this ridiculous pic from the wallpapers sites is so unimaginative. Can’t you try a bit harder? Everyone knows this is fake, so at least make the photo your pitiful attempt to TRY to fool Facebook employees who are going to check this farce and see what a joke you are. Surprised you don’t list yourself as a psychopath already in the job description. Ha!

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Nadia Varnay Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005355257387 Really, again? Oh this is just one of 7 more she has ready to go. LMAO, can you say INSANE PSYCHOPATH? 😀

Nadine Gentil Cher https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007627487397 So uncreative. Veronika Hompo and all these Nazis will spend 20 hours trolling and working on utter crap, but won't take one minute to make up a new fake alias for the latest sock account on Facebook. Totally lame.

Nadine Gentil Cher https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007627487397
So uncreative. Veronika Hompo and all these Nazis will spend 20 hours trolling and working on utter crap, but won’t take one minute to make up a new fake alias for the latest sock account on Facebook. Totally lame. Funny how “Nadia” thinks she’s some sort of “fashionista” in every phony profile she’s had since 2010. LOLOLOLOL She uses everything from stolen bikini pics to PC wallpapers of “pretty blonde girls” but one of my favs she posted was her imaginary trip to HAWAII. She posted an album full of photos yanked off the internet… with pics from Sydney, Australia in the mix! She’s NEVER left Budapest and had no clue she put photos of another country in her album and said it was a “beautiful view” from her hotel room in Hawaii! Fucking moron! Her hotel room image was pulled right off the hotel booking website 😀

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Réka Luca Szabó https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008788620243 = FAKE. Veronika Hompo is not giving this her full competency, she is failing. These images within this profile, a new alias for her psychotic “Nadia” persona, has 2 stolen photos used as images of “herself, of the imaginary “Réka Luca Szabó.” See for yourself. Mentally deluded people will go to any lengths to try to cover their mistakes, but Veronika doesn’t just do that, she gets disgusting, because she was raised Christian and hates herself so much now she can do nothing to resolve her inner pain but to speak of filthy sex, urinating on people and defacation — these are her outlets for her inner sexual turmoils.

Oh look it is not Réka Luca Szabó but Johanna from Finland

Photos of Johanna who lives in Finland, runs the blog Jo’s Secret on Blogger. Johanna also has a Facebook Fan Page with these images posted.

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Anouck De Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010124676650 Yet another fake profile Veronika Hompo is using because she is far too much a coward and in fear of Jews and Christians to use her own profile with her name. Coward psychopath.

Anouck De Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010124676650
Yet another fake profile Veronika Hompo is using because she is far too much a coward and in fear of Jews and Christians to use her own profile with her name. Coward psychopath.

Veronika Hompo https://www.facebook.com/170588kng
Nadia A. Kiss https://www.facebook.com/kdrseoykdxyfwcr
Erzsebet Horvath https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002854374945
Elizabeth Ho https://www.facebook.com/ieui9844KNVVEWWoyc4906825329
김요라 https://www.facebook.com/vrildamen
김요라 https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005487735189
Istvan Nemeth https://www.facebook.com/istvan.nemeth.1675275
Adél Kassai https://www.facebook.com/adel.kassai
Viktória Venus https://www.facebook.com/viki.feher86
Adél Kassai https://www.facebook.com/adel.kassai
Prska Red https://www.facebook.com/piroska.piros.33
Gábor Barabás https://www.facebook.com/dmmwvb209opq977896nxyvcu
Tamas Varnay https://www.facebook.com/tamas.varnay.9
Tamas Varnay https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007165651017
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/szabolcs.mate.7
Béla Kováts https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008343046076
Szittya Harcos https://www.facebook.com/harcos.szittya
Szittya Harcos https://www.facebook.com/iskit.savasci
Szittya Harcos https://www.facebook.com/szittya.harcos
Anette N. Petit Mignon https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005074726616
Nadia Varnay https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007520025677
Set Nakt https://www.facebook.com/zetur.narul.1
Csaba Hong https://www.facebook.com/csaba.ho.1
Csaba Hong https://www.facebook.com/csaba.hong58
Andrea Polgar https://www.facebook.com/andrea.polgar.12
Anette N. Petit Mignon https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005074726616
Nadia Varnay https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007520025677
https://www.facebook.com/nadia.varnay
Béla Kováts (Scythian Warrior) https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007090426175
Nadine Gentil Cher https://www.facebook.com/nadine.gentilcher
Nadine Gentil Cher http://www.facebook.com/nadine.gentilcher
Nadine Gentil Cher https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008042504973
Dina Cher https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008102478208
Kárpát Leánya https://www.facebook.com/karpat.leanya
Yoora Kim https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004644255538
Szabolcs Maté https://www.facebook.com/szabolcs.mate.7
Nadia Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004496385010
Yoora Kim https://www.facebook.com/vrildamen88
Gabor Barabas https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004265025623
Tamas Varnay (Barabas Gabor) https://www.facebook.com/gabor.barabas.315
Ilona Horvath (Hompóné Erzsébet) https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005246296383
Timea Wilhelm https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004644255538
Belane Szittya Kovats (Scythian Warrior) https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004719616326
Szittya Harcos https://www.facebook.com/szittya.harcos
Nadia Varnay Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006576438985
Nadia Varnay Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004753785714
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/szabolcs.mate.737
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004123998174
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006891406212
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007585395203
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007684125423
Nadia Varnay Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005355257387
Nadine Gentil Cher https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007627487397
Nadia Kiss https://www.facebook.com/nadia.kiss.142
Timea Wilhelm (Kim Yoora) https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004644255538
Nadia Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008599656331
Réka Luca Szabó https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008788620243
Nadia. A. Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009117092873
Tivadar László Szép https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008998210981
Gyula Galaczi https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008723231548
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004128014827
신세기 https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009191405440
Dorina Szabó https://www.facebook.com/balazs.nemet.90
Anouck De Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010124676650
Tímea Wilhelm (김유라) https://www.facebook.com/timea.wilhelm.9

Veronika Hompo aka HungARAYAN is also on Google+, with many puppet accounts.

Balázs Németh AKA Veronika Hompo, HungARYAN, is nothing but a stock photo of a "trendy young man"

Balázs Németh AKA Veronika Hompo, HungARYAN, is nothing but a stock photo of a “trendy young man”

Anett nadia Kiss https://plus.google.com/107802997476587915930
Balázs Németh https://plus.google.com/105131673565652833520
Béla Kováts https://plus.google.com/116046365448646843200
Veronika Hompo https://plus.google.com/u/3/103448124590903405915
Piroska Red https://plus.google.com/u/3/107878324019370420826
Nadya https://plus.google.com/u/0/109718335240242002791/posts
Viktória Fehér https://plus.google.com/u/0/103206975781837670763/posts
Veronika Hompo https://plus.google.com/u/0/103448124590903405915/posts
Anouck De Rouvroy https://plus.google.com/103817513763254064929/posts
Yoo-ra Kim https://plus.google.com/100991906523052393411/posts

 

Ironic, she accuses others of having fake accounts, yet no one else ever gets deleted but her. Each time we are all reported, we can provide the proper identification and cell phone number for each account. Each profile has a unique computer ID and its own IP. Unlike Veronika Hompo’s sock accounts that are deleted on a weekly to bi-weekly basis. Yet this is the “Aryan Satanist” that the “Joy of Satan Ministries” have chosen to allow back after banning, to trust and to continue to perceive as worthy of their Hilter Neo-Nazi praising asses. Or as according to Veronika, The HungARYAN, scythianwarrior and all the other users she is on their forums, their sites, their other forums and sites, blogs and so on, they decided to trust her… though she has claimed to despise the HP’s so much that she did a ritual to spiritually murder them, to kill their souls and to leave them with nothing; she has laughed about cursing them with a black death, one she said she would only use on Jews and Christians. She used it on Satanists that she hates. She is nothing like the rest of any Satanists in the group(s) she attempts to belong to. She is a selfish, angry and cut-throat empty shell of dark nothingness.

JOY OF SATAN, BLACK SUN 666, You think she has not one drop of JEWISH BLOOD? Make her prove it to all of you. She cannot prove she has no Jewish Blood in Her Veins. She has no proof to offer and she can only scream words on the internet. So much for all her hate and vitriol, it only bites her in the ugly dark sub-human reptilian ass for all of the horrible deeds she has done; karma is coming for her full swing.

BTW Veronika HOMPO, The Black Sun 666 web site is a huge joke. You proved to everyone I told in your Seal Shepherd Phase that you really are a little psycho sociopath puppet when you believed that hysterical site full of such nonsense only a complete total “dumb retard” (to use your own words you can understand) would believe. I think you fell and hit your head really hard on a sidewalk, the street, brick wall or your bath tub. You are most fore sure brain damaged and a psychopath.

JOY OF SATAN: Complete idiots or are they on to Veronika Hompo and her numerous sock accounts on their forum? Here are 2 of them back to back! So many more are posting, but let “Veronika Hompo” or “Nadia Kiss” maybe Béla Kováts even, post them, be truthful to the Joy of Satan people and to the HP’s.

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Veronika Hompo pretending to be 2 users. LOL (only the tip of a deep iceberg, JoS forum users, pay close attention, she is all the Hungarians except for 1, the guy who tried to expose her for her fetish for feces and piss. (Who else would have such a fetish and mention it? So gross, only Veronika Hompo would even THINK TO THINK OF IT!!! A HungARYAN toilet fetish!) HungARYAN loathes any rock music. Rock music, metal in particular, makes her sick. She believes all rock bands, from Led Zep to AC/DC to Black Sabbath are “a joke” and the proof is in her distasteful comments to other users online about the music her friends liked. “Miss Superior” Veronika Crazybitch likes classical music. She was never one to like anything loud with electric guitars; a double bass drum player made her post insulting comments towards those who enjoyed all metal bands. She hates men with long hairshe hates the entire black metal and death metal scene. The closest to rock music she ever got to liking was a John Lennon love song to Yoko. ( 😀 LMAO) Not convinced? Test her ON THE SPOT. She knows nothing of true metal bands and simply Googles anything now to find keywords such as “satan” “hell” “devil” “darkness” “666” — my friend posted Iron Maiden on her profile and with it a pic of their mascot; Veronika made fun of it and said it was “stupid ignorant crappy music” for people who had no taste in true music. 😀 Joy of Satan is where she has first even heard of Led Zeppelin and now, The Eagles, AC/DC and other bands all her JEW, CHRISTIAN, BUDDHIST , PAGAN, WICCAN and even MUSLIM friends have been into since before she even knew them. Veronika shunned their music, all the songs and lyrics every user/friend posted, making derogatory comments about how “only uneducated people listen to this trash ignorant” musicbut Veronika the Liar made exception for her “true friend,” her non-religious friend who didn’t identify with religion — the “one true friend” (Veronika Hompo said those very words, it is in Facebook messages and on Gmail) from a multicultural background that practiced nothing, the friend she lies to JoS about ever since Suzanne told her to FUCK OFF and if possible, die while at it! 😀 All in fun, but a sociopath such as Veronika Hompo takes everything extreme and makes it a year or so obsession. Stalker, harasser, lunatic, aggressive manipulator and storyteller. No friends.

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Veronika Hompo’s main profile. Yes this is actually her regular profile. She used to post about the Holocaust on here! She has hundreds of JEWISH friends she cherished! She is friends with Xians who all love Jesus and adore Pope Francis! In fact, she has some KOREAN FRIENDS she adores who attended the papal visit to Korea in August 2014! They posted images all over their profiles and Veronika did not even mind, she loves these friends and respects these people because they are Korean. She “allows” all of them to be CHRISTIANS and LOVE GOD AND JESUS, behind the backs of Joy of Satan. Ask her FB friend who shares her last name, Hompo. Her “friend” does not know Veronika is a vessel filled with hatred. Go ahead,  ask!

(Koreans infected with ‘Francis syndrome’ after papal visit) They just love the Pope!

Veronika Hompo, tell HP Mageson666 all your sock accounts yourself, or are you a coward? You are a little bitch, crying to Google, lying about fake screenshots, are you not? Everyone knows what a lying little bitch you are, even JoS members do. Do you think High Priestess Myla Limlal666 believes a word you type? I would certainly think not! High Priestess Maxine Dietrich might be a NEO-NAZI POS, but she knows what you really are. You know and we all know.

Look at Veronika on Facebook. She is such a see-though confused, mentally disturbed loner. She has friends… they are all herself. The users that aren’t sock accounts? They are not real friends to her. She friends people she plots against. Case in point, VovinPrgel. Veronika Hompo hates VovinPrgel and fourthreich666 ever since “HungARYAN Gone Crazy” and once she has publicly declared her dislike or disappoval of you, you’re on her fucked list and don’t think for a moment that will ever change for any reason, because it won’t, she hates you forever, it’s her personality, or one of her personalities. She made a public point to tell Facebook users she thought VovinPrgel was a fucking asshole. She posted many nasty public posts about VovinPrgel and even fourthreich666 and she hid them later on, only to be seen by select Facebook “friends.” She gets off on this, posting “dumb ignorant jew” about a user from Joy of Satan and then making sure to get them on her friend list, it’s almost funny.

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Does VovinPrgel even know that Veronika Hompo has him or her on her permanent shit list? Most likely not. She believes in keeping those she hates close to her. She doesn’t ever forget or forgive, she made it clear that a curse would be made by her towards VovinPrgel and she wouldn’t change her mind. Funny she probably pretends to be “friends” with this person who has no idea that for years her game is to pull people close in after in her mind they have burned her and then she collects their data off their profile to use against them, even if it’s years later. She’s done this for over 5 years, what means she doesn’t still? She loves it, she gets off on having fake friends she actually hates so she can data collect and do death curses, runic rituals and what not all because she has no area of her damaged brain that is capable of rationalizing anything, even sorting out disagreements. She plans to stab each and every Joy of Satan member in the back as best she can and according to her secret little posts she plans to use Satan to help her destroy each one of them that participated in the topic against her called “HungARYAN Gone Crazy”

Make more stupid rituals and curses, waste your time little girl 😀 I don’t believe in your crazy shit, so it has no effect on me. I don’t even believe in your satan, your devil or hell. Your alien satan is ridiculous science fiction. I think it’s all as stupid as those who take the bible literal.

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How many times do you return as a fake persona? When you're Veronika Hompo, you do it as many times as possible. :D

How many times do you return as a fake persona? When you’re Veronika Hompo, you do it as many times as possible. 😀

LMFAO!

Veronika Hompo has ALWAYS believed in the Holocaust! Even when she is in the persona of “Nadia” she was constantly posting about Auschwitz. ALL THE TIME. Veronika posted about the Holocaust and her feelings of it’s correlation to her VEGANISM so many times to people who didn’t want her harassing them that she was banned often! Here’s some unedited proof, though the sociopath crybaby Veronika Hompo, the WEAK LOSER, will simply lie about it and then try to cry to WordPress. She cried like a little fucking weak and pathetic whore to Google all because SHE HAD BEEN EXPOSED. She is so weak and powerless that she was obsessing and crying over Google CACHE files, not even REAL, ACTUAL WEB PAGES. Veronika Hompo is WEAK, USELESS and a DNA piece of shit NIGHTMARE with such serious mental disorders that she can’t control herself online. Those of you chatting her up on your forums and blogs, thinking she’s sane… want to know the true Veronika Hompo, the way she is IN REAL LIFE? Just ask and I can deliver the information, privately of course, to prove she is a socially inept outcast and ghetto trash. She’s never fit in, she’s a street parasite. She knows this is true, which is why she has chosen to pretend to live as something else, someone she isn’t. She’s TRASH and it’s time for someone to TAKE THE TRASH OUT. Hungary is a toilet for the most part, though there are some quaint, lovely spots and with all due respect to my relatives, their places are not kept like the toilet Veronika Hompo chooses to live in; disheveled, unkempt, forgetting to bathe and never cleaning the tiny squalid area she is confined to. When you are low class, trash and people in town look at you and see you as lower than the Roma’s, the Romani Hungarians, the gypsies, then you know you’re nothing and your weakness is so exposed that all you can do is act out—like a little brat child who was never given a toy.

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There are recent images Veronika Hompo posted, thank you internet free photo hosting site, I found you. Would any JoS nazis want to see them 😀 She loves her some Jewish people and their friends! She is so unaware of the traitor she currently trusts… so much information about her lies and uncontrollable attempt to want and NEED to take over Maxine’s place. She thinks she is learning much faster than others who have been in Joy of Satan for 2 or 3 years and soon can gain the trust of all of the JoS forums, groups, websites—Veronika plans to run your show, JoS, and she is not even an Aryan, but a mixed DNA like most Hungarians — and she has no proof about anything because claiming your last name is a variant of a nazis is just as believable as her own delusions about her actual life, as truthfully believable as her screaming on the internet on 30 profiles, 8 blogs and over 50 emails on Gmail, Yahoo, MSN, Outlook, Hotmail and any other site with free email access she can use to play her games toying with strangers she stalks or with Joy of Satan members. Only she is in denial because she is poverty stricken and needs to cling onto strangers, hoping soon one of you will sucker into paying for her flat, maybe even the first car she could ever drive. A new bed, a real bed, not just filthy mattress on the dirty floor… make her day, play along.

Tell your lies to Joy of Satan, tell them you “avoided the Jews,” but let’s not dance around this Veronika Hompo, who was the friend of many Jews for so many years, and was posting about the Holocaust many times on her Timeline, ridiculing FB users for not being vegan and for not liking the graphic photos posted of Auschwitz, “Nadia” and you posting the ad campaign that compares the slaughter of animals to the murder of Jews in Auschwitz, and you stood up for the campaign and what it stood for, angry as hell! You are who posted Gary Yourofsky’s speeches on the Timeline, always clicking “like” when other FB users posted Gary’s speeches, and Nadia the Pretend, too, she was always posting the gore photos of the Holocaust and saying how horrible they suffered, so why now make animals suffer the same? Don’t try to say this was faked for so long because no one pretends for 4 or 5 or even 6 years to be something and someone they aren’t just to suddenly join some e-cult and flip a switch, you slutty, dirty lying bitch.

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One of MANY posts on Veronika Hompo’s Timeline about her FAVORITE Animal Rights Liberation Movement Activist, a JEW. This man makes Mad Max appear as if she is merely ruler of an online trailer park game app with a few broken, cheap plastic gnomes.

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Wait, what? Since soldiers liberated people from Nazi camps in World War 2? The Nazi camps? Oh, yes, that’s right. It did happen and Veronika Hompo had just temporarily forgotten while on the JoS forum. She remembers when she is not on JoS sites and she remembers when she speaks to her satanist friends who have very, very Jewish boyfriends or girlfriends…you see, then it’s ok, she doesn’t want to talk about it public, though, she’s too busy trying to cover up her stalker issues by pretending a woman she harassed and abused for months is doing things to her that in reality, Veronika Hompo is doing to herself. How does anyone know this? It’s suspected by a clergy member of Jos and by two users on Facebook who are on her friend list…you know, being her…friend. LMAO

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Nadine Cher AKA Nadia Kiss AKA Veronika Hompo. LMAO

Nadine Cher AKA Nadia Kiss AKA Veronika Hompo. LMAO

Veronika aka Nadia aka Nadine aka Anouk aka Timea