About Hungary, Nazis, The Holocaust and Veronika Hompo (and Veronika Hompo’s aliases on Joy of Satan and Facebook)

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This blog exposes to sheer stupidity and the lies of Joy of Satan along with bringing to light the hate, stalking and abuse by their Hungarian cult member(s). Joy of Satan has long been known in America for its Neo-Nazi affiliations. Andrea Herrington’s husband was the founder of NSM, and when Neo-Nazi’s found out that Maxine was Clifford’s wife and not “Aryan,” but a mix breed in their eyes, it almost completely destroyed the NSM due to the controversy and infighting. This began in 2006, long before the ignorant Hungarians (read as one angry Hungarian) logged into the internet and looked for something to grasp on to like teens do to battle their parents. Long ago, JoS was exposed for their problems, their use of others’ works without permission, their lies and their true agenda. They are Nazis. They are racists, bigots, homophobic weak followers of a bastardized version of Satanism that mainly focuses on hate and “protection” from others, in other words, those who are not part of JoS and not faux Satanists; they admit they are not strong and they insult Lucifer by consistently reminding each other to protect themselves from other people and gods. They all have an obsessively fearful, paranoid and horrific fear of people who are of the Jewish faith, the religion. These mentally ill paranoid Nazis, posing as “Satanists,” are convinced Jews are a race and since all of the clergy are suffering from severe systematized delusions, baseless suspicions and worries about others, mostly complete strangers on the internet, they spend their days and nights fixated upon users they then premeditate to attack in forms of abuse, stalking, harassment and bullying.

"Hitler was a cowardly faggot. Most people on JoS think Hitler was a fag and know he was an animal abuser" -- current JoS member of 2 years whom sent in info about HP's and the fake usernames of the supposed large amount of Hungarians who all joined at the same time period

“Hitler was a cowardly faggot. Most people on JoS think Hitler was a fag and know he was an animal abuser” — current JoS member of 2 years who sent in info about HP’s and the fake usernames of the supposed large amount of Hungarians who all joined at the same time period

Many of them are blatantly homophobic, as can be seen in scythianwarrior’s blogs and within former JoS members’ private emails revealed. All of the truth was openly published by Maxine herself and other members of JoS long ago. The members and former members who came forward told everything and provided their proof. What goes on now is nonsense for angry teenagers or simpletons who are unable to realize fictional tales from actual facts. Facts are painful. Deep within JoS’s site there is some valuable information, but is it actually from JoS? No, it’s stolen. Most of Andrea Herrington’s postings (Herrington is High Priestess (LOL) Maxine) are plagiarized and that has been proven by numerous sources for almost a decade.

Again, the site is bigoted and racist, and though they claim they accept gays, many members are out there bashing gays on their own blogs or on their Facebook profiles. Veronika Hompo and her 30 to 60 alias Facebook profiles have had at the least, usually more, a gay-bashing post over the years and in 2014 and 2015 there have been quite a few. Calling users “faggot” slips off her fingers as if it is acceptable. There’s a plethora of hypocrisy amongst the JoS clergy and all you need to do is look for ex-members. The blacks, the GLBT, the not all white who were all in some way pushed out by the fascist beliefs promoted by Joy of Satan ministries.

Veronika Hompo is a stranger to me. She was never on my friend list. But I know all about her and always have, since 2010. I, with my then boyfriend (now fiancé, a valid marriage under the law has not yet been obtained, but is that really the business of everyone?), said to stay away from her. I read every word she posted and every letter she sent. I saw every public posting the aggressive and mean sub-human posted. I said she was damaged and to stay away, to not try to be nice or good to her because it would never make a change in this one’s hollow soul. She was vulgar and too ecstatic enjoying the stalking abuse she did to strangers for another stranger (it was who she calls MM back then, it’s always someone else she gives up her entire life for), along with an even more aggressive and sociopath sub-human, Nadia Anett Kiss. (Is this really another living being or just another personality? Many people over the years have decided that “Nadia” is nothing more than Veronika’s strongest and most reckless and disobedient personality taken on when under stress or severe pressure.) I had spoken to a few other people in Europe, even back in Hungary, from these sub-humans’ friend lists, all in agreement that there were so many anger issues and deep rooted hate that nothing could change for them/her. Vegan? Possible. (*See bottom of this paragraph for updated info) Though as it is now, it’s come to light that Veronika’s Korean personality has denounced veganism as simply stupid. (Her main personality has now admitted she has also shunned veganism and come clean; she was eating eggs and other animals for years while attacking others online for being vegetarian and not militant vegan. She was using animal products, the eggs, dairy, eating fish — at the very moments she was tearing into strangers for the same “sins” and when Hompo would finish her plate of eggs and fish, she would carry on harassing the stranger who dedicated his or her life to rescuing animals from death, stalking them, posting public threats, all the the while this psychotic woman nearing 30 years old was eating animals and when she could, killing chickens for her old, dying relatives. Does it matter though? No, it doesn’t. They do not follow a vegan lifestyle. Hate is not part of veganism. These are beings that enjoy negative energy and preying upon others. So come into play JoS; it makes sense. They found a “home” for their roots in hatred. One only need use Google to find hate from both that traces back years, actual aggressive hate and stalking of strangers around the globe. Warning friends of mine to not try to make peace with these people was all I could do, all we could do as people who know Hungary and have travelled beyond its borders and lived in many places. Leaving was the best event in our lives. Living with people of tolerance and acceptance and in a country with no “Veronika’s” at every other turn of a corner, a breath of fresh air every day we awaken.

*Veronika Hompo has denounced veganism for her version, rather, JoS’s version of Satanism. The former militant psycho of vegans, the super-bitch VEGAN POLICE SUPREME COMMANDER, now eats “humanely murdered” animals. Oh, good for her! Such a good woman, only humanely slaughtered animals, and organic to boot! So caring of her kind soul *GAG and PUKE!* This Borderline personality psychotic used to email her friends asking them to help her tear apart people who ate meat or dairy, and now the hypocrite is using some utter bullshit excuses to suck the HP’s virtual dick so she won’t accidentally out herself for the back-stabbing WORM she actually is; towards him and towards all of the HP’s and clergy within JoS. Veronika Hompo doesn’t think any of them are worth shit. Yes, you know who she thinks is the most inferior within Joy of Satan. HP Don Danko; HP Mageson666. She said she’d love to spit on him. (any of them who are NOT aryan are not worthy to her at all; she has said she suspects many of them have Jewish DNA and it makes her very uncomfortable) Only she is worthy is her mind, after all, she’s told them time and time again—she’s the only true aryan and her bloodline is so pure is goes back to when the earth formed it’s fucking crust, before dinosaurs even roamed the land, before anything existed!—there was the Hompo bloodline, the pure alien DNA sent by Enki in a donut-shaped spaceship right to Earth to plant her familys’ genes so she could be the purest HungARYAN on the whole fucking globe. Yes. It’s all true, and you can ask Satan, he will even confirm this information.

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Veronika Hompo hilariously sucking HP Mageson666’s virtual dick in order to keep herself out of suspicion and in their good graces. LMAO! Good try, but she’s not fooling those who have known her slimy worm ass for over 4 years! Fucking DNA disaster, the deluded psycho is probably missing a chromosome and a few thousand brain cells.

Funny (in the NOT ‘ha ha’ way) how this lunatic mentally deranged FUCKTARD that’s always been thought of as “off” and “sketchy” or “psychotic” and “a manic fucking crazybitch” on social media suddenly tried to play the victim card while at the same time claiming it’s all the fault of Jews or Roma Gypsies! The fucked in the head bitch was close friends with Jews, gypsies, Christians, Buddhists, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists (for fucks sake, seriously) and she still is friends with Koreans who passionately love Pope Francis. All the Koreans this nut is faux friends with on Facebook are Christians. Add to the har hars here, she hates rock music and metal. Veronika Hompo is a classical lover, period. She’s mocked rock music for years. Are we all to believe that suddenly, because HP Mageson posted about Led Zeppelin, that she’s loved them since she was a child? For fucking real? The bitch never once posted even so much as a Top 40 track on her profile. Her shit was all classical music, give or take a few Korean songs so she can ass-kiss those Koreans on her list. The girl is crazy in the coconut. Out to lunch. No one’s home upstairs, people! Anything up there in her head is dark and hateful.

Those who can read and know right from wrong can easily understand the difference between hate and lies, and victims. Veronika Hompo and the aliases and Nadia—the defiant and rebellious personality that attacks without any empathy, without a bit of care that actions have consequences—the stalkers of high abuse, they are sub-human hate and unacceptable in any society.

Veronika Hompo is everyone?
She has a mental disease/illness, many have asked her to stop abusing them, but Veronika Hompo can’t help herself; refuses to stop. She threatened lives of children of many people around the world, starting with young children in Australia. She makes her way around the globe finally making her focus on her friend for many many years, making her blogs about her friend. Veronika Hompo is every user from Hungary on the Joy of Satan forums. She suffers from Dissociative identity disorder (DID). DID doesn’t give her a free pass to abuse anyone. A mental disorder doesn’t excuse her from harassing people and being dangerously abusive. DID is as common as Bipolar or Schizophrenia. It’s not a mythical illness and it’s not just a TV and movie mental disorder. It’s real and Veronika has displayed symptoms for years.

Veronika was born a Christian and admitted so on various websites. She has deleted this information, but it has already been spidered by the archives. Look for it, it can be found. It’s in her own words and on more than one site. Leave a comment if you wish for a JPEG to be posted of her Page which she lists her religion as Christian. It is NOT Facebook nor any of the usual social sites, so she slipped up and forgot to cover her lies when she left a few trails of her true past available to those she stalked and abused with her aggressive hostility and schizophrenic hallucinations.

Joy of Satan Ministries must not be too smart to have yet figure out all the Hungarians are Veronika Hompo—schizophrenic, bipolar or DID—an angry aggressive and mentally damaged sub-human that cannot keep herself under control, lashing out at people on the internet, in her real life she attacks people at the market and in the streets, screams and yells at the people at the place she goes to use internet since she tries to conceal her hardware ID by switching devices at the internet cafe or going to the church to use innocent members’ cell phones, even to the Jewish synagogue she will borrow a tablet, an iPad or device to go to Joy of Satan and pretend she is Scythian Warrior or HungARYAN, even the time she pretended to be Kim Yoora*, she was herself, always is, Veronika Hompo playing pretend, as she does when she is her most favorite imaginary character, Nadia, Nadia Anett who goes by many names. Even Veronika takes on many names for herself, like Victoria, a Jewish name. Vicki is a common Jew name, many Jewish girls have been named Victoria since hundreds of years ago– Veronika chose this as her alias not as her fake persona. Born a Christian, I’ve never understood a reason to take on other names. When the nun asked of us to choose a name for our Christian name at the age of 13, I was confused. Why must we choose this? Someone we admire, she said. I had to do lessons, it was my grandparents doing, and their parents — put upon my mother to continue their beliefs. But a year later my own parents said to them, no, we say this stops now and we will be spiritual and have no need to enter a church to connect with a higher power (religious lessons stopped). My parents didn’t care if I received less gifts from family members who insisted we stay in the church and did I? No. Veronika Hompo chooses to be personalities to fool the Satanists and nazis so she can seem like the good doer and not the bad girl she is. She has always has many Jewish friends and had pleasure having them, so much that she wished she lived where her Jewish friends lived and could be with them and not with Hungarians. She’s only saying her lies to gain the trust of the satanists and nazis because she lost all her friends, Jews, Christians and non-religious and the truth is that those with even blood of either were not religious and didn’t care, they all treated Veronika Hompo so well and so kind that Veronika knew she always had people who cared about her with full trust. Now she only lies and if she keeps lying, karma will come tenfold and karmic retributions she must be aware of, and they will do her in, for she has done wrong to many and those she has lied about and harmed, karma will come to her for. Satan is not going to help her, for even he doesn’t approve of a liar. Joy of Satan members, maybe they can’t tell the truth, but Veronika will soon make a mistake and someone will realize and then look into it more close and find the real truth of Veronika Hompo or Victoria, whoever she would want to call herself that day or week with them while pretending she is doing their work for them and for satan, but really she is doing it for Veronika and for another reason she won’t reveal, a secret she holds and will never tell them or you, the reader here. It’s all in her emails.

Veronika Hompo is a manipulative and dangerous person. Holding the proof back is really not easy. Her sickness should be publicly known, the world online needs to beware of psychotic maniacs like this cyberbullying stalker who enjoys child exploitation and flirts with underage boys online all the time. She’s nealry 30 yet chooses young boys to associate herself with. Possibly she is not able to communicate and interact socially with those her own age. IRL she is a loner and outcast. She cannot keep a relationship with acquaintances for more than a handful of weeks at the most. She’s too unstable to have long-term relationships with people IRL and online. Eventually they see through the acting and false personality. Veronika Hompo is really incapable of holding in her true self; her cruel, evil and vile self that seeks to harm other, to inflict pain and suffering to others (including strangers). She has deluded herself with Hitler and Himmler and her fantasy world of aliens, UFO’s and barbarians as upstanding citizens of the planet. She’s off the deep end for a long time and not coming back.

*Kim Yoora is the name Veronika had used for years on Facebook. It’s the name of one of her favorite Korean singers. She uses Yoora Kim on JoS and now on Facebook. Her original Korean account was named 김요라, Kim Yoo Ra. Veronika was open about it being her, she didn’t hide it from anyone. Vegans who have now deleted and blocked her on Facebook have all confirmed that they were aware that Veronika Hompo was  김요라. She uses another alias account on JoS, a male user, whose name is also taken from that of a singer, a Hungarian singer. Her Béla Kováts user has a photo of a man fishing in Lake Michigan. She used the same photos of this man, from Michigan, USA, for the sock account profile she had on Facebook in that same name. His name is taken from that of an actor, a Hungarian actor. She has 3 sock accounts using names of people in the arts, but she thinks no one will realize what she is doing because most people she is using the accounts with are not familiar with these singers or actors. Gábor Gábriel is the name of a Hungarian singer, actor and painter. How much more evidence would one need to realize HungARYAN or scythianwarrior is purposely deceiving everyone?

Veronika Hompo’s Facebook profiles, from her real profile followed by sock accounts in chronological order. The newest and most recent, active sock/alias profiles will be listed at the bottom of the list and updated accordingly.

Veronika Hompo https://www.facebook.com/170588kng
Nadia A. Kiss https://www.facebook.com/kdrseoykdxyfwcr
Erzsebet Horvath https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002854374945
Elizabeth Ho https://www.facebook.com/ieui9844KNVVEWWoyc4906825329
김요라 https://www.facebook.com/vrildamen
김요라 https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005487735189
Istvan Nemeth https://www.facebook.com/istvan.nemeth.1675275
Adél Kassai https://www.facebook.com/adel.kassai
Viktória Venus https://www.facebook.com/viki.feher86
Adél Kassai https://www.facebook.com/adel.kassai
Prska Red https://www.facebook.com/piroska.piros.33
Gábor Barabás https://www.facebook.com/dmmwvb209opq977896nxyvcu
Tamas Varnay https://www.facebook.com/tamas.varnay.9
Tamas Varnay https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007165651017
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/szabolcs.mate.7
Béla Kováts https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008343046076
Szittya Harcos https://www.facebook.com/harcos.szittya
Szittya Harcos https://www.facebook.com/iskit.savasci
Anette N. Petit Mignon https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005074726616
Nadia Varnay https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007520025677
Set Nakt https://www.facebook.com/zetur.narul.1
Csaba Hong https://www.facebook.com/csaba.ho.1
Csaba Hong https://www.facebook.com/csaba.hong58
Andrea Polgar https://www.facebook.com/andrea.polgar.12
Anette N. Petit Mignon https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005074726616
Nadia Varnay https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007520025677
https://www.facebook.com/nadia.varnay
Béla Kováts (Scythian Warrior) https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007090426175
Nadine Gentil Cher https://www.facebook.com/nadine.gentilcher
Nadine Gentil Cher http://www.facebook.com/nadine.gentilcher
Nadine Gentil Cher https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008042504973
Dina Cher https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008102478208
Kárpát Leánya https://www.facebook.com/karpat.leanya
Yoora Kim https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004644255538
Szabolcs Maté https://www.facebook.com/szabolcs.mate.7
Nadia Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004496385010
Yoora Kim https://www.facebook.com/vrildamen88
Gabor Barabas https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004265025623
Tamas Varnay (Barabas Gabor) https://www.facebook.com/gabor.barabas.315
Ilona Horvath (Hompóné Erzsébet) https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005246296383
Timea Wilhelm https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004644255538
Belane Szittya Kovats (Scythian Warrior) https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004719616326
Szittya Harcos https://www.facebook.com/szittya.harcos
Nadia Varnay Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006576438985
Nadia Varnay Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004753785714
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/szabolcs.mate.737
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004128014827
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004450458843
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004654514841
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004784954874
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005943259019
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006620774846
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008415468056
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004123998174
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006891406212
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007585395203
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007684125423
Béla Kováts https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007684035962
Béla Kováts https://www.facebook.com/bela.kovats.372
Nadia Varnay Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005355257387
Nadine Gentil Cher https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007627487397
Nadia Kiss https://www.facebook.com/nadia.kiss.142
Timea Wilhelm (Kim Yoora) https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004644255538 (Veronika Hompo’s regurgitated Korean Profile.)
Nadia Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008599656331
Réka Luca Szabó https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008788620243
Nadia. A. Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009117092873
Tivadar László Szép https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008998210981
Gyula Galaczi https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008723231548
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004128014827
신세기  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009191405440
Dorina Szabó https://www.facebook.com/balazs.nemet.90
Anouck De Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010124676650
Tímea Wilhelm (김유라) https://www.facebook.com/timea.wilhelm.9
Tímea Wilhelm (김유라) https://www.facebook.com/wilhelm.timea666
Andrea Desdemona Horváth https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009661601852
Balázs Szabó https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009661601852
Zora Zvijezda https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010530187552
Janos Gondar https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009614532179
Barth Alice https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010619325226
Alice Barth https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010619325226
Linda Rehm https://www.facebook.com/linda.rehm.395
Atilla Boros https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010583342417
András Barna https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100011158441482
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012395044335
Maria Desič https://www.facebook.com/maria.desic.5
Anja Heß https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012404403624
Peter Brosič http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012337689320
Eldar Rashi https://www.facebook.com/eldar.rashi
Anja Heß Hess https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012404403624
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012495368738
Tom Butler https://www.facebook.com/butler.tom.7
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/anouck.derouvroy
Zora Zvijezda https://www.facebook.com/zora.zvijezda.9
Anja Heß / Anja Hess https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012420407200
Chandra Kamal https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012454668904
Natasha Zvezda https://www.facebook.com/natasha.zvezda.5
Erienne Kavanagh https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012743071932
Peter Ljubov https://www.facebook.com/peter.ljubov
Desdemona Daimon https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012436749136
Ria Baal https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012539349144
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013084594593
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013126126196
Estrella del Alba https://www.facebook.com/estrella.delalba.9026
Natalie Briant https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013127436663
Estrella del Alba / Eszter Alba https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013469622899
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/anouck.derouvroy.3
Anita Toth https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013105471160
Zora Zvijezda https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013359726530
Desdemona Daimon https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013583166395

 

Anett nadia Kiss https://plus.google.com/107802997476587915930
Balázs Németh https://plus.google.com/105131673565652833520
Béla Kováts https://plus.google.com/116046365448646843200
Veronika Hompo https://plus.google.com/u/3/103448124590903405915
Piroska Red https://plus.google.com/u/3/107878324019370420826
Nadya https://plus.google.com/u/0/109718335240242002791/posts
Viktória Fehér https://plus.google.com/u/0/103206975781837670763/posts
Veronika Hompo https://plus.google.com/u/0/103448124590903405915/posts
Anouck De Rouvroy https://plus.google.com/103817513763254064929/posts
Yoo-ra Kim https://plus.google.com/100991906523052393411/posts

If any of those profiles were actually real people, they would not have all been deleted at all. Since Facebook can see hardware ID’s they can deduct an alias account. Each account above except for Veronika Hompo herself was deleted as fraudulent and fake. Each person that had reported the profiles received a confirmation of deletion, a thank you and notice that Veronika Hompo would not be told who reported her fake profiles. Dozens of users reported her for each profile, just as they dozens upon dozens did years ago when she used multiples to harass strangers and abuse Terms of Use by bullying people she felt didn’t follow her rules. She wasn’t even following her own rules herself! she was never vegan, never cared about animals and she was always sending “Merry Christmas!” to users’ profiles in December. Not “Happy Yule” but MERRY CHISTMAS. Her alternate personality did the same. Nadia Anett Kiss always posted after Veronika Hompo logged off. As if this was not noticed by everyone she thought she was close to. 😀

Veronika Hompo, I am not who you keep accusing me of being and you are a sick sociopath psychotic. You attack the wrong person, you’re a vile whore and your alternate personalities you take on to post on the internet prove you need deep therapies in many areas, your brain isn’t healthy, your mind is damaged and your soul is black. You should only wish I was who you think I am, for she would have you in the darkest place. She pities you, she thinks you are nothing but pathetic and useless, a nobody and worthless, she asked me to not even say a word about you, said you weren’t worth words on the screen, that no one paid attention to you, they laugh at you, make fun of you and think you’re the craziest lunatic, but I got sick of you making your public assumptions and threats and then your most detestable fetishes you posted, your secret desires for things serial killers thoughts are made of, and
I think the world should know what a female stalker who is going to being killing people is thinking inside her very sick mind. You started with harassing, abuse, stalking then posting fantasies of how you want people to die, to feel their sickness, to slowly die, to kill their children, then you laughed, you post smileys about it, and the people all over the globe now will know you, Veronika Hompo, the soon to be serial killer for the Joy of Satan e-group, the one Hungarian user who pretended to be all these Hungarians who suddenly found JoS.

Everyone will soon know your secret, Veronika Victoria Nadia Adel Kim Scythian Nadine Gentil Gabor Bullshitter Non-Aryan Liar to “JOY of SATAN” maybe even your antagonist Kissyou was you, made for drama to show JoS you are some warrior woman with no restraints? Time will tell, and they will watch you when they see you are not what you say.

Veronika Hompo aka Nadia Kiss; Serial Killer in the making, her new “career” dedicated to the Joy of Satan Ministries and her “father Enki,” a fictitious deity created in a novel written by a Jewish author. After Veronika kills her first human prey, she will crave slaughtering moreso than ever. Does anyone actually think this sociopath is vegan? That was just a phase, a former fixation from a damaged mind. She focuses on something with passion every year or so, and with this focus and dedication she puts all her life into it. Prior to her version of satanism and satan, it was veganism and animal rights and animal liberation. That is no longer one of her cares. Before all of the above, it was to protect and serve a man, a stranger on the internet, and she did so as if he was her husband and lover. It’s part of her mental illnesses. Yes, that was plural. Surely everyone sees she suffers more than one, and sadly for her she is so sick she’s unable to behave sly and hide her diseases. She’s easily caught as soon as she comes out and logs on the internet. She’s a parasite and disease, she should be purged from the systems and left to her squalid life of poverty and filth.

She loathes the High Priests and Priestess’s of Joy of Satan. She sent an email privately to a “friend” explaining her ritual to murder VovinPrgel, another JoS clergy member. She has a deep hatred for HP Mageson yet pretends she has made some sort or peace with him. She made sure to privately tell someone on her friend list, who already ratted on her to another Satanist group, that she “hates that jew retard Don Danko” She called one a “whore and stupid dumb bitch” –HighPriestess Myla Limlal666, and him, “a dumb jew retard” –directly towards HP Mageson666; she only apologized so she could CONTROL ALL OF YOU in her own way, she thinks she controls YOU and she thinks she is better than High Priestess Maxine Dietrich, think that’s not true then go read all of her insane ramble and read it in native Hungarian! As the Nadia Kiss persona, she believes she is more powerful and far more intelligent and deserving of everything High Priestess Maxine Dietrich has, and she does feel she can take her position by over turning the flock against the other HP’s and Maxine. Read all her loony-tune posts talking to herself on her fake accounts on FB. She’s a fucking psychopath and has multiple personality disorder, no joke!

Dozens of FB users sent to this blog many emails and FB msg’s proving Hompo’s LIES on Joy of Satan about what she’s been telling them about her past relations.
Maybe those emails and messages should come public and be sent to the main JOS email since we’ve gotten the JOS email from Hompo’s threats to a few of the members there! Unhinged is she?! Well, we can prove she has been lying like a rug to all the HP’s and to these childish friends that fell for her manipulative headtrips on them.

Public image of Veronika Hompo posted by Hompo on her Facebook profile. She had stated she "is not a coward and won't hide herself" and wanted her photo public. This doesn't violate any Terms since Veronika Hompo (or Victoria. What name she goes by is no importance; all of these users who post filth like Whorepo want it public and make it public, they seek attention after years of being ignoredand unheard, sub-human nobodies that are barren and look decades older than their true chronological age. This image is from Veronika Hompo's profile many years ago, when she posted it she said it was an old photo back then. She is afraid to show her self, she knows she has become so ugly, old, haggard and dried up, no man wants her.

Public image of Veronika Hompo posted by Hompo on her Facebook profile. She had stated she “is not a coward and won’t hide herself” and wanted her photo public. This doesn’t violate any Terms since Veronika Hompo (or Victoria. What name she goes by is no importance; all of these users who post filth like Whorepo want it public and make it public, they seek attention after years of being ignored and unheard, sub-human nobodies that are barren and look decades older than their true chronological age.) This image is from Veronika Hompo’s profile many years ago, when she posted it she said it was an old photo back then. She is afraid to show her self, she knows she has become so ugly, old, haggard and dried up, no man wants her. Even this photo of almost 10 years ago or more shows signs of covering up flaws and disfigurements on this Hungarian inbred. The overuse of Photoshop or other photo editing software is clear. Her face is like a plastic sheet.

Debunking the Joy of Satan (from Occultforum.org)

Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:32 am

I decided to pick at random some of the many statements on the Joy of Satan website. I analyzed these statements and presented evidence contrary to what they teach. Keep in mind I did not try to debate their philosophical points, because we are all entitled to believe in whatever philosophy we choose. Here are some things to ponder before you become a Neo-Nazi Satanist (btw…thats so fucking edgy).

“Spiritual Satanism does not in any way conflict with science. We strongly encourage and support all scientific knowledge and enquiry.”

Yes it does. Several of the claims on the JoS website about the origin’s of life on earth and Etc. directly conflict with scientific knowledge as will be shown. Furthermore, science has nothing to say about the existence of “Satan.” Science does not say Satan is real or not real, therefore in regards to Satan, science does not conflict with nor support the belief therein. Thus, there is literally no reason to mention science in regards to a personal belief in Satan.

Satan is the Sumerian God known as “EA” or “ENKI.” He is a GOD, not an angel!
The Gods are an extra-terrestrial humanoid race of beings. In the Christian bible, they are referred to as the “Nephilim.” These beings are very evolved, highly advanced, and immensely knowledgable and powerful. They genetically modified their DNA, so they do not age.

If you want to believe that Ea is Enki is Satan, thats fine. We could debate the finer points, but I’ll let you have this one and just say “sure. why not.” I want you to consider instead the statement about the Nephilim being “Gods” who “genetically modified their DNA, so they do not age.” You’re free to believe in the ancient alien theory, but lets remember that they said “nothing about spiritual satanism conflicts with science.” So, does science say that the nephilim were gods (aliens) that came to the earth? Of course not. There is literally 0 evidence for anything like this except for ancient stories told by primitive man, and that is not evidence. So what does science say about the Nephilim? The Nephilim of Genesis were Neanderthals. Yup. Not as exciting as DNA mutating alien gods…but thats the reality of it. Check out this episode with archeologist Simcha Jacobovici. He explains and shows that the Nephilim in Genesis were ancient Neanderthals who, of course, did not mutate their DNA nor do they live forever. He shows all this using science rather than personal beliefs, unlike the JoS.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1237712 (im sure you can find the episode on YouTube or the Piratebay…doubt you’ll look though ;) ) Again, you’re free to think that there were ancient alien gods who mutated their own DNA so that they could live forever, and that the Bible called them the “Nephilim,” but if you do that you are lying when claiming “Spiritual Satanism does not in any way conflict with science.”

Many of us have seen him, we have witnessed the so-called supernatural, and we have been given abilities way beyond that of the average person.

The first error in this statement is claiming that they have witnessed the “supernatural.” Our world is a natural world. We are natural beings living within a very natural world. Supernatural means “beyond the natural.” If something supernatural occured in our natural world, we as natural beings would not even be aware of it…because the event would literally be beyond our natural senses – hence “beyond the natural.” So no. Neither they, nor anyone else, could experience something “supernatural.” The second mistake, of course, is claiming that they have been given abilities “way beyond that of the average person.” I assume these are “supernatural” abilities, right? No wait, I already showed that they couldn’t possibly have supernatural abilities…so maybe just psychic or “paranormal” abilities then? If this is the case, I challenge the JoS leading ministers to demonstrate their “above average” abilities. After all, science is about proving or disproving something, right? And you all love science so much. James Randi is offering 1 million $$$ to anyone who can demonstrate any type of paranormal or psychic ability. So why not take him up on his challenge? He will pay for your flight and hotel arrangements, costing you nothing out of pocket. Besides, with your crazy paranormal powers it will be the easiest million $$$ you will ever make, right? So why not? And please dont say “No. Thats not how it works. Its not about money.” Because then I’ll have to ask, “Then why do you have a store on your website?” Heres the link. Let us all know when you have set up a meeting with Mr. Randi. – http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

As opposed to hysterical Christian claims, Satanism is not in any way about blood sacrifice.

Except when you are dedicating yourself to Satan and sacrificing your life and soul to him, right? In English we call this a “contradiction.” In science I’m pretty sure this is called “bullshit.” See below.

When you are ready, you can light the candle. Take the needle,prick the index finger of your left hand, squeeze some blood out.
Satan dictated the Al Jilwah directly to Yezidi prophet Sheik Adi in the 12th century.

The Al Jilwah has a lot of good things to say in regards to Sinister Philosophy. But it was literally dictated by Satan himself? Are you sure? Check this out: “Then Adam ate of the grain and immediately his belly was inflated. But Melek Ts drove him out of the garden, and leaving him, ascended into heaven. Now Adam was troubled because his belly was inflated, for he had no outlet. God therefore sent a bird to him which pecked at his anus and made an outlet, and Adam was relieved.” So Satan is claiming that humans have an asshole because a bird pecked at his rear-end? And here I thought Satan was all-knowing? You’d think Satan would know about evolution. Oh but this is a metaphoric story, right? Then how do you know the rest of the book isn’t metaphoric, or even that “dictated by Satan” isn’t metaphoric? By the way…the bird pecking and creating the anus directly conflicts with science…so I caught you at that lie again:P

I was going to write this whole big lecture of why Nazism has nothing to do with Satanism, but I decided it wasn’t needed. So heres the claim I’ll make: Hitler was a Christian, and if you want to follow in his footsteps, then you should become a Christian. If you pranced around Nazi Germany claiming to be a Satanist you would have been gassed right along with the Jews. And now some quotes!

“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”

[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

“….the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil
assumes the living shape of the Jew.”

[Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 11, precisely echoing
Martin Luther’s teachings]

“Today Christians … stand at the head of [this country]… I pledge
that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy
Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian
spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in
literature, in the theater, and in the press – in short, we want to
burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole
life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past …
(few) years.”

[The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford
University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:41 am

I haven’t read this piece yet,but will after replying.

Why reply before reading you may ask?

The title,that’s why.

JOS is a Neo Nazi cult masquerading as a legitimate organisation.We do not support nor give the oxygen of publicity to them here on OF.org,if at all possible.
Our site policy has strict rules in regard to hate groups and their ideologies and we act on these,unequivocably and without exception.

I’m putting this here so all and any readers are made aware that this is so,even though having read our rules and that by agreeing to them on sign up,they should already be informed that we do not tolerate any kind of bigotry or hate speech/groups.

Post that shit,get kicked.Permanent.No exceptions.

I’ve written a lot of posts about this group here,as have other members.This tends to come up from time to time as folk who are starting out find information about them and come here to enquire further.

I’m quite glad they do this,actually, as we can help educate on why JOS is dangerous to those who are drawn to it in ignorance of it’s reality.

Having said all this,now I’m going to read before commenting any further.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:03 pm

Ah.

Keep in mind I did not try to debate their philosophical points, because we are all entitled to believe in whatever philosophy we choose.

You’ve said this at the start,then proceeded to do just what you claimed you would not.

Is this a debunk of JOS or a debunk of Spiritual Satansism as a whole,because most of it reads as the latter and not the former?

The fact that JOS is Neo Nazi is quite far down the page and it’s only given a small nod,yet in my mind and the mind of so many others who know of these arse holes or who have experience of them previously,it’s by far and away the most immediate point to consider in regard to debunking them as a Religious group.
This is an important consideration and distinction to make,particularly as a belief in Spiritual Satanism of and in itself is not in any way inherently or otherwise dangerous to any person and JOS is by far not the only group or site or individual which espouses [ in JOS’s case claims/pretends to espouse…] Spiritual ,Religious and/or Philosophical beliefs about or in regard to Satan.

You may or may not get responses to this post,but if you do and they are antagonistic towards what you’ve written it will most likely be because of your stance on the philosophical/religious views of Spiritual Satanism in general and not because of Neo Nazism within a Spiritual group. You have also broadly painted all Spirituality regarding Satanism into one small corner and labelled it according to JOS viewpoints on it,which is grossly innacurate and incredibly unfair.

Also,this part of your statement,quoted below, could apply equally to anybody holding any kind of what you’ve termed ‘supernatural’ beliefs and not just to Satanism/JOS.

I feel this bears pointing out,as while we value individuality and acknowledge a wide variety of beliefs and disbeliefs on the forum we do not recognise. endorse,validate or otherwise uphold any one belief set above the others as being more true or correct and that includes Atheistic mindsets too.

The first error in this statement is claiming that they have witnessed the “supernatural.” Our world is a natural world. We are natural beings living within a very natural world. Supernatural means “beyond the natural.” If something supernatural occured in our natural world, we as natural beings would not even be aware of it…because the event would literally be beyond our natural senses – hence “beyond the natural.” So no. Neither they, nor anyone else, could experience something “supernatural.” The second mistake, of course, is claiming that they have been given abilities “way beyond that of the average person.” I assume these are “supernatural” abilities, right? No wait, I already showed that they couldn’t possibly have supernatural abilities…so maybe just psychic or “paranormal” abilities then? If this is the case, I challenge the JoS leading ministers to demonstrate their “above average” abilities. After all, science is about proving or disproving something, right? And you all love science so much. James Randi is offering 1 million $$$ to anyone who can demonstrate any type of paranormal or psychic ability. So why not take him up on his challenge? He will pay for your flight and hotel arrangements, costing you nothing out of pocket. Besides, with your crazy paranormal powers it will be the easiest million $$$ you will ever make, right? So why not? And please dont say “No. Thats not how it works. Its not about money.” Because then I’ll have to ask, “Then why do you have a store on your website?” Heres the link. Let us all know when you have set up a meeting with Mr. Randi. – http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

Enki as Satan is also not the only form of deification of Satan,or expression of Satan as an individual entity,so this is also a broad stroke of inclusion,which does not apply to all Spiritual or indeed Theistic Satanism any more than JOS speaks for all Spiritual and/or Theistic Satanists.

Just saying.

And here’s a handy exposition on JOS Spiritual/Ritual practices,written from a dissenting, yet still Theistic Satanist’s viewpoint,for some balance. [Diane Vera is ex JOS clergy so the view is one which is perhaps particularly relevant here] :

http://theisticsatanism.com/Demons/JoS.html

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Rin » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:53 pm

The first error in this statement is claiming that they have witnessed the “supernatural.” Our world is a natural world. We are natural beings living within a very natural world. Supernatural means “beyond the natural.” If something supernatural occured in our natural world, we as natural beings would not even be aware of it…because the event would literally be beyond our natural senses – hence “beyond the natural.” So no. Neither they, nor anyone else, could experience something “supernatural.” The second mistake, of course, is claiming that they have been given abilities “way beyond that of the average person.” I assume these are “supernatural” abilities, right? No wait, I already showed that they couldn’t possibly have supernatural abilities…so maybe just psychic or “paranormal” abilities then? If this is the case, I challenge the JoS leading ministers to demonstrate their “above average” abilities. After all, science is about proving or disproving something, right? And you all love science so much. James Randi is offering 1 million $$$ to anyone who can demonstrate any type of paranormal or psychic ability. So why not take him up on his challenge? He will pay for your flight and hotel arrangements, costing you nothing out of pocket. Besides, with your crazy paranormal powers it will be the easiest million $$$ you will ever make, right? So why not? And please dont say “No. Thats not how it works. Its not about money.” Because then I’ll have to ask, “Then why do you have a store on your website?” Heres the link. Let us all know when you have set up a meeting with Mr. Randi. – http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

I’m certainly not a fan of JOS, but this whole ‘well if they have supernormal abilities, why haven’t they cashed in the randi challenge yet?’ argument is a silly one. Randi is a hack, and his challenge isn’t about scientific inquiry into what is and isn’t possible (especially given that he’s an entertainer, not a scientist) but about boosting his own reputation and income by latching onto the fame of well known “TV psychics” and similarly fraudulent entertainers. There are a lot of facts that stand as proof of this, not the least among them the fact that Randi will only accept participants who already have some measure of fame and has refused many unknowns, or that he requires them to sign a contract which not only allows him to set and change the requirements for ‘success,’ but allows him to explain or frame the events in any way he chooses with no legal recourse for the participant. I can’t be bothered with a more detailed write up of how meaningless Randi’s challenge is, but here’s one written by a blogger:

Related Post: Can You Win Randi’s Million Dollar Challenge?

To get on a blog and tell people you are psychic is to have skeptics immediately invite you to take magician James Randi’s million dollar challenge. Rather than reply to every comment of that sort that comes through, I’ve set up this page to deal with this subject. I will demonstrate here that there is no reason to take this challenge seriously. Oh, and by the way, James Randi is a climate change denier. (I think this says a lot about his frame of mind.)

First of all, the challenge is meaningless by scientific standards. It’s not a study and it can’t be replicated. It’s a one off. As it is entirely controlled by one person who has no scientific experience, is known to have strong views and has published no scientific peer reviewed papers on the subject, The challenge carries no scientific weight whatsoever.

Compare that to the Parapsychological Association, which is a member of the The American Association for the Advancement of Science and regularly publishes peer reviewed studies. Here is what real evidence looks like.

By far the most damning evidence that this challenge is a mere publicity stunt is that Randi does not take all comers.

He has explicitly refused to test homeopath John Benneth (who has issued a $100,000 challenge to any person who can demonstrate, under conditions similar to James “the Amazing” Randi’s Psychic Challenge, that the Psychic Challenge is a valid offer for proof of psychic powers.), Professor George Vithoulkas’s homeopathy experiments similarly never got tested and backed down from a challenge issued by Dr. Jule Eisenbud, who wagered $100K that Randi could not duplicate the “thought photography” of Ted Serios, even with the aid of a prop in which a gimmick could be housed. Randi has ignored challenges to the test such as English psychic Chris Robinson. Dick Bierman, PhD proposed a presentiment test to Randi which Randi simply never followed up on. This brings up a legitimate question: who else is he ignoring?

By doing this, the main claim of the challenge, -that no one can pass it and therefore psychic ability does not exist- is voided and any tenuous claims to being scientific are invalidated.

Skeptics seem to think that this challenge means something; that if psychic ability were real, someone would pass the test. This assumption rests on the belief that this challenge is reasonable and fairly administered. But where is the proof of this? Science demands openness. A parapsychological study run like Randi’s challenge would never get out of the gate.

John Benneth, (homeopath) points out that the challenge is not an actual contract, lacks third party mediation and in his words:

Randi has expressly told me that he will not deal with attorneys. As an instrument, its unilateral. Like a fiat from the King, or a papal bull. It gives the applicant no recourse in case Randi harms him; in fact, the applicant has to forego any rights of recompense if Randi harms him.
But the biggest thing is that Randi’s signature has never appeared underneath it. It’s a hoax. It was conceived of by an entertainer, a man who has made a career deceiving and tricking people, a particularly nasty little man who has a grudge to bear against the world, revealed in the animosity routinely shown towards applicants.
How is it that one can expect to have an AGREEMENT with someone who is calling you derogatory names, ridiculing and CHALLENGING you?

He has a point actually. The Daily Grail points out that Rules #4 (allowing Randi to use the data from the experiment in any way he chooses and #8 (denying the applicant legal recourse), when combined allow Randi the option to lie about the results and get away with it.

John Benneth went back and forth in 70 e-mails with Randi. The Vithoulkas experiment process dragged on for two two years, the Zibarov process dragged on for two years, Carina Landin, went through a 3 year process. Only one of these actually came to down to an actual test and that one was botched.

For that matter, how many people have actually gone down to Florida to take the challenge? Randi’s website is decidedly vague on this point. Why is this information missing?

After doing a bit of research on the JREF site, I found out some interesting things. First, many applicants have no clue how to put their abilities up to a scientific test. Once they start in on the process, many drop out. The fact is, performing a psychic ability for a scientific test is much harder than it first appears. They also find out an extra requirement not stated up front: There is a time limit for the preliminary challenge: eight hours.

This time limit is quite a barrier to success. It prevents people from building up statistical significance through sheer repetition, which is how it’s done in every scientific study. Most parapsychological studies do not test for more than a couple of hours at a time, having found that psychic ability wanes quickly as mental exhaustion sets in. There is no reason for the time limit since the applicant is paying all expenses. In fact, in the case that I studied, the number of repetitions was limited. What this means is that psychic ability is not being tested. Extraordinary psychic ability is being tested. This distinction is important. You cannot make claims about psychic ability if you’re testing for something else.

In the case of Pavel Ziborov he had gotten all the way through the process, having agreed to 100 repetitions within the eight hour time limit only to have Randi come back and limit his challenge to 20 repetitions, thereby violating his own protocol and ensuring that nothing less than near total perfection could pass the challenge. No explanation was given for this change which Mr. Ziborov wisely refused. On the JREF site it is simply noted that the challenger had refused to accept the protocol. In other words, Mr. Ziborov’s attempt was cast in the worst possible light. (Mr. Ziborov has posted his response to JREF in the comments below.)

Randi has also claimed that once the parameters are set, neither he nor anyone else can change them, yet it was done here. How is that? Simple. Randi NEVER accepted the application. Mr. Ziborov was going back and forth with JREF for almost two years and in that time he was never formally declared an applicant. It appears that this a loophole in the process that has been exploited to prevent legal challenges to his methods. If nothing is signed, there is no contract and the person applying has no legal means to force a reasonable challenge. It appears that when James Randi talks about the fairness of the challenge, he is referring to accepted applicants, who can only achieve this status by agreeing to absolutely everything Randi demands whether it is reasonable or not.

When I went through the forum postings for the Ziborov challenge, I noted that he was referred to as a “woo.” This is an abbreviation of woo woo. In other words, the challenger was being insulted. Throughout the discussion, other posters on the forum make it clear that they do not believe that he has this talent; effectively saying that he is either a liar, con artist or deluded. These are the people responsible for setting up the challenge and possibly administering it. The bias is clearly strong.

This is extremely important because another undocumented “feature” of the challenge is that the applicant may not bring anyone in either for moral support or to assist or monitor the challenge. There is no way to prevent JREF errors or mischief during the testing. Because the people administering the test are JREF volunteers and are self selected for being strongly skeptical of psi, (they are volunteering their time to a skeptical organization after all,) the chance of errors due to cognitive dissonance and inexperience are actually quite high and there is nothing to prevent them from either covering up any mistakes or simply not catch them at all. JREF is under no obligation to publish a full account of the test nor make good on any JREF errors in the event they occur and are discovered.

There is also the fact that an extremely important bit of information that is lacking. You cannot find it in the FAQ, nor on the application, nor does Mr. Randi talk about it. There is no way that withholding of this information is anything but deliberate. The way this challenge is currently set up, it is in my opinion, a trap designed to disgrace and humiliate the people who take up the challenge.

To easily understand this, let us take the analogy of Mr. Smith’s jumping challenge. Mr. Smith does not believe that the ability to jump actually exists and he has a million dollar challenge to anyone who can prove to him that jumping exists under laboratory conditions. You have to apply for the challenge and bear all travel expenses to Mr. Smith’s facilities. You can help design the experiment and everything will be measured with complete accuracy.

So what’s wrong? If you can jump you should take the challenge right? By now, you should notice what’s missing. There is nothing in the previous statement about how high you have to jump. Wouldn’t you want to know this before you applied for the challenge? Because if the height you have to jump is unreasonable, there is certainly no point in applying. Misdirection has been applied here by confusing the requirements with the testing procedures.

But how can you do this with psi? If someone makes a claim, all they have to do is live up to it right? The answer is that parapsychology is a science that relies on statistics. It is well known that psychic ability is not automatic. People get some answers right and some wrong and statistics must be used to determine if this occurred due to chance or not.

All statistical measurements of psi ability can therefore be expressed as odds against chance. All you have to do is set up a test where the exact odds for chance are known. (i.e. picking the correct picture out of a set of four yields a 25% chance outcome with odds against chance for one trial at 1 in 4.) Certainly JREF would never allow a test where this sort of computation couldn’t be done, nor should they. Statistical certainty is essential for determining success.

So if James Randi wanted to tell people what his requirements were, all he would have to do is tell them what odds against chance he would accept for someone to claim the million dollar prize. He could use words like “approximately” to indicate that there was some flexibility. There is nothing vague or complicated about this, yet this is not mentioned at all even though the challenge application and FAQ were recently re-written to address a number of valid complaints.

Why does he leave out this crucial bit of information? Because it allows Randi to work behind the scenes to make the challenge as difficult as possible. It is well known within scientific circles that the odds against chance that James Randi will accept are 1,000 to 1 for the preliminary challenge and 1,000,000 to 1 for the main challenge. The odds for the main challenge are the equivalent of asking a person to stand under a 20′ high wall and jump over it. And if their foot brushes the top? That’s a failure; too bad, so sad, get lost.

You can’t find this out of course until after you’ve applied. While psychics can, conceivably overcome odds of a thousand to one, it’s extremely doubtful that they can do this under both the pressure of performing, in the presence of extreme skeptics, within eight hours and having their number of trials arbitrarily limited. It is a worse case scenario for demonstrating psychic ability. Beating 1,000,000 to one odds is completely out of the question. Bear in mind that should a psychic show a sudden flash of great ability, they may be asked to repeat it, further worsening the odds. Randi makes no attempt to explain these details, he only paints the applicants in the worst possible light.

Until as recently as the end of 2007, applicants were required to give up all publicity and media rights as a requirement for applying. So not only were they screwed, they were not allowed to talk about it. This is kind of like the sideshow at the carnival where people are promised that they will see something wonderful, but when shown the empty box are advised not to tell anyone else lest they be the only fool. Until very recently, he did not even show the list of applicants. At every step of the way he appears to be seeking to withhold information about the difficulty of the challenge.

This is one more way in which the scientific validity of the challenge is nil. Proving that people cannot jump over a 20ft wall does not prove anything about jumping except that people cannot jump that high. It makes no statement about any ability under that threshold. If a person can only jump six inches, that is still jumping. The same applies to psychic ability.

It is possible for scientists to achieve 1,000,000 to 1 odds, this has been done many times, but only through a great number of repetitions, which is how this sort of science is normally done. Taking time away from the real science to travel to Florida in order to perform in front of die hard skeptics isn’t really high on their priority list. The expense of such an endeavor would likely use up a large chunk of the prize money so as to make the challenge unappealing. Psychic ability has already been proven, so it’s only about shutting Randi up.

But the expense and obstacles of the challenge do not make it an attractive proposition. A scientist would have to front all of the money for the challenge and stands a chance of running out before they get to their goal. They would likely have to do this in the face of Mr. Randi doing everything in his power to prevent their success, since that would mean the end of whatever fame he possesses from the challenge and his skepticism. This would undoubtedly add to their expense. Of course it’s all moot since he ignores them anyway.

In conclusion, there is no reason to take this challenge seriously. It’s not science. The illusion of the Great Test is only maintained through selectively culling applicants, making the process opaque and rigging the odds. Its only possible purpose can be to harass and humiliate people who do not share Mr. Randi’s beliefs.

I’ll leave you with a comment one of Randi’s own volunteers made on a thread discussing an applicant who had been denied (here #468):

I realize that there is almost no interest in holding Randi and the MDC to the standards that they claim for themselves. I’ve always been in a ridiculed minority when I make these suggestions. It is clear that the Challenge is not about allowing people to demonstrate their claims, but rather about providing examples for our ridicule – partly for education, partly for group-bonding (my guesses). I am in the process of moving on from the idea of trying to persuade anyone to care to that of trying to get the JREF and Randi to be more upfront about this instead, in order to thwart criticism. I fully realize that this will be a futile effort as well. I also continue to tell people to quit smoking. (…)

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:30 pm

Randi is a hack, and his challenge isn’t about scientific inquiry into what is and isn’t possible (especially given that he’s an entertainer, not a scientist)

You know there are other challenges like Randi’s all over the world right? They can’t all be biased and “UN-winnable” –http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:42 pm

Nahemah wrote:Ah.

You’ve said this at the start,then proceeded to do just what you claimed you would not.

I questioned the teachings of the JoS that related to science and rationality. I didn’t say that, for instance, “oh satan isnt real! i dont agree with your spiritual views so hahaha youre wrong!”

Is this a debunk of JOS or a debunk of Spiritual Satansism as a whole,because most of it reads as the latter and not the former?

I addressed spiritual satanism as it is taught by the JoS. Everything quoted about spiritual satanism was quoted from the JoS, not diane vera or anyone else.

The fact that JOS is Neo Nazi is quite far down the page and it’s only given a small nod,yet in my mind and the mind of so many others who know of these arse holes or who have experience of them previously,it’s by far and away the most immediate point to consider in regard to debunking them as a Religious group.
This is an important consideration and distinction to make,particularly as a belief in Spiritual Satanism of and in itself is not in any way inherently or otherwise dangerous to any person and JOS is by far not the only group or site or individual which espouses [ in JOS’s case claims/pretends to espouse…] Spiritual ,Religious and/or Philosophical beliefs about or in regard to Satan.

I know. I figured everyone knew they were neo-nazis so kicking a dead horse would be kicking a dead horse. If people agree with the JoS after knowing they are neo-nazis, then the best thing to do is make them re-consider their teachings that are not directly related to neo-nazism.

You may or may not get responses to this post,but if you do and they are antagonistic towards what you’ve written it will most likely be because of your stance on the philosophical/religious views of Spiritual Satanism in general and not because of Neo Nazism within a Spiritual group. You have also broadly painted all Spirituality regarding Satanism into one small corner and labelled it according to JOS viewpoints on it,which is grossly innacurate and incredibly unfair.

My post was about the JoS, therefore I addressed the JoS. I didnt make any mention of any other teachers or styles of spiritual satanism. I dont think that I even used the phrase “spiritual satanism” once in my entire post.

Also,this part of your statement,quoted below, could apply equally to anybody holding any kind of what you’ve termed ‘supernatural’ beliefs and not just to Satanism/JOS.

You’re right. If you were claiming to have been given “supernatural powers that the average person does not have” by aliens…then I’d ask you to prove it too :P

I feel this bears pointing out,as while we value individuality and acknowledge a wide variety of beliefs and disbeliefs on the forum we do not recognise. endorse,validate or otherwise uphold any one belief set above the others as being more true or correct and that includes Atheistic mindsets too.[/quote
Atheism is the lack of a belief in a god. Atheism does not have a stance regarding the supernatural. I dont think asking for proof of a claim someone makes is an “Atheistic mindset.” If i went around saying, “Im jesus christ and aliens give me super-powers so come follow me and join my cult!” I would hope you’d ask for proof of my supernatural claims before getting baptized by me.

Enki as Satan is also not the only form of deification of Satan,or expression of Satan as an individual entity,so this is also a broad stroke of inclusion,which does not apply to all Spiritual or indeed Theistic Satanism any more than JOS speaks for all Spiritual and/or Theistic Satanists.

The JoS believe that Enki is Ea who is Satan. I didn’t debate that or say it was wrong. The statement did not relate to science or rationality – it is a matter of philosophical belief, and I left it alone like I said I would.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Rin » Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:49 am

AIN666 wrote:

Randi is a hack, and his challenge isn’t about scientific inquiry into what is and isn’t possible (especially given that he’s an entertainer, not a scientist)

You know there are other challenges like Randi’s all over the world right? They can’t all be biased and “UN-winnable” –http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal

And on the flip side there’s extensive, albeit frequently ignored, scientific evidence for paranormal abilities.

http://noetic.org/research/psi-research/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew
http://www.amazon.com/The-Conscious-Uni … 0061778990

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:36 am

And on the flip side there’s extensive, albeit frequently ignored, scientific evidence for paranormal abilities.

http://noetic.org/research/psi-research/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew
http://www.amazon.com/The-Conscious-Uni … 0061778990

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Well said. I agree fully and subscribe to the idea of the paranormal. The difference between you, I, and the JoS is that we aren’t claiming to have supernatural powers given to us by aliens as proof of the correctness of our teachings. If someone were to say, “I can move objects with my mind, therefore, you should believe everything I say” I would hope you’d want proof before you blindly believe everything they say and just take their word on it xD

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Rin » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:28 am

AIN666 wrote:

And on the flip side there’s extensive, albeit frequently ignored, scientific evidence for paranormal abilities.

http://noetic.org/research/psi-research/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew
http://www.amazon.com/The-Conscious-Uni … 0061778990

Well said. I agree fully and subscribe to the idea of the paranormal. The difference between you, I, and the JoS is that we aren’t claiming to have supernatural powers given to us by aliens as proof of the correctness of our teachings. If someone were to say, “I can move objects with my mind, therefore, you should believe everything I say” I would hope you’d want proof before you blindly believe everything they say and just take their word on it xD

Yeah I agree with you there, even if they do have these abilities (and I’m rather skeptical on that count), to paraphrase a Yogi who’s name I can’t remember, someone using paranormal abilities isn’t proof of anything except that they possess paranormal abilities. It doesn’t inherently make their philosophy or worldview any more valid.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:33 pm

Before I say anything else,I ‘m sorry for the forthcoming dickishness,but here it is anyway:

AIN,you missed the point I was making about JOS masquerading as a Spiritual organisation,the masquerading part is very important and it relates to why I posted Ms,Vera’s account of JOS bad practice regarding evocation,summoning and pacting.

The spiritual stuff is a ruse to suck folk in,just like the other religiosities employed by various Neo Nazi groups in engaging with and encouraging dissafected folk into their groups and into their mindsets.

If you’d addressed that more instead of attempting to debunk them using bad science and poor etymology for that matter also, to disenfranchise their bad attempt at spirituality, you’d be on much surer ground.

The only other species of humans hinted at in the Bible are the infamous Nephilim (Gen. 6:4, Num 13:32-33), a race of giants “as tall as cedar trees” (Amos 2:9) who were the offspring of the ever-mysterious “sons of God.” The Bible says that, to the Nephilim, the early Jews looked as small as grasshoppers (and were just as tasty).

Some people try to link the Nephilim to the Neanderthals, but the Neanderthals were no giants, averaging just over 5′ tall. So unless the early Jews were elves, this doesn’t compute.

http://500questions.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/23-why-doesnt-the-bible-mention-neanderthals/

The above page is tongue in cheek,but it does cover several of the flaws in the Nephilim/Neanderthal hypothesis you posted about.I can bring the hard genetic science,but I’ll do it later,if I must as I now have to watch the episode you posted about,even though I will not recover the time I feel I’m about to waste doing so.

On the etymology: Super does not mean beyond,from it’s original Latin it means over or above and the term was originally posited as a means of describing Godly or Divine interaction with the mortal world.

supernatural (adj.) Look up supernatural at Dictionary.com
early 15c. “above nature, transcending nature, belonging to a higher realm,” from Medieval Latin supernaturalis “above or beyond nature,” from Latin super “above” (see super-) + natura “nature” (see nature). Originally with more of a religious sense, “of or given by God, divine; heavenly;” association with ghosts, etc., has predominated since c.1799.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=supernatural&searchmode=none

And natural was originally coined to describe inborn or inherent human traits:

natural (adj.) Look up natural at Dictionary.com
c.1300, naturel, “of one’s inborn character; hereditary, by birth;” early 14c. as “of the world of nature (especially as opposed to man),” from Old French naturel “of nature, conforming to nature; by birth,” and directly from Latin naturalis “by birth, according to nature,” from natura “nature” (see nature).From late 15c. as “not miraculous, in conformity with nature.” Meaning “easy, free from affectation” is attested from c.1600. Of things, “not artificially created,” c.1600. As a euphemism for “illegitimate, bastard” (of children), it is first recorded c.1400, on notion of blood kinship (but not legal status).Natural science is from late 14c.; natural law is from early 15c. Natural order “apparent order in nature” is from 1690s. Natural childbirth first attested 1933. Natural life, usually in reference to the duration of life, is from late 15c. Natural history is from 1560s (see history). To die of natural causes is from 1570s.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=natural

Another flaw in the natural argument is that we live surrounded by technology and inventions which can easily be defined as unnatural or ‘super’ natural,if using your own narrow definiton.

I didn’t really want to post more here,but using flawed rationality to disprove flawed rationality dosen’t work and if anything it makes it easier for those who support such heinous views as those held by JOS to counter argue in their own favour and I’d rather not give them that edge.

End of dickishness,for now.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:58 pm

I enjoy your insights :) ❤ And respect your opinions.

Some people try to link the Nephilim to the Neanderthals, but the Neanderthals were no giants, averaging just over 5′ tall. So unless the early Jews were elves, this doesn’t compute.

My reference includes a world-famous archeologist. Your’s…a guy on the internet with a free wordpress site. ❤

1000s of years ago, people were not as tall as they are now. Goliath is called a “giant”…his name is synonymous with very tall people. And in his time, he likely was a “giant.” But he was only about 6’2”. In our time, that isnt exactly gigantic, right? http://www.examiner.com/article/david-a … as-goliath The video I gave shows that the Neanderthals were the “nephilim” of genesis.

On the etymology: Super does not mean beyond,from it’s original Latin it means over or above and the term was originally posited as a means of describing Godly or Divine interaction with the mortal world.

O.o Super – above/beyond. Yes. However, “natural” in the context of “supernatural” is not “natural” in the context of a human beings “born with abilities.” Natural means the processes and laws of nature, in the term “supernatural.” So yeah…not sure what your argument is for my questioning of their claim to “supernatural” abilities. Here is the word actually defined. Especially note #3…which backs up my claim of “if something supernatural occurred, we are natural beings wouldnt even be aware of it.”
Adjective

supernatural (comparative more supernatural, superlative most supernatural)

1. Above nature; that which is beyond or added to nature, often so considered because it is given by a deity or some force beyond that which humans are born with. In Roman Catholic theology, sanctifying grace is considered to be a supernatural addition to human nature.
2. Not of the usual; not natural; altered by forces that are not understood fully if at all.
3. Neither visible nor measurable.

End of dickishness,for now.

Im not here to argue with spiritual satanists who took my post about the JoS personally. I didnt post this to make you feel as though you had to defend your beliefs. I didnt mention any type of Satanism outside of the JoS. If you arent a JoS member im not sure why you would take it to heart. I can clearly argue my points over and over if we must, but it seems as annoying a spam. Care to agree to disagree? [rolleyes]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Asurendra » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:46 am

I am not entering into this doctrinal disputation, I only want to make a point about the identification of the Biblical Nephilim with Neanderthals. If you accept the Biblical narrative the problem with this claim is that it makes man older than the Neanderthal. Modern humans began roughly 200,000 years ago while the first Neanderthals were 600,000. These dates are the current consensus.

About the size of these Nephilim: I went and took my Greek Septuagint and my Latin Vulgate from the shelf and blew the dust off then looked at Genesis 6:4. The same work ‘gigantes’ is used and this means the same as our word in English. The Bible itself makes it clear that these giants were not suppose to be just a foot taller than man. The proof of that is Og of Bashan (whom the Jewish Midrash says was the last of the Nephilim). The text gives the measurements of his bed in Deut. 3:11 as roughly 13 foot. Further, when the spies first entered Canaan they claimed the giants were still and they felt “like grasshoppers” in comparison (Num. 13:1-14). I would point out that the spies were lying and were punished for it, but, the point is that they were using the accepted belief of the Hebrews regarding what a giant is, being much more than just a foot taller.

Nahemah’s points on this matter are fully supported by the Biblical text. The size of Goliath is not relevant because he was not one of the Nephilim in either the text itself or, so far as I am aware, in Jewish tradition (for what that’s worth).

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:47 pm

In Layman’s terms,a very reader friendly guide [grin] :

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals

In not so Layman friendly terms:

http://www.genetics.org/content/156/2/799.full

http://www.pnas.org/content/96/13/7117.long

Please read these and ask questions later,if you wish to. [thumbup]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Asurendra » Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:35 am

While I don’t believe it, a far better Biblical-based argument for the place of the Neanderthal in the scriptures would be drawn from the exile of Cain in Genesis chapter four.

Since AIN666 likes Latin, I’ll quote the Vulgate:

In 4:14 after he is told to get out, Cain tells Yahweh “omnis igitur qui invenerit me occidet me” (all those who find me will kill me) leading to the famous question: ‘I thought only 4, now 3 people existed! Who are these people?’ There must have been a lot of these mystery people because, 4:16 “habitavit in terra profugus ad orientalem” (he lived in a land to the east -after leaving) and then 4:17 “aedificavit civitatem” (he built a city). In the Hebrew text the word for city is ‘Iyr,’ which is a settlement much larger than a ‘kfar,’ or town and which has walls. So it clearly implies there were many of these non-adamic people.

The Jewish Midrash says Cain & Able had sisters and these people come from them but that is rather unsatisfying in both time and number.

In reality, it is just a contradiction between different narratives and a flaw, but the dogmatically oriented can have fun with it and argue he interbred with the Neanderthals, who were already there and older (conforming to current belief) while the first homo sapiens were a special creation.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby thestudyingalchemist » Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:50 pm

Well there’s something I never understood…
How can a satanist be a neo-nazi?!?
I mean nazism is completely fascist, homophobe, sexist, racist and do not respect any indivual choice of anyone and just take control over people….
But satanism is exactly at the opposite of this so please can someone explain how it is possible??? I never believed that it was possible and I know that JoS are using some concepts and symbols using by the nazi (well not a lot anyway) but does it mean that they are neo-nazi because I mean the ideology is incompatible….

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:08 pm

Political and Religous Ideologies cross over all the time and the two are not mutually exclusive of each other by any means.

It is quite possible to be Satanist and Neo-Nazi,just as it is to be Christian and Neo-Nazi or Asatru and Neo-Nazi,for that matter also.

It is also possible to hold other religious beliefs that are compatible with Nazi ideology too.

Racism,bigotry,homophobia,misogyny and social elitism are,unfortunately,present in all walks of life and humanity.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby thestudyingalchemist » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:42 pm

Nahemah wrote:Political and Religous Ideologies cross over all the time and the two are not mutually exclusive of each other by any means.

It is quite possible to be Satanist and Neo-Nazi,just as it is to be Christian and Neo-Nazi or Asatru and Neo-Nazi,for that matter also.

It is also possible to hold other religious beliefs that are compatible with Nazi ideology too.

Racism,bigotry,homophobia,misogyny and social elitism are,unfortunately,present in all walks of life and humanity.

Yeah I understand that but it is just so different that if a satanist claim himself being a neo-nazi he’s not a satanist anymore, I mean there can be common points you can had but not to combine nazism with satanism it’s just not satanism anymore…

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Asurendra » Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:18 am

Ain666 seems to have left the Forum, otherwise I am sure he would be happy to engage you in long and intricate doctrinal analysis akin to the Pharisaical disputations between the Calvinist and Arminian sects over such matters as Predestination.
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:14 pm

Nahemah, I totally applaud what your stance on the JOKE of Satan website, and I personally will rather go to the proper sources instead of visiting that Neo Nazi site run by someone who is Half Native American!!! [zomg] [zomg] [zomg]
The final straw was there views on Hell and the Afterlife where that idiotwoman claims to of met a VIP spirit who was well protected by Father Satan (LOL), and there is no prizes in guessing who he is! He was none other than Heinreich HImmler who is one of her idols LOL. Full of lies and garbage is what that bitch is about but what really needs to be done is having her face exposed to all and sundry.
I feel the Laveyan approach is needed with this Neo Nazi cult, we need to avoid mentioning them because if we do we just give them astral power. And another thing, THE ANGELS are more powerful than any ‘father’ satan who must be just a demon cos the Real Satan will not waste time with her.
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:59 pm

Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Maxine got attacked by her lovely NeoNazis cos this is the only way she will learn the REAL TRUTH. By the way I do not endorse violence of any kind but she is someone who deserves it and I know some people know exactly who she is and they will expose her ugly face to everyone, so that we can see the most strangest Neo Nazi there is. Another thing, those medidations do more harm than good and please go the the proper sources instead and read up on the Diana Vera webpage. Oh I wish more info was on there, and I support her more than the old Nazi Hag. Maybe she must of been in Germany in her previous life and she is hankering for that life, but just for the record the real Satan will not waste time with her, he would rather spend time with Lady Gaga or President Obama instead [zomg]
A good link to readhttp://web.archive.org/web/201001132018 … edietrich/
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby thestudyingalchemist » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:38 am

Honestly it really freaks me out that a neo-nazi group claim themselves satanist… No but seriously isn’t there enough stereotypes about satanism?! I still don’t understand how can a neonazi group claim themselves satanist it seems just so contradictive I mean. But anyway I’m very surprise that they are caus just by looking at their main pages it doesn’t seem that they are nazis (but surelly antisémitic)… But I guess that thats how they slowly manipulate people. Before this post the only thing that really made me doubt about them was first that they are very neutral when talking about nazism, example in one of their text about “the origin of satanism”, I mean they usualy accused the religions about stolling elements but about nazis they just said in this case “the most known example is the nazi germanic sigil” or something like that. Of course they were other examples like their symbologies explaination with the nazi “skull and bones” and the “black sun” wich is also an element from the nazi occultism. It really disapoint me anyway…

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:58 pm

I am going to confess to something here, I actually go to the JoS website for ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES only, and that woman is making me laugh a lot. Another thing I will say is that I feel kind of sorry for her in some ways but honestly she needs to have her photo etc shown to all and sundry on the Internet LOL.
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:45 pm

Here is one link to show all and sundry what the JoS stands for, and there are some people in FB who knows exactly what she looks like etc and will show all and sundry her photograph and detail on the net. A neo nazi who is of mixed race like Maxine make me laugh a lot! but reading more about what the JoS is making me avoid that site for good. I do not give a shit if she is ‘knowledgable’ etc, all she is to me is Nazi scum and what is disturbing is that she is mind controlling teens and youngsters into her way of thinking. [mad]

This is what the JoS endorses

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/holo.html

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:41 am

Something else for you all to look into, and this is what the Joke of Satan claims never existed because they are just bastards acting all tough behind a computer monitor. I will go to other websites for my entertainment and in some ways the JoS website is on par with those filthy Conspricarcy sites which tend to attract many Neo Nazis, etc.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso … ictoc.html

Look at this website and then ask yourself where the Holocaust happened or not, but I have heard that this ‘woman’ has a lot of youngsters being made into High Priests etc because they are easy to mind control. I would rather go to Diana Vera or Caroline Bright’s website instead, because the energies are better and as for Maxine, her days of acting the big ‘I am’ is finished. BITCH!!! I would pay good money for her to say all these things on a TV show in front of an audience which incld jews, blacks, and other PROPER Occultists but she will not cos she is just a hasbeen with an internet connection. Oh and another thing, Himmler would put her first in the queue for the gas chambers cos she is not totally white. A disgrace to the Native Americans is she. [mad]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:14 am

Asurendra wrote:Ain666 seems to have left the Forum, otherwise I am sure he would be happy to engage you in long and intricate doctrinal analysis akin to the Pharisaical disputations between the Calvinist and Arminian sects over such matters as Predestination.

*Armenian

Anytime.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Asurendra » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:20 am

Armenian?

Wrong, please note:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arminianism

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:36 am

Asurendra wrote:Armenian?

Wrong, please note:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arminianism

“Arminianism is based on the theological ideas of the previously Dutch Reformed theologian Jacobus Arminius (1560–1609) and his historic supporters known as the Remonstrants. His teachings, however, departed from the Sovereign Grace teaching of the Reformers and as such he cannot be regarded as Reformed. Jacobus Arminius (Jacobus Hermanszoon) was a student of Beza (successor of Calvin) at the Theological University of Geneva. It is known as a soteriological sect of Protestant Christianity.[1] Dutch Arminianism was originally articulated in the Remonstrance (1610), a theological statement signed by 45 ministers and submitted to the States-General of the Netherlands. The Synod of Dort (1618–19) was called by the States General to consider the Five Articles of Remonstrance. They asserted that:

election (and condemnation on the day of judgment) was conditioned by the rational faith or nonfaith of man;
the Atonement, while qualitatively adequate for all men, is efficacious only for the man of faith;
unaided by the Holy Spirit, no person is able to respond to God’s will;
grace is resistible; and
believers are able to resist sin but are not beyond the possibility of falling from grace.”

Stop following the thread when jimmies started getting rustled, so I’m not sure what that has to do with the “hurr durr I love Hitler and Satan” of JoS, unless the thread has turned into something else [thumbup]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:10 pm

Ain, I understand where you are coming from and believe it or not, I too was once an avid reader of the site before I found out that the Old Hag was married to the Ex Leader of the NSM Clifford Herrington. Just a few days ago I found out that visiting that site (some blogs do this!) will put extra coins in the pockets of those bastards and those donations pay for their bills, groceries, and also the NeoNazi cause. I do not fund fascists, and I do not give a damn who knowledgable they claim they are in matters of Medidation, Demon Evocation, and so on.
Maxine Dietrich may have the aura that she is well written but remember all those articles on her website are copy/paste jobs from Llewllyn books, bemyastrologer.com, Franz Bardon, etc and please under no circumstances do those medidations because they are more harmful than good.
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Debunking the Joy of Satan: An Alternative Perspective

Postby mmlozza » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:32 am

I know this thread dried out a while ago but I have some views I’d like to add….

I’ve been trying to find my own path for a while now, and a lot of the stuff regarding Spiritual Satanism on this site makes sense to me. I’ve looked into stuff by Anton La Vey and Don Webb, and most things Left Hand Path-related. Everyone has their own individual take on the type of deities they are worshipping. I dedicated my soul to Satan the other day, but I didn’t use candles and I didn’t sign my name in blood, precisely for the reason given on the site that said blood sacrifices aren’t needed. A lot of the information is contradictory given the evidence that others have presented, but how many of us have the answers to everything? If everyone’s truth is subjective, they can only present it as they have found it: when they reach a certain point of initiation they then, as most organisations seem to advocate, try to pass their teachings onto others to “spread the word” and “enlighten people”. In my opinion, what matters is what you take from the collection of knowledge that’s out there and how it makes you feel. People can postulate about death, reincarnation and rebirth and all that stuff til they’re blue in the face, but it’s an individual experience and we’ll never truly know until we die. I now believe Satan is the creator god because most of what I’ve read marries up and answers questions in my mind about the Christian god, and what the alternative is. I’m happy with this and feel no need to question it further. Truth is what you make of it, and everyone’s is different. If you get to the end of your life and it turns out you were wrong, well, you’ll surely deal with it then.
I have found a path that fits with my view of the world, and I now intend to follow it (Spiritual Satanism, not JoS. I am not a JoS member.) I’m still struggling to put myself into a trance as the only time for true peace and quiet is after midnight, but I’ll get there. I have to! I respect the views of everyone on this site and welcome opposition to what I’ve said. We’re all trying to find our way, people will disagree and agree with what is said, some more strongly than others, but it doesn’t mean we’re any less or more wrong or right.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby oldspirit » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:16 pm

“Hitler was a christian and if you were a satanist you would be gassed like the jews” you had me all the way up to this point.

Have you ever heard of Martin Bormann, The Third Reich Leader in 1933 and the man who took Rudolph Hess spot as the Head of the Party Chancellery.
Or what about the Anti-Church Campaign that Borrman, Himmler, and Rosenberg (all high ranking SS officers) pushed, this would NOT have happend without Hitlers approval.
I dont care what he said in his speeches about being a christian, he was not one and neither was any top authority in the Nazi Party

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby oldspirit » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:18 pm

Parvati wrote:Ain, I understand where you are coming from and believe it or not, I too was once an avid reader of the site before I found out that the Old Hag was married to the Ex Leader of the NSM Clifford Herrington. Just a few days ago I found out that visiting that site (some blogs do this!) will put extra coins in the pockets of those bastards and those donations pay for their bills, groceries, and also the NeoNazi cause. I do not fund fascists, and I do not give a damn who knowledgable they claim they are in matters of Medidation, Demon Evocation, and so on.
Maxine Dietrich may have the aura that she is well written but remember all those articles on her website are copy/paste jobs from Llewllyn books, bemyastrologer.com, Franz Bardon, etc and please under no circumstances do those medidations because they are more harmful than good.

No Way! im with you on that. Any group that wants to restrict freedoms or civil liberties i want no part of. Her website seemed very sincere and informative, then i watched some of her you tube videos and felt nothing but hate, anger, rage, and negative energy. That cant be healthy or good for a spiritual awakening.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby JonChang » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:23 pm

oldspirit wrote:

Parvati wrote:Ain, I understand where you are coming from and believe it or not, I too was once an avid reader of the site before I found out that the Old Hag was married to the Ex Leader of the NSM Clifford Herrington. Just a few days ago I found out that visiting that site (some blogs do this!) will put extra coins in the pockets of those bastards and those donations pay for their bills, groceries, and also the NeoNazi cause. I do not fund fascists, and I do not give a damn who knowledgable they claim they are in matters of Medidation, Demon Evocation, and so on.
Maxine Dietrich may have the aura that she is well written but remember all those articles on her website are copy/paste jobs from Llewllyn books, bemyastrologer.com, Franz Bardon, etc and please under no circumstances do those medidations because they are more harmful than good.

No Way! im with you on that. Any group that wants to restrict freedoms or civil liberties i want no part of. Her website seemed very sincere and informative, then i watched some of her you tube videos and felt nothing but hate, anger, rage, and negative energy. That cant be healthy or good for a spiritual awakening.

If someone were to curse you, wouldn’t you be angry at them lol? Or you believe in all that new age “love, we’re all one” BS?

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:32 pm

I thought I was banned, but I suppose my suspension was cancelled.

When I was younger I felt like I had to oppose both Christianity and modern Satanism. Modern “Satanists” were non-religious and, most of the times, uneducated leftists using several names (like “Azazel”) without even taking the time to read the books these names were derived from. They keep praising Azazel, whilst the book of Enoch, from whence the name of this demon was drawn, states that Satan will be punishing the sinners who left their celestial place as… common sinners. They are not treated by the LORD, the One called Satan and the Devil, as His angels are. He will be torturing them for ages and ages, amen.

Anyway, because of this blind ignorance of the neo-satanists, I was acting as if I was a Nazist just to provoke them back then. They have taboos, you see, even though they claim Satanism is about not having any taboos whatsoever, they have taboos against the scapegoats of this age (Nazism wouldn’t be so bad to consider if the Soviet Union and America hadn’t won, would it?), and one of them is the taboo against Nazism. If you are an individualist, why would you care if someone hates some kinds of people? (Although Nazism is not really about hatred)

So, I ended up feeling I was agreeing with J.o.S. (although I didn’t really know J.o.S. itself yet). In the end, I had a destructive argument with the “Satanists” of J.o.S. I was communicating with, even though they seemed to agree with me at the beginning. Why? Because of their stupidity and the disturbing fact that they mix up occultism and Satanism with politics. So, I came to the conclusion that I wasn’t a Nazist after all, I just wanted to oppose everyone who was mixing politics with Satanism, including the ones mixing feminism, homosexuality and anti-racism with it. So, in the end, I had trouble (well, the trouble was theirs to handle, since I prevailed) with the nationalist “Satanists” as well.

Ok. Of course the stuff about “aliens” etcetera is purely stupid, but back then they didn’t make so stupid statements, so I never opposed them because of that.

And, just to get this straight, I have no problem with Nazism. In fact, I do believe in the difference of psychology according to one’s race, and I don’t have any problem with someone hating a race or a part of people just because of their ideology, I’m just stating that Satanism has nothing to do with politics, and both the atheistic and the theistic and the so called “traditional Satanists” do mess up with politics. So, for me, they are just opportunists and not Satanists. This whole thing is more intense in my mind now that I have a personal conflict with Azazel (he seems to be waiting for me to be weak enough in order to drain energy from me, no matter how many times I exorcise him in the Name of Satan).

For a Satanist is the one who praises the LORD, the Wicked One of the Bible. Period.

During my last conflict with Azazel he won because of the pills I had consumed which caused me not to be able to speak fluently and use my energy to banish him, but “I shall see him at Philippi”…

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby EternalReturn » Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:08 pm

I would like to know if you’re from Europe?

It’s because I am and I’ve heard from older people about horrors of Nazi rule, and it is definitely something to have a problem with. Have you seen the film Schindler’s List? One of the co-creators was a Croatian man Branko Lustig who has felt, seen and was in the midst of the events, and a lot of things that you can see in the movie are real situations which came from Lustig’s experience. If you haven’t I recommend it.

edit: I will not continue this discussion because I know that this is a path to a fuckin’ abbys

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:49 pm

thought I was banned, but I suppose my suspension was cancelled.

Nope,there was no ban or suspension on your account that I’m aware of.

I can’t see any mod notes regarding this either.

Why did you think you were banned?

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:09 pm

Nahemah wrote:

thought I was banned, but I suppose my suspension was cancelled.

Nope,there was no ban or suspension on your account that I’m aware of.

I can’t see any mod notes regarding this either.

Why did you think you were banned?

Every time I was trying to log in I read I cannot do it for I am suspended because of spam and giving false information about myself. Something like that.

EternalReturn wrote:I would like to know if you’re from Europe?

It’s because I am and I’ve heard from older people about horrors of Nazi rule, and it is definitely something to have a problem with. Have you seen the film Schindler’s List? One of the co-creators was a Croatian man Branko Lustig who has felt, seen and was in the midst of the events, and a lot of things that you can see in the movie are real situations which came from Lustig’s experience. If you haven’t I recommend it.

edit: I will not continue this discussion because I know that this is a path to a fuckin’ abbys

Yes, I am from Europe and I’ve watched Schindler’s List. It focuses on the Jews. So, why should I care? Jerusalaim Chel Zahav was a good song by the way. And, yes, I’ve heard of those horrors too, but I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers. Although it seems I’m getting somewhere right now that I stopped searching for books that modern and opportunistic “Satanists” purposely want to silence for their pacific and individualistic goals.

What are you expecting from a Diabolist? To protest against crime and inhumanity? I’m not a humanist. (And, by the way, an ideology isn’t judged through its crimes, but through its original beliefs)

I suggest you watch “Thanatomorphose” and “The Fly”. They are much more inspiring than Schindler’s List when it comes to (fictional) horror.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Ramscha » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:21 pm

Klavier wrote:
And, by the way, an ideology isn’t judged through its crimes, but through its original beliefs

And by what people make out of them by following those ways…

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:39 pm

Warned users

This is a list of users with unexpired warnings issued to them.

No warnings exist.

I am suspended because of spam and giving false information about myself. Something like that.

Not so,above is the warning log entry,all active warnings/supensions show in the log for one month after issue,so your name would be there with the reason for infraction if you had recently been supended/banned.

You are ether confused or lying or it’s another account you’re talking about, which I probably have banned.

Do carry on.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby EternalReturn » Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:55 pm

Klavier wrote:

EternalReturn wrote:I would like to know if you’re from Europe?

It’s because I am and I’ve heard from older people about horrors of Nazi rule, and it is definitely something to have a problem with. Have you seen the film Schindler’s List? One of the co-creators was a Croatian man Branko Lustig who has felt, seen and was in the midst of the events, and a lot of things that you can see in the movie are real situations which came from Lustig’s experience. If you haven’t I recommend it.

edit: I will not continue this discussion because I know that this is a path to a fuckin’ abbys

Yes, I am from Europe and I’ve watched Schindler’s List. It focuses on the Jews. So, why should I care? Jerusalaim Chel Zahav was a good song by the way. And, yes, I’ve heard of those horrors too, but I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers. Although it seems I’m getting somewhere right now that I stopped searching for books that modern and opportunistic “Satanists” purposely want to silence for their pacific and individualistic goals.

What are you expecting from a Diabolist? To protest against crime and inhumanity? I’m not a humanist. (And, by the way, an ideology isn’t judged through its crimes, but through its original beliefs)

I suggest you watch “Thanatomorphose” and “The Fly”. They are much more inspiring than Schindler’s List when it comes to (fictional) horror.

I will, thank you for suggestion.

But I have to ask, concerning morality and such what are your thoughts?

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:31 am

Nahemah wrote:

Warned users

This is a list of users with unexpired warnings issued to them.

No warnings exist.

I am suspended because of spam and giving false information about myself. Something like that.

Not so,above is the warning log entry,all active warnings/supensions show in the log for one month after issue,so your name would be there with the reason for infraction if you had recently been supended/banned.

You are ether confused or lying or it’s another account you’re talking about, which I probably have banned.

Do carry on.

I said I wasn’t allowed to login. Every time I was trying there was this white message under my username and password.

EternalReturn wrote:

Klavier wrote:

EternalReturn wrote:I would like to know if you’re from Europe?

It’s because I am and I’ve heard from older people about horrors of Nazi rule, and it is definitely something to have a problem with. Have you seen the film Schindler’s List? One of the co-creators was a Croatian man Branko Lustig who has felt, seen and was in the midst of the events, and a lot of things that you can see in the movie are real situations which came from Lustig’s experience. If you haven’t I recommend it.

edit: I will not continue this discussion because I know that this is a path to a fuckin’ abbys

Yes, I am from Europe and I’ve watched Schindler’s List. It focuses on the Jews. So, why should I care? Jerusalaim Chel Zahav was a good song by the way. And, yes, I’ve heard of those horrors too, but I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers. Although it seems I’m getting somewhere right now that I stopped searching for books that modern and opportunistic “Satanists” purposely want to silence for their pacific and individualistic goals.

What are you expecting from a Diabolist? To protest against crime and inhumanity? I’m not a humanist. (And, by the way, an ideology isn’t judged through its crimes, but through its original beliefs)

I suggest you watch “Thanatomorphose” and “The Fly”. They are much more inspiring than Schindler’s List when it comes to (fictional) horror.

I will, thank you for suggestion.

But I have to ask, concerning morality and such what are your thoughts?

Similar with the ones I have about Christianity: “Diabolus est Deus inversus”

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:56 pm

This whole alien theory and daring to call the LORD a Nephelim is outrageous. I hope Maxine shall die really painfully for her blasphemy and pay a visit to the “Nephelim” down there for her flesh to be sharpened on fiery wheels whilst she’s still alive. Apropos, the one speaking on their videos cannot be Maxine. From what I understand, Maxine has to be an old ugly whore who claims to be a Nazi whilst she is not even white, so it’s pretty unlikely that she has such a young voice and this kind of accent.
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby manofsands » Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:32 am

Klavier wrote:I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers.

Would it be presumptuous to assume you’ve had a lot of pain and unhappiness in your life?

There should be obviously expected responses to such posts. Which would indicate a desire for such responses.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:19 pm

manofsands wrote:

Klavier wrote:I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers.

Would it be presumptuous to assume you’ve had a lot of pain and unhappiness in your life?

There should be obviously expected responses to such posts. Which would indicate a desire for such responses.

Hi

I didn’t know this is a psychology forum. But, no, I was never really unhappy and I was claiming to be Satanist since I was seven because of my sympathy for the LORD. I had no idea that today’s Satanism is crawling on pseudo-moralistic and politically correct businesses made for money, sex or political propaganda.

It Began in 2006 — The National Socialist Movement Implodes (Joy of Satan Exposed)

The National Socialist Movement Implodes

Intelligence Report, Fall 2006, Issue Number:  123

It couldn’t have been scripted any better in Tinsel Town. After surging ahead of the sieg-heiling pack in membership and notoriety, the “Hollywood Nazis” of the National Socialist Movement have imploded in a debacle featuring hate-radio jocks, anti-racist provocateurs, superhuman egos, allegations of underage sex, and Satan.

The party’s problems began last June, when Citizens Against Hate discovered that NSM’s Tulsa post office box was shared by The Joy of Satan Ministry, in which the wife of NSM chairman emeritus Clifford Herrington is High Priestess. Knowing that NSM ally and hate-radio host Hal Turner was a Catholic-raised convert to the white supremacist theology of Christian Identity, the anti-racist group decided to plant a metaphorical banana peel under NSM’s unsuspecting jackboot.

In early July, Citizens Against Hate member “Tony Willow” called in to Turner’s show (that night featuring NSM Minister of Information Michael Blevins) and informed him of the Satanic connection. The hate-jock took the bait. On July 3, Turner posted a message on his website declaring that unless NSM severed all connections to Satanism, the group would no longer have access to free or discounted air time on the Turner Radio Network. Within NSM ranks, meanwhile, a bitter debate was sparked over the propriety of Herrington’s Joy of Satan connections.

Appearing on cue to keep things rolling was none other than Bill White, the irascible and pompous 29-year-old NSM media handler and veteran of extremist causes and groups across the left-right spectrum. As Citizens Against Hate had hoped, White responded to Turner with a snap and a snarl, both defending Mrs. Herrington’s membership in the Joy of Satan — “Her religious views are very similar to the Radical Traditionalism and Aryan Paganism shared by most of the NSM’s leadership,” he wrote — and questioning Turner’s motives for threatening the NSM.

The real reason for Turner’s attack, White strongly implied, was money. “Turner,” White wrote, “has been needing additional cash to maintain his radio network for several months, and has been negotiating for additional fees from the NSM for several weeks.”

In response to White’s rebuttal, a furious Turner promptly cancelled NSM’s program. “This man,” wrote Turner of White, “[has] wrecked the NSM radio show on the biggest pro-white media outlet in the world. How much more damage is Bill going to be allowed to do before somebody puts a stop to it?”

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NSM Chairman Jeff Schoep took the question seriously. Schoep soon suspended White in an attempt to muzzle him and put an end to his prolific Internet rants, which increasingly took aim at both Turner and Christian Identity, the Aryan-Jesus cult claimed by many NSM members.

Though self-defeating from a movement perspective, White’s impolitic attacks on Christian Identity shouldn’t have surprised anyone familiar with his career. The outbursts were just a loud return to form for the ex-anarchist and inveterate iconoclast. Just as White had rebelled against local police and his teachers as a teenager, he lashed out against Shoep’s suspension order and increased his attacks. Schoep then expelled White. “Instead of choosing to correct his behavior,” explained Shoep of the quick escalation from suspension to expulsion, “Bill chose to rebel against the NSM rules of conduct. Instead of adjusting to discipline and taking the moral high ground, Bill has demanded apologies.”

With White still squealing in the background, Schoep moved ahead with damage-control operations by nudging chairman emeritus Herrington from his position under the cover of “attending to personal matters.” But it was too late to stop NSM Minister of Radio and Information Michael Blevins, aka Vonbluvens, from following White out of the party, citing disgust with Herrington’s Joy of Satan ties. “Satanism,” declared Blevins in his resignation letter, “affects the whole prime directive guiding the [NSM] — SURVIVAL OF THE WHITE RACE.”

Following his expulsion, White wasted no time before drafting a hilariously self-important declaration of independence, which opened with a racist twist on Thomas Jefferson’s famous prose: “When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for a group of Aryans to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with one another, and to assume among white people that separate station to which their race entitles them…” Et cetera. And then: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that Adolf Hitler was the living instrument of God on Earth, that he was endowed by the Creator with the qualities of our ancient Heroes, and that the movement which he founded is the only means by which white people can possess life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

Nine hundred words later, White concluded by solemnly announcing the formation of “the American National Socialist Workers Party” and naming himself commander. He claimed the allegiance of more than 130 current and former NSM leaders and members.

Though White almost surely exaggerated this figure, NSM was now a Noticeably Smaller Movement, one trailed in extremist circles by a strong whiff of Satanism and related charges of sexual impropriety associated with Joy of Satan initiation rites and curiously strong teen recruitment efforts.

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Bill White

As he seeks to rebuild his weakened organization, Shoep no doubt rues the day he accepted Bill White into the NSM fold. In his letter explaining White’s expulsion, he admitted that “literally countless individuals and groups warned us he would stab us in the back the first time something didn’t go his way.” White’s track record was so bad that even at the apex of NSM glory, after it sparked nationally covered race riots in Toledo, Ohio, last October, the anti-fascist One People’s Project held a poll asking how long it would take Bill White to destroy the group from within. More than a third of respondents said less than a year.

It shouldn’t have taken outside consultants or polls to show that Bill White was organizational poison. The slumlord from Roanoke, Va., has a lengthy record of disruptive behavior and very little history of taking orders or staying “on message” for long, especially as required in a top-down neofascist organization like the NSM — which is why White probably isn’t too bothered by his apparently bleak future in the world of the organized radical right.

To adopt the language and tone of White’s Declaration of the American National Socialist Workers’ Party: Prudence dictates that the fact of White’s unpopularity and irrelevance be now submitted to a candid world.

National Socialist Movement Implodes Amid Allegations of Satanism (2006 by Bigots_Suck (bigots_suck) Live Journal)

The following article (behind cut) is borrowed from the website of our friends at One People’s Project. Since this article was posted Bill White has started his own Nazi group, the American National Socialist Workers Party, and has appointed himself commander of this fledgling group, or has been appointed such by the sycophants who followed him in the wake of his exodus from the National Socialist Movement.

One of the websites for the ANSWP contains the following statement, which we think is hilarious. (It also is further evidence of the often bizarre world that is the white supremacist movement.):

“On July 18, 2006, 21 former state and unit leaders of the National Socialist Movement, along with 96 comrades, declared a break with Jeffrey Schoep and his National Socialist Movement, having cited him for numerous offenses against the party, not the least of which was his continued patronizing of convicted sex offenders, his own personal checkered history, and his 15-year lond relationship with the former Chairman, Cliff Herrington, who was married to a non-white woman and actively engaged in Satan worship – Satan worship which included sexual acts with young teenagers.”

The first issue of the ANSWP’s magazine, National Socialist, features a full-color photo of White, in all his pudgy glory, on the cover. (You can see it behind the cut.)

http://onepeoplesproject.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=995&Itemid=2

As you probably already know, the latest chapter in the Misadventures of Bill White is coming to a close. A guy who always swore off joining groups, he joined the National Socialist Movement (NSM) sometime in the spring of last year, and quickly made himself the center of NSM attention. Now we are talking about a group who has nothing but misfits and criminals among the leadership, let alone the ranks, including a convicted sex offender who was running the Indiana chapter. When Bill signed on, we just thought this was going to be too easy for us. Back in October, when the NSM sparked that riot in Toledo, we had a poll asking how long would it be before they went the way of all the other hate groups. 39.9% said a little more than three years if they’re lucky, 37% said less than a year, 11% said one year, while 3.7% and 3.5 said two and three years respectively. To those that gave them a little more than three years, you don’t know Bill White the way we know Bill White!

The recent infighting that led to the expulsion of Bill White from the NSM was something that came about courtesy of the antifa cabal that is One People’s Project, One People’s Radio, and Citizens Against Hate! All Tony Willow of CAH had to do is simply get hold of Hal Turner and tell him something a little unsettling about NSM, namely that the wife of Chairman Clifford Herrington is involved in Satanism, and that the p.o. box of her organization, the Joy of Satan is also the one that the NSM uses! Turner is Catholic, and every now and then claims Christian Identity as well, so this was a little too much for him. He gets into a argument with Bill, and Bill talks trash on him on [his website] Overthrow[.com], which also meant trashing Christian Identity. THAT meant pissing off people he didn’t mean to piss off, who responded by calling Bill out, which meant Bill had to trash THEM on Overthrow, and when the NSM tried to reign him in, he went after THEM, and the rest –and Bill – is history. In other words, we manipulated the living HELL out of these morons! We didn’t lie, we didn’t suggest anything illegal be done, facts were presented, and that was all it took. Citizens Against Hate has compiled all of this for your reading enjoyment, and all the NSM players are definitely keeping everything going, so we will keep having developments. One development that came out of this was a revelation: John Snyder, that Indiana State Leader we mentioned, has been allowed back into the NSM! That means Bill White was the least of their problems, and they will soon go back into the obscurity that they enjoyed before he went rally crazy. We so love summertime Nazi blues!
Citizens Against Hate

Developments continue to occur in this bizarre tale of witches and the NSM, and just a little while ago, Jeff Schoep, Commander of the National Socialist Movement, issued the following statements on the events as they occurred:

nsmworld@yahoogroups.com
From: “Commander NSM” < nsmcommander@hotmail.com >
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:41:14 -0500
Subject: [nsmworld] Expulsion of disruptive element from NSM

Comrades,

NS greetings, as some of you know last night Chairman Herrington and I suspended Bill White from the NSM, asking him to reign in his disruptive behavior, cease attacks on various Religions, and other Pro-White Organizations. All NSM members are held to certain standards, and Bill was repeatedly breaking the rules of conduct, basically ignoring rules, and regulations set in place by the NSM. The suspension was meant to inforce those rules, and let Bill know that he could not simply engage in whatever destructive, antagonistic behavior he chose.

Instead of choosing to correct the disruptive behavior and lying, Bill chose to rebel against the NSM rules of conduct. In his rebellion of one, he goes on to level baseless attacks on my charachter, and others he wrongly feels were trying to oust him, and attempting fruitlessly to pull others down into the fray.

The truth of the matter is, Bill would not adhear to NSM rules and regulations. Instead of adjusting to discipline and taking the moral high ground Bill has demanded apologies, and made other demands.

The Party does not respond to demands, and did not respond to the demand that we purge Bill White from the Party by literally countless individuals and groups that warned us he would stab us in the back. I have always been one to give people a fair chance to prove themselves, and I was warned that Bill would stab us in the back the first time something didn’t go his way. His suspension was a test of his Loyalty, his actions after the suspension prove he is not Loyal to the NSM, its members, or its Leaders.

The end result is the expulsion of Bill White from the Party.

The NSM expects its members to be Loyal and trustworthy, without Loyalty or trust you have nothing, and are nothing. With that being said, I suggest everyone else gets back to work and focuses on the positive work of the NSM, and turn a blind eye to the rumour mill of disruption and antagonism.

Everything is a question mark these days with the NSM–but in a rather expected, yet comical move, Bill White claims to have resigned from the National Socialist Movement today. Citing the weakness of Jeff Schoep, being told what to print and what to remove, and an ongoing attack from Richard Brunson, April Braun Patterson, and, of all people, John Snyder to oust him, Bill stepped down and promised to go back to running Overthrow.com full time.

Instead of choosing to correct the disruptive behavior and lying, Bill chose to rebel against the NSM rules of conduct. In his rebellion of one, he goes on to level baseless attacks on my charachter, and others he wrongly feels were trying to oust him, and attempting fruitlessly to pull others down into the fray.

The truth of the matter is, Bill would not adhear to NSM rules and regulations. Instead of adjusting to discipline and taking the moral high ground Bill has demanded apologies, and made other demands.

The Party does not respond to demands, and did not respond to the demand that we purge Bill White from the Party by literally countless individuals and groups that warned us he would stab us in the back. I have always been one to give people a fair chance to prove themselves, and I was warned that Bill would stab us in the back the first time something didn’t go his way. His suspension was a test of his Loyalty, his actions after the suspension prove he is not Loyal to the NSM, its members, or its Leaders.

The end result is the expulsion of Bill White from the Party.

The NSM expects its members to be Loyal and trustworthy, without Loyalty or trust you have nothing, and are nothing. With that being said, I suggest everyone else gets back to work and focuses on the positive work of the NSM, and turn a blind eye to the rumour mill of disruption and antagonism.</blockquote>

Everything is a question mark these days with the NSM – but in a rather expected, yet comical move, Bill White claims to have resigned from the National Socialist Movement today. Citing the weakness of Jeff Schoep, being told what to print and what to remove, and an ongoing attack from Richard Brunson, April Braun Patterson, and, of all people, John Snyder to oust him, Bill stepped down and promised to go back to running Overthrow.com full time.

As we knew would happen, the Satanist news sent shock-waves through the NSM rank-and-file and has rancored many of the members who adhere to Christian Identity. Bill White’s harrangue on Christian Identity being “stupid” and only 10% of the believers being worthy of his friendship along with other remarks, certainly caused him to lose favor with many long-time members.

As Citizens Against Hate and One People’s Radio were the first to bring you the news of a connection between the National Socialist Movement and Satanism, we are happy to see that we have been hugely instrumental in causing the dissention and the resignation of the Spokesperson and other members.

The events, as they unfold, should provide us with a lot of entertainment – and the issue of Satanism and the Chairman is a long way from being dead. Stay tuned because it ain’t over till it’s over.

Someone anonymous pointed out that not all Satanist are nazis. There are many Satanists who oppose neo-nazis. Here’s a link to a page full of informative and educational articles that is well worth reading! Amongst the articles you’ll even find this National Socialist Movement tidbit:

“Even Clifford Herrington, husband of Joy of Satan founder Maxine Dietrich, once made a speech about how the U.S.A. should be home only to “white European Christians!” (Here’s an audio file containing a brief excerpt.) Herrington was chairman of the National Socialist Movement (NSM), which, according to the Anti-Defamation League, was “America’s Largest Neo-Nazi Group” as of June 2006. Only a month later, the NSM fell apart when Clifford Herrington’s connection to the Joy of Satan Ministries became public knowledge. (See Nazis Falling on the website of the Southern Poverty Law Center.) The most popular religion among neo-Nazis and other extremist White Nationalists, at least here in the U.S.A., is Christian Identity. For more about neo-Nazism’s natural affinity for the more intolerant forms of Christianity, see my separate article on Nazism and Christianity.”

http://theisticsatanism.com/politics/Nazi/

Has anyone seen the video of Hilter’s speech promoting Christianity? LMAO

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