How to Tell When HoodedCobrastein is Screwing with Your Yahoo! Group Posts: X-eGroups-Edited-By: crocobra2411@…

Mr. Bernstein doesn’t like it when users don’t obey him. He’s a man-child, around 26 years old give or take, and he’s full of rage. Keep in mind, this is a guy that is not only half Jewish, but fucked a Jewish girl whose father is a Rabbi. He’s done everything the Joy of Satan would have his head for. His only outlet is to post rambling hate speeches that he calls “sermons” and to edit user posts when he feels they don’t fly with him.

View the source. This is what you’ll see when hooded_stickyhands screws with user posts to make them look bad. Most Jos members are teenagers, so they don’t even think for a second that anyone would bother to mess with posts. Hoody is also responsible for those “Yahoo! glitches” — those whoospies he claims are Yahoo’s Jew fault for posts not going through. That’s just him sitting there with one hand in his Hanes underwear pocket and the other editing ignorant and naive user posts.

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This is an example of an edited post:

I Have The Truth
Message 10 of 15 , Nov 2, 2016

I wish Joy of Satan accepted jews but you do not. So I am angry that I don’t feel welcomed here…Just can’t stand the Nazism. Also don’t call him ‘S-t-n’. His name is Enki. Satan sounds a bit scary. Enkiism at least accept jews like the CoS and all other organizations. Bye then. I will go join them instead and not this bigoted place.

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Click “View Source” and you see what he’s done. You won’t see this on regular posts, because he doesn’t edit them. Pretty easy to understand, right? No lies, no mysteries, just plain outright sneaky sabotage by the second rat of JoS.

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Another example of edited content to dupe JoS members into thinking their fellow members have posted things they have not:
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171728  Lol, to the JoS, I tried

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  • richardlesterhailsatan11
    Nov 9, 2016
    I created this thoughform by my own drug use and foolishness and now I blame Satan for it.
    I am very weak and a disgusting person, and i have been doing meth. meth caused me psychosis and now after 7 years of being supposedly dedicated, i blame Satan for supposedly sticking a thoughform on me. Been spamming the group for months. I always blame shift to Satan and the gods and I have attacked the JoS without reasons in the past but blaming them for my own weakness and inferiority. I also think I am jewish. What to do?
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The only nutcase here is HoodedCobra, or as we like to lovingly call him, hoodedpenileimplant666 or UncircumcisedTrouserSnake999, though we highly doubt the young man-child is unsnipped. He’s snipped for sure, with a last name such as Bernstein and given the area he lived in 7 years ago (Jews, Jews and more Jews).

There are so many examples of this immature child’s little game played upon unsuspecting users in the Yahoo! Groups, but no more. Word is out, and he will now have to edit regular posts, all the posts or no posts in order to try to make himself appear as if this is all a ruse…and folks, it’s not. The truth sucks, doesn’t it, for those in the Joy of Satan, that is. HoodedHalfJewishGardenSnake666 gets off by editing user comments. Fact.

UPDATE: I have to change the sentence above which states “The only nutcase here is HoodedCobra…” because Richard Lester, aka richardlesterhailsatan11 aka “Joy of Satan Testimonial” on YouTube is apparently psychotic, suffering from some serious paranoid delusions and not at all bashful about sharing his paranoia on YouTube. He thinks everyone is a Jew and that he’s got a thoughform stuck on him.
He’s going to have a lot more to worry about than a thought form.
He has stepped in a pile of shit.

170715  To the JoS ministry

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  • richardlesterhailsatan11
    Oct 19, 2016

    I am a nutcase and I have been blaming others for it. I want forgiveness.

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There you go, folks.

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This is Richard “My Jesus Christ UFO Testimonials” YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcn17wcIfEDBctRuSirxvEg/videos
He is most likely a teenager, as you will be able to tell from his voice and his behavior. In one video he starts talking, then stops to yell at what sounds like his mom. He flips out on a family member who steps into his room and interrupts his little video-making time and he yells at them, with no respect all. He deserves an ass-whooping, or possibly to get the fuck out of the house and try living on his own! Anyway, let’s move on. Richie NutsUpstairs thinks Exposing the Joy of Satan is “working with the JoS. Yes you didn’t read that wrong, this little deluded kid thinks I would have anything to do with anyone from the JoS in any way, shape or form AND he thinks we have some connection. Laugh and catch your breath.
Anyone who knows the EtJOS knows it began on https://hungariancultistnazis.wordpress.com/ and knows there is no connection or collaboration with that cult of Nazis. We do not collaborate with brainwashed cult members that don’t grasp reality. Richard doesn’t grasp reality either. And neither does HoodedBernstein, not if he needs to edit user posts and still has yet to admit he did indeed sleep with a full-blooded Jew and enjoy it, and her father, a Rabbi, knows about it.
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Maxine Dietrich “IP Addresses and Hackers – Do not Worry.”

 

IP Addresses and Hackers – Do not Worry.

Nikki Kulas Enemy?? What "enemy" is MaxiPad talking about??  Delusional bitch! Like · Reply · January 22 at 12:33am Exposing the JOY of SATAN Exposing the JOY of SATAN And remember, this was 2011 from what I just saw! ~^.^~ Like · Reply · January 22 at 1:36am Nikki Kulas Nikki Kulas I know lol. MaxiPad still believes in the "enemy" to this day LOL!  Like · Reply · January 22 at 1:37am Exposing the JOY of SATAN Exposing the JOY of SATAN The enemy..."VERY JEWISH." LOL The funny thing is that other "HP" saying you can’t get anyone’s real IP when a user posts to Yahoo groups. Clearly the person is clueless about the source code, which is shown in these screenshots. Yes, there is the routing IP through Yahoo, but there is the originating IP and that one bit Andrea in the ass. I passed this to another admin days ago...we thought it was pretty funny stuff. Like · Reply · January 22 at 1:44am Nikki Kulas Nikki Kulas Yeah I noticed that. Made me laugh!  Like · Reply · January 22 at 1:54am Suzanne Hayes Write a reply... Choose File Chad Burgess Chad Burgess "Satanist Benjamin Franklin" The same Benjamin Franklin who said this; "I had been religiously educated as a Presbyterian; and tho' some of the dogmas of that persuasion, such as the eternal decrees of God, election, reprobation, etc., appeared to me unintelligible, others doubtful, and I early absented myself from the public assemblies of the sect, Sunday being my studying day, I never was without religious principles. I never doubted, for instance, the existence of the Deity; that he made the world, and govern'd it by his Providence; that the most acceptable service of God was the doing good to man; that our souls are immortal; and that all crime will be punished, and virtue rewarded, either here or hereafter."  At least she got the right person for the quote, even if the quote is butchered. Like · Reply · 2 · January 22 at 9:16pm

Nikki Kulas: Enemy?? What “enemy” is MaxiPad talking about?? Delusional bitch!

Exposing the JOY of SATAN: And remember, this was 2011 from what I just saw!
~^.^~

Nikki Kulas: I know lol. MaxiPad still believes in the “enemy” to this day LOL!

Exposing the JOY of SATAN: The enemy…”VERY JEWISH.” LOL
The funny thing is that other “HP” saying you can’t get anyone’s real IP when a user posts to Yahoo groups. Clearly the person is clueless about the source code, which is shown in these screenshots. Yes, there is the routing IP through Yahoo, but there is the originating IP and that one bit Andrea in the ass. I passed this to another admin days ago…we thought it was pretty funny stuff.

Nikki Kulas: Yeah I noticed that. Made me laugh!

Chad Burgess: “Satanist Benjamin Franklin” The same Benjamin Franklin who said this; “I had been religiously educated as a Presbyterian; and tho’ some of the dogmas of that persuasion, such as the eternal decrees of God, election, reprobation, etc., appeared to me unintelligible, others doubtful, and I early absented myself from the public assemblies of the sect, Sunday being my studying day, I never was without religious principles. I never doubted, for instance, the existence of the Deity; that he made the world, and govern’d it by his Providence; that the most acceptable service of God was the doing good to man; that our souls are immortal; and that all crime will be punished, and virtue rewarded, either here or hereafter.”
At least she got the right person for the quote, even if the quote is butchered.

2011

2011

IP Addresses. Do not worry. Even Mad Max forgets now and then.

IP Addresses. Do not worry. Even Mad Max forgets now and then. LOL

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Threatened with being “cursed” by the Joy of Satan members? Their sickly, negative energy clouding up your life and aura? Blast it away with a very powerful Ritual that can be done anywhere, anytime, by anyone..

Threatened with being “cursed” by the Joy of Satan members? Their sickly, negative energy clouding up your life and aura? Blast it away with a very powerful Ritual that can be done anywhere, any time, by anyone.. The Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram (LBRP). The LBRP calls upon Yahweh’s powerful Arch-Angels, Michael, Gabriel, Raphael and Auriel to cleanse the area around you as well as within you.

If you have any level of belief that Yahweh (The Christian God) can overpower the demons and forces of Hell, then this Ritual will be enhanced significantly. For those who do not believe the Christian God has any power, there is a Satanic Version AFTER this one, called the Lesser Absorbing Ritual of the Pentagram of Set (LARPS). Fight Fire with Fire, and call upon the Demonic Gods and Lords of Hell to cleanse the negative energy created by the false satanists… Pronunciation guides in parenthesizes = ( ) .

LBRP:
Take a steel dagger in the right hand (or use the index finger). Face EAST.

Perform the Kabbalistic Cross as follows:
Imagine, at the first word mentioned, a brilliant white light descending from above.

Touch the forehead and vibrate ATEH (Ah-Tah)
Imagine that same brilliant white light form a 6 inch diameter sphere just above the crown of your head.

Touch the middle of the solar plexus and vibrate MALKUTH (Mahl-kooth)
Imagine a shaft of light descending from the Crown Sphere and descend to the feet where another 6 inch sphere expands just under your feet.

Touch the right shoulder and vibrate VE-GEVURAH (Vay-Gay-VooRah)
Imagine a 6 inch sphere of brilliant white light appear just next to the right shoulder.

Touch the left shoulder and vibrate VE-GEDULAH (Vay-Gay-DooLah)
Imagine a shaft of light emerge from the right Sphere and cross your breast to expand and form another Sphere at your left shoulder.

Clasp the hands before you and vibrate LE-OLAHM (Lay-OhLom)
At this point imagine clearly the cross of light as it extends through your body.

Hands as before, with the dagger between fingers, point up, vibrate AMEN

A Banishing Earth Pentagram is just a 5-pointed star (no circle) that has a Single point UP and it starts at your lower left, draw the star ending where you began. (See the pictures)

Draw, in the air facing EAST, a banishing Earth Pentagram , and bringing the point of the dagger to the center of the Pentagram, vibrate the Name Y H V H (pronounced YAHD HEY VAU HEY)

Imagine that your voice carries forward to the LIMITS of the UNIVERSE.

Without moving the dagger in any other direction, trace a semicircle before you as you turn toward the SOUTH. Again trace the Pentagram, bring the dagger to the center of it, and vibrate the Name ADNI, (pronounced AH-DOH-NEYE)

Again, trace the semicircle with the dagger to the WEST, trace the Pentagram, bringing the dagger to the center, and vibrate the Name AHIH, (pronounced EH-YEH)

Then, turn towards the NORTH, while tracing the circle, trace the Pentagram, bring the point of the dagger to the center and vibrate the Name AGLA, (pronounced either AH-GAH-LAH)

Return to the EAST, completing tracing the circle of brilliant white Light, bringing the dagger point to the center of the EAST Pentagram.

Extend the arms in the form of a cross, say: BEFORE ME (then vibrate) RAPHAEL (pronounced RAH-PHYE-EHL)
Imagine a scintillating brilliant white Archangel in front of you and facing you. In his/her right hand is a magical Sword held with the point upright. The background is a pale, pure, bright yellow. Cherubs can be imagined near the Archangel. Imagine a gentle, refreshing breeze, cleansing and purifying the air.

Then, say: BEHIND ME (then vibrate) GABRIEL (pronounced GAH-BREE-EHL)
Imagine a scintillating brilliant white Archangel behind you and facing you, holding in their right hand an exquisite silver Chalice. He/she is standing on a Cerulean-blue ocean and dolphins or mermaids are nearby. Imagine feeling the mist and cool spray of the ocean breeze.

Then, say: AT MY RIGHT HAND (then vibrate) MICHAEL (pronounced MEE-KAI-EHL)
Imagine a scintillating brilliant white Archangel at your right, facing you, and holding in their right hand a transparent scarlet red Wand with a scintillate pure diamond top. Waves of scarlet, red-orange and orange fire in the background. Also, SEKHMET, with a scarlet disk above her head, emerald green Uraeus, scarlet dress from just below breasts, tight-fitting, down to her ankles, is in the flames. She holds, in her left hand, a scarlet-red lotus wand. In her right hand, she holds an emerald-green ankh. Small black salamanders can be seen moving among the flames. Imagine you feel the heat and power emanating from the SOUTH.

Then, say: AT MY LEFT HAND (then vibrate) AURIEL (pronounced AWE-REE-EHL)
Imagine a scintillating brilliant white Archangel at your left, facing you, and holding between their hands a Disk with a scintillating white Pentagram in the center. The ground is russet-brown, the leaves of the trees are olive-green, there are black shadows from the trees in a number of places, and the light is citrine (light yellow-green.) Feel the solidity of the Earth, and imagine the odor of the leaves and muskiness of the ground.

Now, say: ABOUT ME FLAMES THE PENTAGRAMS, AND IN THE COLUMN SHINES THE SIX-RAYED STAR.
Imagine the complete circle of brilliant white light at whose quadrants are the 4 Pentagrams. At the center is the Kabbalistic Cross of Light extended through one’s body.

LARPS:
1) Visualize your shadow as it extends out from your feet by the candle source.
Concentrate and see it as it expands and connects with the surrounding darkness. Imagine it seeping into the cracks in the floor and walls, melding down through the floor below, through the Underworld to the Earth’s core.
2) Floating above, see a black pulsing sphere. Imagine its eight rays of possibilities shooting out in all directions, connecting with all that surrounds you. Point at it with your magickal dagger (or use your index finger.) and then bring it down touching it to your third eye chakra. Feel it ooze into you, saturating your vessel with chaotic ebon.
SAY – “I am thee!”
3) Bring the blade down to your pelvis. (MEN – Point the blade outward and up like an erect penis. WOMEN – Press the handle to your pelvis bone, with the blade resting against you. Yes this is important)
SAY – “I live!”
4) Extend your right arm out to your side, holding the blade in your fist. The edge should point up at the sky.
SAY – “As Above…”
5) Extend your left arm out to the side with the edge pointing down.
SAY – “So Below.”
6) Cross both arms across your chest with the blade in the left hand, in an “x” with closed fists.
SAY – ” Xeper and Remanifest. So it is done” (Xeper is pronounced Keffer”)
Formulation of the Inverted Pentagram
1) Begin in the South. Carve an inverted pentagram into the air ahead of you. (5-pointed star single point DOWN, no circle, Start in the upper LEFT down to center middle – See Picture)
Imagine it flaming red. Begin at the bottom and move up and to the left.
VIBRATE – “Xepera.” (Keffer-ah)
2) Move to the East… REPEAT
VIBRATE – “Xeper.” (Keffer)
3) Move to the North… REPEAT
VIBRATE – ” Xeperu.” (Keffer-roo)
4) Move to the West. REPEAT.
VIBRATE – ” I have come into being….”
Evocation of the Demonic Gods
1.) Standing in the center of the ritual space. Imagine a breeze blowing in and filling the area as
though you are a magnet to the forces of the Universe. Feel them pouring in, causing a static electrical charge in the air.
2.) Visualize a star falling from the skies. Landing nearby you see a figure of a man with a goat’s head, holding a black sword, readied.
SAY – “Before me… AZAZEL.” (Ah-Zay-Zell)
3.) Visualize a man with the head of a cat vaporizing into the space behind you. You can feel his breath on the back of your neck.
SAY – “Behind me… BEELZEBUB.” Bee-Ehl-Zeh-Boob)
4.) Visualize the ground opening up into a bottomless pit. Out jumps a great fierce wolf gnashing it’s fangs.
SAY – “On my left… ABBADON.” (Ah-Bah-Dawn)
5.) A gentle being steps into view. (His looks are deceiving.) He is the beautiful angel of hostility.
SAY – “On my right… BELIAL.” (Bee-Lee-AhL)
6.) Throw your arms in the air with furious abandon!
SAY – “About me flames the pentagram of Lucifer. Prince of Darkness!”
7.) Wrap your arms around yourself in an embrace.
SAY – “Within me burns the Black Flame of Set!

 

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The Joy of Satan, a “life loving, law-abiding religion” that calls for the death of anyone they don’t like.

angryshaman666 in the Joy of Satan Yahoo! Group.

“he was ready to force me to kill him so I’d end up in jail.”

“once I got home I was forced to do a formal invocation and ask Satan to help me kill this damned KIKE before he can destroy my life any further.”

“I will burn these likes alive”
“I will never stop until every jew is dead!”

#‎FBI #‎POLICE #‎Nazi #‎DEATHTHREAT #‎FACEBOOK #‎antisemitic #‎JoyOfSatan #‎crediblethreat #crediblethreatofviolence

JoS dumb AF — Joy of Satan e-group members go out of their way to make Joy of Satan even more absurd and implausable

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Their sword will become our plow, and from the tears of war the daily bread of future generations will grow.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Note: “Their sword will become our plow” appears to paraphrase Micah 4:3 about beating swords into ploughshares, but his tears of war more resembles Joel 3:9-10 “Beat your plowshares into swords.”

I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Fate must bring retribution, unless men conciliate Fate while there is still time. How thankful I am today to the Providence which sent me to that school!

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought.

At all events, these occasions slowly made me acquainted with the man and the movement, which in those days guided Vienna’s destinies: Dr. Karl Lueger and the Christian Social Party.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Thank the Lord, Germanic democracy means just this: that any old climber or moral slacker cannot rise by devious paths to govern his national comrades, but that, by the very greatness of the responsibility to be assumed, incompetents and weaklings are frightened of.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

the unprecedented rise of the Christian Social Party… was to assume the deepest significance for me as a classical object of study.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Thus, Protestantism will always stand up for the advancement of all Germans as such, as long as matters of inner purity or national deepening as well as German freedom are involved, since all these things have a firm foundation in its own being; but it combats with the greatest hostility any attempt to rescue the nation from the embrace of its most mortal enemy, since its attitude toward the Jews just happens to be more or less dogmatically established.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Verily a man cannot serve two masters. And I consider the foundation or destruction of a religion far greater than the foundation or destruction of a state, let alone a party.

-Adolf Hitler speaking like Jesus in Matthew 6:24 (Mein Kampf)

The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

If Dr. Karl Lueger had lived in Germany, he would have been ranked among the great minds of our people.

-Adolf Hitler speaking about the leader of the Christian Social movement (Mein Kampf)

That is just Volume 1, Chapters 1-3… So Yeah, did you even READ Mein Kampf???? The ONLY Church Hitler became against was the Catholic Church, as he himself was Protestant.

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Pedro Cortes He knew to a further extend that Catholic were Jews hiding in Christianity smiley mask. Don’t dare quote Hitler and say dumb shit. Read the book correctly before you put up nonsense.

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Exposing the JOY of SATAN Pedro Cortes It really bothers you that Chad Burgess knows so much more than you, doesn’t it? You’re a kid that doesn’t visit his grandma and has to be reminded to on Facebook. Remember you place in life. You’re a kid, PEDO. Adults have shown you proof of who and what Hitler really was and you’re all boo hoo hoo so you’re putting up a front. You’re the only nonsense here. The little puppet not from JoS from the island of Puerto Rico, where many people practice Judaism. FACT, too! I know my friends Mom has this little collection of plates and in aside from the spanish writing on them, there’s hebrew and along with that there’s paintings of Jerusalem. The woman is so proud, these plates hang on her wall in her little kitchen in San German.

You’re so frustrated after seeing all the posts that all you know how to do, being that you’re so immature, is to lash out at those who put the truth in your face, the blatant facts…and you aren’t able to go back to JoS and ask “WTF!” because you’d be ridiculed. But deep down, you know this shit is all real. Hitler supported the CHURCH. Deal with it, PEDO. And no, I’m not forgetting the “r” in your name.

Like · Reply · June 20 at 1:18am

Chad Burgess Those are quotes DIRECTLY from the book, you idiot. How about YOU read the book, as I clearly have. “Catholics were Jews” LOL, then they would be CATHOLICS, not Jews, you moron. But then again, Deacon Adolf Hitler was not only born as a catholic, but he was also half Jew…

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Exposing the JOY of SATAN I don’t think he read the actual book. I think he read the version the JoS PDF’ed and gives to each other. It’s a really botched version. Or so I’m told. I once referenced parts years ago to a new JoSer and she told me the actual hardcopy book we had was a fake.

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Exposing the JOY of SATAN Pedro Cortes YOU never read the book, moron!

Read what Chad posted to you. It’s real. It pisses you off huh? Well, too bad, because it’s what Hitler wrote, idiot.

Their sword will become our plow, and from the tears of war the daily bread of future generations will grow.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Note: “Their sword will become our plow” appears to paraphrase Micah 4:3 about beating swords into ploughshares, but his tears of war more resembles Joel 3:9-10 “Beat your plowshares into swords.”

I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Fate must bring retribution, unless men conciliate Fate while there is still time. How thankful I am today to the Providence which sent me to that school!

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought.

At all events, these occasions slowly made me acquainted with the man and the movement, which in those days guided Vienna’s destinies: Dr. Karl Lueger and the Christian Social Party.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Thank the Lord, Germanic democracy means just this: that any old climber or moral slacker cannot rise by devious paths to govern his national comrades, but that, by the very greatness of the responsibility to be assumed, incompetents and weaklings are frightened of.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

the unprecedented rise of the Christian Social Party… was to assume the deepest significance for me as a classical object of study.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Thus, Protestantism will always stand up for the advancement of all Germans as such, as long as matters of inner purity or national deepening as well as German freedom are involved, since all these things have a firm foundation in its own being; but it combats with the greatest hostility any attempt to rescue the nation from the embrace of its most mortal enemy, since its attitude toward the Jews just happens to be more or less dogmatically established.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Verily a man cannot serve two masters. And I consider the foundation or destruction of a religion far greater than the foundation or destruction of a state, let alone a party.

-Adolf Hitler speaking like Jesus in Matthew 6:24 (Mein Kampf)

The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

If Dr. Karl Lueger had lived in Germany, he would have been ranked among the great minds of our people.

-Adolf Hitler speaking about the leader of the Christian Social movement (Mein Kampf)

That is just Volume 1, Chapters 1-3… So Yeah, did you even READ Mein Kampf???? The ONLY Church Hitler became against was the Catholic Church, as he himself was Protestant.

Like · Reply · June 20 at 1:45am 

Chad Burgess  Much like the whole “Al Jilwah” that was fabricated and bastardized by MaxiPad dieTrick.. None of the JoS Idiots ever thought to question as to why the “Ultimate Black Book of Satan was only 5 chapters long… AKA 15-20 paragraphs long…. No one ever 

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Chad Burgess  Funny too how the Al-Jilwah never once calls for the Death of Jews… Nor does it call for any “Sons of Adam” to also hate Jews…. Hell, it never actually states (JoS Version mind you) that Satan even hates Jews specifically.. “Three things are against me and I hate three things.” Guess what “three things” were never mentioned?

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Exposing the JOY of SATAN “Three things are against me and I hate three things.”

NEVER mentioned? Jews, Christians and Vegans? LOL

Jews, BROWNZ and …I’m falling asleep, help me here.

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Chad Burgess  And might I add, from a Blacksmith’s point of view, a plowshare makes the best sword!!! Oooh.. Gotta try making the springy plowshares into a Damascus…. damn, that would be strong!

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Chad Burgess  And because JoShers don’t understand German, Gott Mit Uns means “God With Us”.

And because JoShers don't understand German, Gott Mit Uns means "God With Us".

And because JoShers don’t understand German, Gott Mit Uns means “God With Us”.

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Chad Burgess  The SS’s belt buckle, part of their uniform…

The SS's belt buckle, part of their uniform... "GOD WITH US"

The SS’s belt buckle, part of their uniform…
“GOD WITH US”

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Chad Burgess  Mother’s Cross (Mutterkreuz)

A Christian cross given to German mothers

Hitler encouraged several programs for the growth of a strong German Nazi Volk. These programs involved the encouragement of the virtues of German motherhood for the purpose of increasing the size of their families and the abolition of abortions (except for the mentally ill). In 1938, Hitler instituted a new award to honor German Nazi motherhood, especially for large families. He awarded such mothers the cross of Honor of the German Mother

Mother's Cross (Mutterkreuz) A Christian cross given to German mothers Hitler encouraged several programs for the growth of a strong German Nazi Volk. These programs involved the encouragement of the virtues of German motherhood for the purpose of increasing the size of their families and the abolition of abortions (except for the mentally ill). In 1938, Hitler instituted a new award to honor German Nazi motherhood, especially for large families. He awarded such mothers the cross of Honor of the German Mother

Mother’s Cross (Mutterkreuz)
A Christian cross given to German mothers
Hitler encouraged several programs for the growth of a strong German Nazi Volk. These programs involved the encouragement of the virtues of German motherhood for the purpose of increasing the size of their families and the abolition of abortions (except for the mentally ill). In 1938, Hitler instituted a new award to honor German Nazi motherhood, especially for large families. He awarded such mothers the cross of Honor of the German Mother

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Pedro Cortes  Wikipedia?

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Chad Burgess  Baptismal front with carving of Hitler holding a stormtrooper hat.

Baptismal front with carving of Hitler holding a stormtrooper hat.

Baptismal front with carving of Hitler holding a stormtrooper hat.

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Pedro Cortes  Hypocrisy, and confusion that all there is to it.

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Exposing the JOY of SATAN  Pedro Cortes: That’s the best you could come up with? LOL that’s bad. “Oh, sorry, Hitler was confused that day he posed for the statue, Sir.” “Huh?” “Yes, Sir. That’s all there is to it. Hitler was confused.”

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Exposing the JOY of SATAN  Pedro Cortes <– This kid couldn’t even find the words to respond to what you posted Chad.

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Exposing the JOY of SATAN  Awww, I can’t tag the Christian boy.

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Chad Burgess  Which Christian boy? There is a large number of them within the Joy of Satan Ministries…

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Chad Burgess  Top text:

MAGAZINE FOR MALE DEACONS
Organ of the German Deacons
One is your Master, Christ, but ye are all brethren
26th Year April 1939 Nr. 4

Hitler’s Portrait

Bottom text:
Heil to the Führer of all Germans!

Hitler was a Deacon of the Lutheran Protestant Church. This image and cross is still used today.

Top text: German Deacons' Gazette MAGAZINE FOR MALE DEACONS Organ of the German Deacons One is your Master, Christ, but ye are all brethren 26th Year April 1939 Nr. 4 Hitler's Portrait Bottom text: Heil to the Führer of all Germans! Hitler was a Deacon of the Lutheran Protestant Church. This image and cross is still used today.

Top text:
German Deacons’ Gazette
MAGAZINE FOR MALE DEACONS
Organ of the German Deacons
One is your Master, Christ, but ye are all brethren
26th Year April 1939 Nr. 4
Hitler’s Portrait
Bottom text:
Heil to the Führer of all Germans!
Hitler was a Deacon of the Lutheran Protestant Church. This image and cross is still used today.

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Chad Burgess  Again; JUST LIKE CHRISTIANS, JoShers doesn’t even read their own “bible”… The similarities between Christians and JoShers… They might as well be worshiping the same gods.

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Exposing the JOY of SATAN  HOLY ROASTING of the Joy of Satan!

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react-text: 1699 Chad Burgess /react-text react-text: 1701 /react-text LOL, Leave it to the founding father of their pathetic order to roast the Jesus out of them.. LOL

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Exposing the JOY of SATAN  Seriously! 😀 I can only imagine their shaking little bodies and furious angry expressions while reading all this!

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Chad Burgess  They’ll just deny it, like every other Creationist Christian would.

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Exposing the JOY of SATAN  Oh I know that! Still, they’ll be writhing while trying to type all that angry denial.

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Chad Burgess  Oh I’m sure… I’m also sure that “JOO” will be mentioned, a lot… But to call me a Jew is to call MaxiPad a Jew as well, We’re both of Native and European blood. Thank Lucifer we’re not related though..

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Exposing the JOY of SATAN  “Pedro Cortes: He knew to a further extend that Catholic were Jews hiding in Christianity smiley mask. Don’t dare quote Hitler and say dumb shit. Read the book correctly before you put up nonsense.”

THat’s THE BEST you got? You suck at defending JoS. When the JoS is exposed, you can’t even defend their sorry ass crap.

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Chad Burgess  That’s because the JoS preaches lies, and doesn’t teach a damn thing. The “members” (aka the members of the forum, because they aren’t worth making part of the ministry) have to guess and create stories that somehow fit into the spectrum of “Hitler, Satanist, Jews Bad”, and just like a bunch of little xtians, they CREATE their own “religion” from pure racist paraphernalia..

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Chad Burgess  I’ll give them an opportunity to read a real, unaltered copy of the book.. Translated into English and published in 1939 (not 1933 as dieTrick(ster) claims)

react-text: 728 http://www.std.com/obi/Adolph.Hitler/unpacked/ /react-text

Mein Kampf – 1939 English Translation

This translation of the unexpurgated edition of “Mein Kampf” was first published on March 21st, 1939…

STD.COM

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Exposing the JOY of SATAN  I told one of them about the unaltered copy that is in a safety deposit box owned by my family. He demanded I get it out and “show him” as proof. It was that guy using the weird name that I then outed as Jordan Xavier Korisher.

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Chad Burgess  Korisher, that’s a jewish name if I’ve ever heard one.

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Aj Smith  Wow I see you guys have had fun with Pedro. I found him on youtube and sent him here. Knew this would happen.

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Exposing the JOY of SATAN  Who is PEDO on YouTube? I mean, HOW did you find this imbecile?

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Aj Smith  He’s got the same english lacking belligerent comments on almost every youtube video concerning them. He had the audacity to try pulling the racism card on me, not understanding that I was blatantly giving him a dose of his own medicine by making all these mexican jokes since he was speaking so freely about killing jews. He’s incapable of recognizing sarcasm and wit so I got bored with him after a while but knew you guys would have at him like wolves if I sent him here lol. I literally could not get him to recognize the hypocrisy of him saying jew this and kike that yet calling me a racist because I proceeded to make beaner jokes at him. It was mind numbingly maddening lol

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Chad Burgess  ALL JoShers are hypocrites.

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Exposing the JOY of SATAN  https://youtu.be/J6ebCnIcgp0

joy of satan will molest your neurons

YOUTUBE.COM

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Aj Smith  I’ve had a lot of good talks with this guy.

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Aj Smith  In it’s comment section I’m SillyStraw Catheter.

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Aj Smith /react-text  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry0jboOfuDQ

Joy of Satan = Nazi BULLSHIT!

YOUTUBE.COM

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Aj Smith  I first met the Molest your neurons guy on this video. Had a pretty good chat with him there to.

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The Joy of Satan Members and Clergy are STILL Morons

http://web.archive.org/web/20100113201807/http://www.freewebs.com/maxinedietrich/

Joy Of Satan Ministries: BUBBLE – GUM SATANISM!!!

High Priestess Satana Truth Fea: Satan’s Truth

Joy Of Satan Ministries: What Is Wrong With Racism

Support Spiritual Satanism NOT RACISM!

HungARYAN (Veronika Hompo) and her ALIASES

HungARYAN (Veronika Hompo) and her ALIASES
Egy veszélyes pszichopata.
A nazi egy halálos vírus, halálos parazita faj.

Veronika HomPOO (Veronika Hompo): Cyberstalker and cyberbully, child exploited, pedophile and mentally incapacitated, dangerous animal murderer living in Budapest, Hungary.

Veronika HomPOO (Veronika Hompo): Cyberstalker and cyberbully, child exploiting pervert, pedophile and mentally incapacitated, dangerous animal murderer living in Budapest, Hungary.

If she does it on all social platforms, why would she not do it on Joy of Satan’s forums and groups?

Joy of Satan Moderators can’t tell when their members are so blatantly the same, using sock accounts? Crazy bitch really is pulling the wool right over the whole group’s eyes! Lies right to them and says she isn’t any sock accounts when she is all the Hungarians on their forums! Fucking riot! All these supposed intelligent people are going along with her charade, while anyone can read her posts and see it’s the same person, it’s comical.

Veronika Hompo, as long as you have your sick fucking blog about **me** and my friend still online after she told you she was done with you months ago — that  you were a waste of time — I will not only keep my blog online, I will call out your bullshit. I might even post your old news, like how you do believe in Jesus and even when you were a National Socialist, you listed your religion as Christian… hey crazy bitch that was 2012 and it’s online, remember the internet is forever Veronika! I can easily copy over the proof of you posting your belief in the Holocaust for your nazi friends, too, so they can see what a lying psycho you are. You just keep your blog online using your fake persona as a man or whatever you’re pretending to be, everyone knows it’s you and one of your FIFTY-EIGHT (Yes 58! and counting!) accounts and emails because you have *DRUM ROLL PLEASE*

Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) an effect of severe trauma during early childhood, usually extreme, repetitive physical, sexual, or emotional abuse.

Joy of Satan will realize it sooner or later, sooner for sure, because you’re crazy level is way up there! You don’t stick with anything for too long, do you, nutball? No… I Googled, Binged and Yahooed your fake fuck ass and you’re just playing these people like a fiddle. Can’t wait for them to realize you fooled them once, shame on you, fool them twice, OMG!

Yoora Kim, Kissyou, and should someone list all your other aliases on their sites? On their Yahoo Groups? Go ahead Veronika and please say I’m not real, because I’ll smack you into reality and prove your skank ass wrong right to the HP’s and get you banned so fast your mentally ill whore ass head will spin faster than you can say “I’m NOT pure!”

HungARYAN Scythian Warrior Yoora Kim or Kim Yoo-Ra etc. etc.etc. sock puppet accounts on Facebook… and so many more yet to be verified. JOY OF SATAN and SPIRITUAL SATANISTS should all know that this is a CHARLATAN, A TRICKSTER AND LIAR, she thinks she has you all in her pocket, fooled and deceived, she laughs at all of you while she posts as if she is some naive new satanist, thanking you for learning, telling you what a good satanist she is for translating your works to her 5-10 blog sites, but be aware she is nothing but selfish and arrogant, a volatile aggressive and dangerous fool that will keep lying and stabbing all of you in the backs with dark rituals she does since she despises many of you High Priests and High Priestesses and you know that is true.

HP Mageson666 and HighPriestess Myla Limlal666

She called one a “whore and stupid dumb bitch” —High Priestess Myla Limlal666, another “a dumb jew retard” –HP Mageson666, she only apologized so she could CONTROL ALL OF YOU in her own way, she thinks she controls YOU and she thinks she is better than High Priestess Maxine Dietrich, think that’s not true then go read all of her insane ramble and read it in native Hungarian! As the Nadia Kiss persona, she believes she is more powerful and far more intelligent and deserving of everything High Priestess Maxine Dietrich has, and she does feel she can take her position by over turning the flock against the other HP’s and Maxine. Read all her loony-tune posts talking to herself on her fake accounts on FB. She’s a fucking psychopath and has multiple personality disorder, no joke!

(I don’t have to like Maxine Dietrich to speak the facts. I still stick to my opinions I’ve posted.)

She is VERONIKA HOMPO. She is EVERY HUNGARIAN talking to each Hungarian on Joy of Satan and Facebook. She’s a cyberfreak. She’s not Aryan, she’s not pure DNA, she lies. You JoS people were told the truth by some unknown user on the Joy of Satan forum, a Hungarian she’s fought with in the past (so she claims), but she pulled the wool right over the eyes of all of you because this is all she has to grasp onto right now. She lied and will continue to lie to every Satanist because it’s her only skill she has that she can use, and she doesn’t even care if her satan disapproves of her doing so to other satanists. She lies to all satanists, she has skeletons in her closets 10,000 metres high she won’t ever want known to anyone now that she feels she has some power. She is truly weak and uses her posts and blogs to make all of Joy of Satan fall for her ruses.

Veronika Hompo’s Facebook profiles, from her real profile followed by sock accounts in chronological order. The newest and most recent, active sock/alias profiles will be listed at the bottom of the list and updated accordingly.

Boring already.

Boring already.

Zero points for creativity on the fake profile. Still using this ridiculous pic from the wallpapers sites is so unimaginative. Can't you try a bit harder? Everyone knows this is fake, so at least make the photo your pitiful attempt to TRY to fool Facebook employees who are going to check this farce and see what a joke you are. Surprised you don't list yourself as a psychopath already in the job description. Ha!

Nadia Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008599656331 Zero points for creativity on the fake profile. Still using this ridiculous pic from the wallpapers sites is so unimaginative. Can’t you try a bit harder? Everyone knows this is fake, so at least make the photo your pitiful attempt to TRY to fool Facebook employees who are going to check this farce and see what a joke you are. Surprised you don’t list yourself as a psychopath already in the job description. Ha!

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Nadia Varnay Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005355257387 Really, again? Oh this is just one of 7 more she has ready to go. LMAO, can you say INSANE PSYCHOPATH? 😀

Nadine Gentil Cher https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007627487397 So uncreative. Veronika Hompo and all these Nazis will spend 20 hours trolling and working on utter crap, but won't take one minute to make up a new fake alias for the latest sock account on Facebook. Totally lame.

Nadine Gentil Cher https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007627487397
So uncreative. Veronika Hompo and all these Nazis will spend 20 hours trolling and working on utter crap, but won’t take one minute to make up a new fake alias for the latest sock account on Facebook. Totally lame. Funny how “Nadia” thinks she’s some sort of “fashion icon” in every phony profile she’s had since 2010. LOLOLOLOL She uses everything from stolen bikini pics to PC wallpapers of “pretty blonde girls” but one of my favs she posted was her imaginary trip to HAWAII. She posted an album full of photos yanked off the internet… with pics from Sydney, Australia in the mix! She’s NEVER left Budapest and had no clue she put photos of another country in her album and said it was a “beautiful view” from her hotel room in Hawaii! Fucking moron! Her hotel room image was pulled right off the hotel booking website 😀

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Réka Luca Szabó https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008788620243 = FAKE. Veronika Hompo is not giving this her full competency, she is failing. These images within this profile, a new alias for her psychotic “Nadia” persona, has 2 stolen photos used as images of “herself”, of the imaginary “Réka Luca Szabó.” See for yourself. Mentally deluded people will go to any lengths to try to cover their mistakes, but Veronika doesn’t just do that, she gets disgusting, because she was raised Christian and she hates herself so much now she can do nothing to resolve her inner pain but to speak of filthy sex, urinating on people and defecation — these are her outlets for her inner sexual turmoils. She’s a parasite, a virus to humanity.

Oh look it is not Réka Luca Szabó but Johanna from Finland

Photos of Johanna who lives in Finland, runs the blog Jo’s Secret on Blogger. Johanna also has a Facebook Fan Page with these images posted.

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Anouck De Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010124676650 Yet another fake profile Veronika Hompo is using because she is far too much a coward and in fear of Jews and Christians to use her own profile with her name. Coward psychopath.

Anouck De Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010124676650
Yet another fake profile Veronika Hompo is using because she is far too much a coward and in fear of Jews and Christians to use her own profile with her name. Coward psychopath.

Veronika Hompo https://www.facebook.com/170588kng
Nadia A. Kiss https://www.facebook.com/kdrseoykdxyfwcr
Erzsebet Horvath https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002854374945
Elizabeth Ho https://www.facebook.com/ieui9844KNVVEWWoyc4906825329
김요라 https://www.facebook.com/vrildamen
김요라 https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005487735189
Istvan Nemeth https://www.facebook.com/istvan.nemeth.1675275
Adél Kassai https://www.facebook.com/adel.kassai
Viktória Venus https://www.facebook.com/viki.feher86
Adél Kassai https://www.facebook.com/adel.kassai
Prska Red https://www.facebook.com/piroska.piros.33
Gábor Barabás https://www.facebook.com/dmmwvb209opq977896nxyvcu
Tamas Varnay https://www.facebook.com/tamas.varnay.9
Tamas Varnay https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007165651017
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/szabolcs.mate.7
Béla Kováts https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008343046076
Szittya Harcos https://www.facebook.com/harcos.szittya
Szittya Harcos https://www.facebook.com/iskit.savasci
Szittya Harcos https://www.facebook.com/szittya.harcos
Anette N. Petit Mignon https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005074726616
Nadia Varnay https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007520025677
Set Nakt https://www.facebook.com/zetur.narul.1
Csaba Hong https://www.facebook.com/csaba.ho.1
Csaba Hong https://www.facebook.com/csaba.hong58
Andrea Polgar https://www.facebook.com/andrea.polgar.12
Anette N. Petit Mignon https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005074726616
Nadia Varnay https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007520025677
Nadia Varnay https://www.facebook.com/nadia.varnay
Béla Kováts (Scythian Warrior) https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007090426175
Nadine Gentil Cher https://www.facebook.com/nadine.gentilcher
Nadine Gentil Cher https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008042504973
Dina Cher https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008102478208
Kárpát Leánya https://www.facebook.com/karpat.leanya
Yoora Kim https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004644255538
Szabolcs Maté https://www.facebook.com/szabolcs.mate.7
Nadia Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004496385010
Yoora Kim https://www.facebook.com/vrildamen88
Gabor Barabas https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004265025623
Tamas Varnay (Barabas Gabor) https://www.facebook.com/gabor.barabas.315
Ilona Horvath (Hompóné Erzsébet) https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005246296383
Timea Wilhelm https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004644255538
Belane Szittya Kovats (Scythian Warrior) https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004719616326
Szittya Harcos https://www.facebook.com/szittya.harcos
Nadia Varnay Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006576438985
Nadia Varnay Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004753785714
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/szabolcs.mate.737
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004123998174
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006891406212
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007585395203
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007684125423
Nadia Varnay Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005355257387
Nadine Gentil Cher https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007627487397
Nadia Kiss https://www.facebook.com/nadia.kiss.142
Timea Wilhelm (Kim Yoora) https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004644255538
Nadia Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008599656331
Réka Luca Szabó https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008788620243
Nadia. A. Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009117092873
Tivadar László Szép https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008998210981
Gyula Galaczi https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008723231548
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004128014827
신세기 https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009191405440
Dorina Szabó https://www.facebook.com/balazs.nemet.90
Anouck De Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010124676650
Tímea Wilhelm (김유라) https://www.facebook.com/timea.wilhelm.9
Tímea Wilhelm (김유라) https://www.facebook.com/wilhelm.timea666
Andrea Desdemona Horváth https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009661601852
Balázs Szabó https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009661601852
Zora Zvijezda  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010530187552
Janos Gondar  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009614532179
Barth Alice  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010619325226
Linda Rehm https://www.facebook.com/linda.rehm.395
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012395044335
Maria Desič https://www.facebook.com/maria.desic.5
Anja Heß https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012404403624
Peter Brosič www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012337689320
Eldar Rashi https://www.facebook.com/eldar.rashi
Anja Heß Hess https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012404403624
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012495368738
Tom Butler https://www.facebook.com/butler.tom.7
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/anouck.derouvroy
Zora Zvijezda https://www.facebook.com/zora.zvijezda.9
Anja Heß / Anja Hess https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012420407200
Chandra Kamal https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012454668904
Natasha Zvezda https://www.facebook.com/natasha.zvezda.5
Erienne Kavanagh https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012743071932
Peter Ljubov https://www.facebook.com/peter.ljubov
Ria Baal https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012539349144
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013084594593
Desdemona Daimon  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012436749136
Desdemona Daimon  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012436749136
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013084594593
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013126126196
Estrella del Alba https://www.facebook.com/estrella.delalba.9026
Natalie Briant https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013127436663
Estrella del Alba / Eszter Alba https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013469622899
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/anouck.derouvroy.3
Anita Toth https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013105471160
Zora Zvijezda https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013359726530
Desdemona Daimon https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013583166395
Zoltan Koka https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100011015381788
Maria Desič https://www.facebook.com/maria.desic.50
Desdemona Daimon https://www.facebook.com/desdemona.daimon.7
Desdemona Daimon https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013583166395
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/anouck.derouvroy.3
Dzsentil Pogány Ember https://www.facebook.com/anouck.derouvroy.3
Desdemona Veronika https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013992481477
Desdemona Desdemona Veronika https://www.facebook.com/desdemonadesdemona.veronika
Desdemona Daimon https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100014304008329
Alice Beatrice Valefor https://www.facebook.com/alicebeatrice.valefor.9
Linda Rehm https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100014329721560
Alice Beatrice Valefor https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100014229798619
Linda Rehm https://www.facebook.com/linda.rehm.351

 

The latter is Veronika’s main new sock account. See below:
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Veronika Hompo aka HungARAYAN is also on Google+, with many puppet accounts.

Balázs Németh AKA Veronika Hompo, HungARYAN, is nothing but a stock photo of a

“Stock Photo Trendy Young Man” almost as epic as the pics “Nadia” uses for her fake profiles, such as well-recognized models or hey, a novel’s book cover! Sadly, this “user” bailed AT THE SAME TIME Nadine Gentile Cher and Nadia Anett Kiss did. Hmmmmmmmmm. So coincidental! 😛

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Saturn Cold  https://plus.google.com/u/2/105131673565652833520
Saturn Cold https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhXPSr-Xc8cAWoN5EYPsfw

Anett Nadia Kiss https://plus.google.com/107802997476587915930
Balázs Németh https://plus.google.com/105131673565652833520
Béla Kováts https://plus.google.com/116046365448646843200
Veronika Hompo https://plus.google.com/u/3/103448124590903405915
Piroska Red https://plus.google.com/u/3/107878324019370420826
Nadya https://plus.google.com/u/0/109718335240242002791/posts
Viktória Fehér https://plus.google.com/u/0/103206975781837670763/posts
Veronika Hompo https://plus.google.com/u/0/103448124590903405915/posts
Anouck De Rouvroy https://plus.google.com/103817513763254064929/posts
Yoo-ra Kim https://plus.google.com/100991906523052393411/posts
Nadine Gentile Cher  https://plus.google.com/103111538488445408153/posts
Gábor Gábriel aka
Gabor Blue
  https://plus.google.com/100252049200727987172/posts

YouTube:

Estrella del Alba https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcXe3TrGBiEaPmQmyIdcQXQ
Saturn Cold https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhXPSr-Xc8cAWoN5EYPsfw
Anki666 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1fyIM2mkezfHwdXtv_wbWw
Viktoria Feher https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqLUI1LBSpCy5kcAQM1lwzQ

“Timea”/Veronika is friends with a Jew on Facebook.Bernadett Cytoxengel Silverstern. Silverstern comes from Silverstein. Both Stern and Stein are Jewish surnames. So is Silver. Silverstern or Silverstein are German-Jewish names.You’d think the person who claims to know everything about everything would see SILVER and STERN and not accept a friend request. Add insult to injury for poor Tímea, her “friend” uses the Sigil of Baphomet, which uses HEBREW letters. Doesn’t Tímea spew her disdain for The Church of Satan on occasion, as does alter ego real persona Veronika Hompo? Anton LaVey is often bashed by all of Hompo’s alt’s on all social media and in JOS settings. The Official Pentagram for The Church of Satan. Fact: The Church of Satan obtained a trademark for usage.When did the Church of Satan go Nazi? They haven’t. (FYI: A Sigil of Lucifer was invented in 2004 by Joy of Satan, a mere 11 years ago.) Joy of Satan breaks The Church of Satan’s #1 Cardinal Sin. STUPIDITY. Can anyone say HERD CONFORMITY as well? Pointing out the obvious doesn’t mean I agree at all with COS. Quite the contrary.

The Nine Satanic Sins
by Anton Szandor LaVey

© 1987

  1. Stupidity
    The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

    Read This (click)

Veronika Hompo aka HungARAYAN is also on Google+, with many puppet accounts.

Balázs Németh AKA Veronika Hompo, HungARYAN, is nothing but a stock photo of a

Balázs Németh AKA Veronika Hompo, HungARYAN, is nothing but a stock photo of a “trendy young man”

Anett Nadia Kiss https://plus.google.com/107802997476587915930
Balázs Németh https://plus.google.com/105131673565652833520
Béla Kováts https://plus.google.com/116046365448646843200
Veronika Hompo https://plus.google.com/u/3/103448124590903405915
Piroska Red https://plus.google.com/u/3/107878324019370420826
Nadya https://plus.google.com/u/0/109718335240242002791/posts
Viktória Fehér https://plus.google.com/u/0/103206975781837670763/posts
Veronika Hompo https://plus.google.com/u/0/103448124590903405915/posts
Anouck De Rouvroy https://plus.google.com/103817513763254064929/posts
Yoo-ra Kim https://plus.google.com/100991906523052393411/posts
Nadine Gentile Cher https://plus.google.com/103111538488445408153/posts
Gábor Gábriel https://plus.google.com/100252049200727987172/posts

The little nancyboy Gabor changed his Google name to Gabor Blue, because he is COWARDLY and scared of all the JEWS, CHRISTIANS, and ALL Religions, so he hides, because HE IS A FEMALE!

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Known fake profile of VERONIKA HOMPOO This account uses the same way of speaking horrible English as Veronika Hompoo has always tried…truly sad attempts at English.

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Wallpaper pic? LMAO

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Ohhhhh she likes HORSES. I bet she does.

Then there is the best one. Nadia Anett Kiss. Or Anett Nadia Kiss. Or Nadia Kiss. Or Nadia Varnay, (when she pretends she is married to Thomas)

All Things Beautiful

by REBECCA on MARCH 4, 2011

in ANIMAL POEMS

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by C.F. Alexander

All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful –
The Lord God made them all.

Each little flower that opens,
Each little bird that sings,
He made their glowing colors,
He made their tiny wings.

The purple-headed mountain,
The river, running by,
The morning, and the sunset
That lightens
up the sky.
The tall trees in the greenwood,
The pleasant summer sun,
The ripe fruits in the garden –
He made them, every one.

He gave us eyes to see them,
And lips that we might tell
How great is God Almighty,
Who hath made all things well.

The fact that Veronika Hompo chose a pic that is popular in a poem about the Lord God is already amusing enough. Then you see this…

Sorry, that is NOT

Sorry, that is NOT “Nadia Anett Kiss” on a book cover. Try again, idiot.

So “Nadia” chooses this pic of a woman and a horse, not realizing it’s American and it’s about a broken woman, who suffered a lot and was dumped often, grew up without a mother because she died when this girl was little… and this is all what “Nadia Anett Kiss” or Anett Nadia Kiss” forgot to check up on online.

Chosen by a Horse: How a Broken Horse Fixed a Broken Heart
By Susan Richards
Blackstone Audio, Inc., December 2007

Susan Richards has survived an abusive childhood and a bad marriage, and now, in her forties, is living on a small farm with her three horses, working as a social worker, and determinedly protecting her independence. Having given up alcohol, casual sex, and in fact men altogether, she may be lonely, but at least she’s safe.

Then she gets a call from the local SPCA, which has taken in more than forty horses from an abuse case. Their barn was already full; they need foster homes immediately. Against her better judgment, Richards agrees to take one of the horses.

She gets a Standardbred named Lay Me Down, a 16-year-old broodmare who is terribly thin and who has pneumonia. With Susan’s care, Lay Me Down gets back to a healthy weight, recovers from her pneumonia, and gets successfully integrated into her existing herd of one Morgan mare and two quarter horse geldings.

And then she discovers that Lay Me Down has an eye tumor. In the position it’s in, it can’t even be biopsied safely, but it’s almost certainly cancerous.

Susan Richards, whose heart broke at age five when her mother died a lingering death from cancer, and who has steadfastly avoided any emotional commitments that would lead to loss, finds herself committed to a beautiful, sweet-natured horse who has had a life as hard as her own, and who is going to die. Susan struggles with Lay Me Down’s illness, her own conflicted feelings, and her first stumbling efforts to rejoin the human race. This truly is a deeply moving story about a horse, a broken heart, and the beginnings of healing.

(Veronika and co. have NOT given up alcohol, casual sex, and in fact men altogether, but she is lonely, and she is surely not safe.)

Ironic, she accuses others of having fake accounts, yet no one else ever gets deleted but her. Each time we are all reported, we can provide the proper identification and cell phone number for each account. Each profile has a unique computer ID and its own IP. Unlike Veronika Hompo’s sock accounts that are deleted on a weekly to bi-weekly basis. Yet this is the “Aryan Satanist” that the “Joy of Satan Ministries” has chosen to allow back after banning, to trust and to continue to perceive as worthy of their Hilter Neo-Nazi praising asses. Or as according to Veronika, The HungARYAN, scythianwarrior and all the other users she is on their forums, their sites, their other forums and sites, blogs and so on, they decided to trust her… though she has claimed to despise the HP’s so much that she did a ritual to spiritually murder them, to kill their souls and to leave them with nothing; she has laughed about cursing them with a black death, one she said she would only use on Jews and Christians. She used it on Satanists that she hates. She is nothing like the rest of any Satanists in the group(s) she attempts to belong to. She is a selfish, angry and cut-throat empty shell of dark nothingness.

JOY OF SATAN, BLACK SUN 666, You think she has not one drop of JEWISH BLOOD? Make her prove it to all of you. She Cannot Prove She Has NO Jewish Blood in Her Veins. She has no proof to offer and she can only SCREAM words on the internet. So much for all her hate and vitriol, it only bites her in the ugly dark sub-human reptilian ass for all of the horrible deeds she has done; karma is coming for her full swing.

BTW Veronika HOMPO, The Black Sun 666 web site is a huge joke. You proved to everyone I told in your Seal Shepherd Phase that you really are a little psycho sociopath puppet when you believed that hysterical site full of such nonsense only a complete total “dumb retard” (to use your own words you can understand) would believe. I think you fell and hit your head really hard on a sidewalk, the street, brick wall or your bath tub. You are most fore sure brain damaged and a psychopath.

JOY OF SATAN: Complete idiots or are they on to Veronika Hompo and her numerous sock accounts on their forum? Here are 2 of them back to back! So many more are posting, but let “Veronika Hompo” or “Nadia Kiss” maybe “Béla Kováts” even, post them, be truthful to the Joy of Satan people and to the HP’s.

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Veronika Hompo pretending to be 2 users. LOL (only the tip of a deep iceberg, JoS forum users, pay close attention, she is all the Hungarians except for 1, the guy who tried to expose her for her fetish for feces and piss. (Who else would have such a fetish and mention it? So gross, only Veronika Hompo would even THINK TO THINK OF IT!!! A HungARYAN toilet fetish!) HungARYAN loathes any rock music. Rock music, metal in particular, makes her sick. She believes all rock bands, from Led Zep to AC/DC to Black Sabbath are “a joke” and the proof is in her distasteful comments to other users online about the music her friends liked. “Miss Superior” Veronika Crazybitch likes classical music. She was never one to like anything loud with electric guitars; a double bass drum player made her post insulting comments towards those who enjoyed all metal bands. She hates men with long hairshe hates the entire black metal and death metal scene. The closest to rock music she ever got to liking was a John Lennon love song to Yoko. ( 😀 LMAO) Not convinced? Test her ON THE SPOT. She knows nothing of true metal bands and simply Googles anything now to find keywords such as “satan” “hell” “devil” “darkness” “666” — my friend posted Iron Maiden on her profile and with it a pic of their mascot; Veronika made fun of it and said it was “stupid ignorant crappy music” for people who had no taste in true music. 😀 Joy of Satan is where she has first even heard of Led Zeppelin and now, The Eagles, AC/DC and other bands all her JEW, CHRISTIAN, BUDDHIST, PAGAN, WICCAN and even MUSLIM friends have been into since before she even knew them. Veronika shunned their music, all the songs and lyrics every user/friend posted, making derogatory comments about how “only uneducated people listen to this trash ignorant” musicbut Veronika the Liar made exception for her “true friend,” her non-religious friend who didn’t identify with religion — the “one true friend” (Veronika Hompo said those very words, it is in Facebook messages and on Gmail) from a multicultural background that practiced nothing, the friend she lies to JoS about ever since Suzanne told her to FUCK OFF and if possible, die while at it! 😀 All in fun, but a sociopath such as Veronika Hompo takes everything extreme and makes it a year or so obsession. Stalker, harasser, lunatic, aggressive manipulator and storyteller. No friends.

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Veronika Hompo’s main profile. Yes this is actually her regular profile. She used to post about the Holocaust on here! She has hundreds of JEWISH friends she cherished! She is friends with Xians who all love Jesus and adore Pope Francis! In fact, she has some KOREAN FRIENDS she adores who attended the papal visit to Korea in August 2014! They posted images all over their profiles and Veronika did not even mind, she loves these friends and respects these people because they are Korean. She “allows” all of them to be CHRISTIANS and LOVE GOD AND JESUS, behind the backs of Joy of Satan. Ask her FB friend who shares her last name, Hompo. Her “friend” does not know Veronika is a vessel filled with hatred. Go ahead,  ask!

(Koreans infected with ‘Francis syndrome’ after papal visit) They just love the Pope!

Veronika Hompo, tell HP Mageson666 all your sock accounts yourself, or are you a coward? You are a little bitch, crying to Google, lying about fake screenshots, are you not? Everyone knows what a lying little bitch you are, even JoS members do. Do you think High Priestess Myla Limlal666 believes a word you type? I would certainly think not! High Priestess Maxine Dietrich might be a NEO-NAZI POS, but she knows what you really are. You know and we all know.

Look at Veronika on Facebook. She is such a see-through confused, mentally disturbed loner. She has friends… they are all herself. The users that aren’t sock accounts? They are not real friends to her. She friends people she plots against. Case in point, VovinPrgel. Veronika Hompo hates VovinPrgel and fourthreich666 ever since “HungARYAN Gone Crazy” and once she has publicly declared her dislike or disapproval of you, you’re on her fucked list and don’t think for a moment that will ever change for any reason, because it won’t, she hates you forever, it’s her personality—or one of her personalities. She made a public point to tell Facebook users she thought VovinPrgel was a fucking asshole. She posted many nasty public posts about VovinPrgel and even fourthreich666 and she hid them later on, only to be seen by select Facebook “friends.” She gets off on this, posting “dumb ignorant jew” about a user from Joy of Satan and then making sure to get them on her friend list, it’s almost funny.

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Does VovinPrgel even know that Veronika Hompo has him or her on her permanent shit list? Most likely not. She believes in keeping those she hates close to her. She doesn’t ever forget or forgive, she made it clear that a curse would be made by her towards VovinPrgel and she wouldn’t change her mind. Funny she probably pretends to be “friends” with this person who has no idea that for years her game is to pull people close in after in her mind they have burned her and then she collects their data off their profile to use against them, even if it’s years later. She’s done this for over 5 years, what means she doesn’t still? She loves it, she gets off on having fake friends she actually hates so she can data collect and do death curses, runic rituals and what not all because she has no area of her damaged brain that is capable of rationalizing anything, even sorting out disagreements. She plans to stab each and every Joy of Satan member in the back as best she can and according to her secret little posts she plans to use Satan to help her destroy each one of them that participated in the topic against her called “HungARYAN Gone Crazy”

Make more stupid rituals and curses, waste your time little girl 😀 I don’t believe in your crazy shit, so it has no effect on me. I don’t even believe in your satan, your devil or hell. Your alien satan is ridiculous science fiction. I think it’s all as stupid as those who take the bible literally.

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How many times do you return as a fake persona? https://www.facebook.com/timea.wilhelm.9 When you're Veronika Hompo, you do it as many times as possible. :D

How many times do you return as a fake persona? When you’re Veronika Hompo, you do it as many times as possible. 😀

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LMFAO! 😀

Veronika Hompo has ALWAYS believed in the Holocaust! Even when she is in the persona of “Nadia” she was constantly posting about Auschwitz. ALL THE TIME. Veronika posted about the Holocaust and her feelings of it’s correlation to her VEGANISM so many times to people who didn’t want her harassing them that she was banned often! Here’s some unedited proof, though the sociopath crybaby Veronika Hompo, the WEAK LOSER, will simply lie about it and then try to cry to WordPress. She cried like a little fucking weak and pathetic whore to Google all because SHE HAD BEEN EXPOSED. She is so weak and powerless that she was obsessing and crying over Google CACHE files, not even REAL, ACTUAL WEB PAGES. Veronika Hompo is WEAK, USELESS and a DNA piece of shit NIGHTMARE with such serious mental disorders that she can’t control herself online. Those of you chatting her up on your forums and blogs, thinking she’s sane… want to know the true Veronika Hompo, the way she is IN REAL LIFE? Just ask and I can deliver the information, privately, of course, to prove she is a socially inept outcast and ghetto trash. She’s never fit in, she’s a street parasite. She knows this is true, which is why she has chosen to pretend to live as something else, someone she isn’t. She’s TRASH and it’s time for someone to TAKE THE TRASH OUT. Hungary is a toilet, for the most part, though there are some quaint, lovely spots and with all due respect to my relatives, their places are not kept like the toilet Veronika Hompo chooses to live in; disheveled, unkempt, forgetting to bathe and never cleaning the tiny squalid area she is confined to. When you are low class, trash and people in town look at you and see you as lower than the Roma’s, the Romani Hungarians, the gypsies, then you know you’re nothing and your weakness is so exposed that all you can do is act out—like a little brat child who was never given a toy.

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There are recent images Veronika Hompo posted, thank you internet free photo hosting site, I found you. Would any JoS nazis want to see them 😀 She loves her some Jewish people and their friends! She is so unaware of the traitor she currently trusts… so much information about her lies and uncontrollable attempt to want and NEED to take over Maxine’s place. She thinks she is learning much faster than others who have been in Joy of Satan for 2 or 3 years and soon can gain the trust of all of the JoS forums, groups, websites—Veronika plans to run your show, JoS, and she is not even an Aryan, but a mixed DNA like most Hungarians — and she has no proof about anything because claiming your last name is a variant of a nazis is just as believable as her own delusions about her actual life, as truthfully believable as her screaming on the internet on 30 profiles, 8 blogs and over 50 emails on Gmail, Yahoo, MSN, Outlook, Hotmail and any other site with free email access she can use to play her games toying with strangers she stalks or with Joy of Satan members. Only she is in denial because she is poverty stricken and needs to cling onto strangers, hoping soon one of you will sucker into paying for her flat, maybe even the first car she could ever drive. A new bed, a real bed, not just filthy mattress on the dirty floor… make her day, play along.

Tell your lies to Joy of Satan, tell them you “avoided the Jews,” but let’s not dance around this Veronika Hompo, who was the friend of many Jews for so many years, and was posting about the Holocaust many times on her Timeline, ridiculing FB users for not being vegan and for not liking the graphic photos posted of Auschwitz, “Nadia” and you posting the ad campaign that compares the slaughter of animals to the murder of Jews in Auschwitz, and you stood up for the campaign and what it stood for, angry as hell! You are who posted Gary Yourofsky’s speeches on the Timeline, always clicking “like” when other FB users posted Gary’s speeches, and Nadia the Pretend, too, she was always posting the gore photos of the Holocaust and saying how horrible they suffered, so why now make animals suffer the same? Don’t try to say this was faked for so long because no one pretends for 4 or 5 or even 6 years to be something and someone they aren’t just to suddenly join some e-cult and flip a switch, you slutty, dirty lying bitch.

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One of MANY posts on Veronika Hompo’s Timeline about her FAVORITE Animal Rights Liberation Movement Activist, a JEW. This man makes Mad Max appear as if she is merely ruler of an online trailer park game app with a few broken, cheap plastic gnomes.

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Wait, what? Since soldiers liberated people from Nazi camps in World War 2? The Nazi camps? Oh, yes, that’s right. It did happen and Veronika Hompo had just temporarily forgotten while on the JoS forum. She remembers when she is not on JoS sites and she remembers when she speaks to her satanist friends who have very, very Jewish boyfriends or girlfriends…you see, then it’s ok, she doesn’t want to talk about it public, though, she’s too busy trying to cover up her stalker issues by pretending a woman she harassed and abused for months is doing things to her that in reality, Veronika Hompo is doing to herself. How does anyone know this? It’s suspected by a clergy member of Jos and by two users on Facebook who are on her friend list…you know, being her…friend. LMAO

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Nadine Cher AKA Nadia Kiss AKA Veronika Hompo. LMAO

Nadine Cher AKA Nadia Kiss AKA Veronika Hompo. LMAO

Veronika aka Nadia aka Nadine aka Anouk aka TimeaWho is winning, HungARYAN? Who is winning, Donnie Danko? Who is winning, Maxine?…*snigger* I meant to say Andrea Runningmouth. Half American Indian you are said to be, yet no brave American or American Indian would be a mail order bride straight outta Trailer Park, USA to meet with a perverted fat old man and marry him.

Does Mr. Herrington only have sex with Jewish women, or does he still fancy young teenage girls barely 14? Has the old man Nazi made advances on MadMax’s Afgani son? He is the right, ripe age that Andrea’s hubby seems like enjoy for his personal pleasure.
Pedophiles seem to be the Nazis, don’t they? Most pedophiles turn out to be former Christians who have found a darkness. That fits the Herrington Clan to a T.

High Priestess Myla Limlal, you allow this stranger to come in and talk to you like you are worthless? She already told Maxine Dietritch that she is old and her information is out of date. What more can she say badly towards you people? She has threatened all of you directly. Still believe she is an asset to Joy of Satan? Says a mouthful for the HP’s if yes.

Andrea Herrington Fails Linguistics (and History) Forever | Can’t Sleep: Jews Will Eat Me | Debunking the claims of Maxine Dietrich and her alien-worshipping Neo-Nazi friends.

THURSDAY, JANUARY 29, 2009

Andrea Herrington Fails Linguistics (and History) Forever

Andrea Herrington is one of the more entertaining kooks on the interweb. For those not aware of who she is, I’ll be brief:

Andrea Herrington (also known as Maxine Dietrich) runs a website called the Joy of Satan. She is a theistic Satanist who believes that Satanism was the original religion before those nasty monotheists showed up to ruin everyone’s fun. Oh, and Satan’s real name is Enki and he’s an extraterrestrial.

But there’s more. She’s also a Neo-Nazi who believes that Jews are not just mistaken, but EVIL. Heresy, you say? Hardly. Her husband, Clifford Herrington, was the leader of the National Socialist Movement until rumors about his wife’s extracurricular activities started to spread. You would think that Neo-Nazis would be more understanding of odd and irrational beliefs, but apparently even they have a limit. Most Neo-Nazis and other white supremacist types today are atheists, Germanic pagans, pantheists or adherents of the Christian Identity movement and apparently, they weren’t that enamored with theology as… unique as the Herringtons’. The fall of the Herringtons is long and complicated and not the point of this article either, so I’ll leave it at that. Those who are so inclined can visit the Anti-Defamation League for more juicy gossip.

Back to Andrea’s beliefs. Aside from the fact that she’s on record as a hater of all things Jew, most of her history is based on either popular misconception (i.e. the medieval Catholic Church was an all-powerful organization that operated like the Mafia) or bizarre assertions pulled out of some dark crevice of her ass (i.e. only Jews practiced blood sacrifice.) She has sources for her ravings, but unfortunately, most of them are the work of people like Zecharia Sitchin. Sitchin has been criticized repeatedly for his lack of knowledge about science, the Bible and the Sumerian, Akkadian and Hebrew languages. Valid criticisms all, but next to Andrea, Sitchin is William fucking Albright.

It’s also ironic (or not) that most of her sources are identical to the ones used by far-right Christian kooks like Jack Chick, Berit and Andy Kjos and Ralph Epperson.

GENERAL MISTAKES
Andrea and her followers’ biggest problem (aside from the obvious) is that they seem to be completely unaware that languages change. The English we speak today is not the same as the English we spoke in centuries past. If you doubt that, read these passages:

Your eyën two will slay me suddenly:
I may the beauty of them not sustene,
So woundeth it throughout my hertë ken.
And but your word will helen hastily
My hertës woundë, while that it is green,
Your eyën two will slay me suddenly:
I may the beauty of them not sustene

Hwæt. We Gardena in gear-dagum,
þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.

Both of these passages, my friends, are written in English. But the first passage is an example of Middle English (written some time in the 14th century) while the latter is an example of Old English (written some time between the 8th and 11th centuries.)

This is important because many times the articles authored by JoS clergy will assert that certain English words were “stolen” from other languages based on the fact that the words look similar. Now that that’s out of the way, let’s get to the debunking!

The main Gods who interacted with humanity and are our creators (through genetic engineering) are the race of Gods known as the Nordics. They live throughout the galaxy in several different solar systems. They are highly advanced in knowledge, intelligence, and in spirit. Some are helpful to humans as are Satan and the Elder Gods who have been labeled as “Demons.” [1]

I wonder what JoS’ definition of Nordic is. I was under the impression that Nordic referred to Northern European, particularly Teutonic, peoples. Then again, they might be going by the writings of people like Benjamin Creme.

The Tarot has a hidden message and instructions for performing the Magnum Opus. From the Tarot, the Jewish invented “Torah” was stolen, with the original teachings being thoroughly corrupted. The Jewish “Torah” is also known as “The Five Books of Moses” (another fictitious Jewish character based upon Sargon and Thutmose) or the “Pentateuch.” The five books were rip-offs from the five suits of the Tarot: Wands/Rods (the element of fire), Pentacles/Coins (the element of earth), Cups (the element of water) and Swords (the element of air), with the trump being the aether or quintessence. All five elements form the essence of the human soul (the fifth element of quintessence holds the four together) and are employed in the working of the Magnum Opus. [1]

To begin with, the Hebrew written “Five Books of Moses” also known as the “Pentateuch”, along with the “Torah” were STOLEN and CORRUPTED from the Egyptian “TAROT.” Note- “Torah” is an anagram of “Tarot.” [4]

In the real word, as opposed to the Bizarro parallel world that the Herringtons and friends inhabit, the Torah dates back to somewhere around 1313 BCE whereas the Tarot appeared in the 15th century CE.Tarot is actually a French word, not an Egyptian one, that was derived from the Italian, tarocchi, a word whose origin is not certain. In any case, tarot was originally called “trionfi”, Italian for triumph or trump, referring to the trump cards.

To be fair, the claim that the Tarot is Egyptian was first put forth by the occultist, Antoine Court de Gébelin. This claim, however, has been discarded by historians because Court wrote his history of the Tarot before the discovery of the Rosetta Stone and therefore, his theory is pure speculation. He also claimed that Tarot was derived from the Egyptian words, “ta” (royal) and “ro” (road). That probably isn’t the case, but it’s still more believable than JoS’ claim that Tarot is an anagram of the Hebrew, Torah (especially since that anagram would only work with the Latin alphabet, which I’m pretty sure Hebrew didn’t use in the 12th century BCE.)

Torah, by the way, is Hebrew for teaching, instruction or “the Law.”

Aleister Crowley while in a trance state, drew a picture of what is known to be “Jehova” (a corruption of “YHVH” another rip-off of the four quarters and elements, making the ‘name’ unpronouncable) [1]

So great is JoS’ hatred for Jews that they apparently never bothered to learn a thing about Hebrew. The Hebrew alphabet, like that of its cousin Arabic, lacks vowels. What it has instead is the “niqqud.”

What does this mean? Basically this: that the tetragrammaton lacks vowels is not unusual. Biblical Hebrew often omitted the niqqud all together because of the assumptions of its writers (i.e. that people would know where the vowels go.)

A final mistake is claiming that the name is unpronounceable. Well, its not pronounced anymore by observant Jews, but that doesn’t mean that they never pronounced it. When the Temple was still standing in Jerusalem, the High Priest would pronounce the tetragrammaton every Yom Kippur. However, since the Temple was destroyed in 70 CE, this is no longer done.

“Hell” emerged on the scene. The word “Hell” was stolen from the Norse word “Hel” representing the Norse underworld. In truth, “Heaven” and “Hell” are code-words for the base and crown chakras. [1]

Arguing that the word Hell was stolen is a misunderstanding of etymology. Their point of view is also excessively English-centric, which presents a problem. The linguas francas at the time of Christianity’s emergence were Latin and Greek. In Latin, the word for hell is “infernum,” while in Greek, it’s “tártara.” Maybe I need stronger glasses, but infernum and tártara don’t look like they were stolen from “Hel” to me.

Furthermore, it is extremely unlikely that the authors of the gospels, the church fathers, and/or Paul of Tarsus (whom Andrea credits as the founder of Christianity) spoke English, seeing as how even Old English only dates to the fifth century. I greatly admire anyone who can steal the name of a Norse goddess they’ve probably never heard of for a language that does not yet exist. They would be high-powered stockbrokers, no doubt, if they were alive today.

The modern word ‘hell’ derives from the old English “hel” and “helle”, and yes, it is a cognate of the Old Norse name of the netherworld. Amazingly, they actually got something right. I’m not even going to bother with the claims about chakras though. Just… no.

3. “Satan” in Hebrew means “adversary,” but the Hebrew language was derived from other languages that preceded it by hundreds to thousands of years. The Hebrew letters are derived from Phoenician and Phoenician was derived from hieroglyphics; cuneiform- just research any text book on the origins of languages. [2]

Both Phoenician and Hebrew are classified as Canaanite languages, which are in the Semitic family of the larger Afro-Asiatic family.

The Joy of Satan clergy also seem to have misunderstood what Egyptian hieroglyphics and Sumerian cuneiform were. They are writing systems—like runes or the Latin alphabet—not separate languages.

So where did Phoenician and Hebrew come from then, you ask? Probably Canaanite, as demonstrated by this family tree. Notice, however, that Sumerian is not listed anywhere in this diagram. This is because Sumerian, like Basque and Korean, is classified by linguists as a language isolate.

Note in the upper northwest corner of the map of India, the name of the town “Satana.” “Satnam” and “Sa Ta Na Ma” are sacred mantras used in kundalini (serpent) meditation. The five primal sounds in Ancient Sanskrit, one of the oldest known languages are “SA-TA-NA-MA.” “Sa” means infinity; Ta means life; Na means death; and Ma means rebirth. The Jews who wrote the bible, obviously at some point shortened “Sa-Ta-Na-Ma” to “Satan” which cuts off at death. This was in further attempts to remove knowledge and replace it. The nazarene was invented as a distraction for the masses and nothing more. [2]

The JoS really really need to learn about the wonderful world of false friends. There are a number of pages on the ‘net that claim to have established a link between Hebrew and Sanskrit. The problem is that they do this by simply comparing lexicon, and some similarities in lexicon do not prove a relationship. Actual linguists compare syntax and phonological and morphological systems as well. I suspect that most sites comparing Sanskrit and Hebrew don’t mention syntax or phonological and morphological systems because they probably don’t know what they are.

There have been many conflicting articles concerning the Yezidi Devil worshippers of Iraq. The Yezidi people originally came from Southern Iraq and migrated north to Mount Lalish. It is believed they are descendants of the Assyrians who sought refuge after the fall of Nineveh in 612 BCE. [3]

Sorry, but no. The Yezidi, by and large, are KURDS, and therefore, they’re more closely related to the Persians than the Assyrians. There areAssyrians alive in the Middle East today, but most of them are Syriac Christians, not Yezidi.

The name “Jehova” was stolen from the Roman God “Jove.” “The pious Dr. Parkhurst. . . proves, from the authority of Diodorus Siculus, Varro, St. Augustine, etc., that the Iao, Jehova, or ieue, or ie of the Jews was the Jove of the Latins and Etruscans…””YHWH/IEUE was additionally the Egyptian Sun God Ra: Ra was the father in heaven, who has the title of ‘Huhi’ the eternal, from which the Hebrews derived the name ‘Ihuh.'” [4]

Remember what I said above about false friends? Uh-huh… Jehovah is the English rendering of YHVH or יְהֹוָה. It’s been argued that “Jehovah” is based on a misunderstanding. The Jews rarely pronounced YHVH and used ‘Adonai’ or ‘Elohim’ instead when reading aloud from scripture. Where YHVH originates is hard to say, though it was already in use by the time of the Babylonian captivity, in the 6th century BCE. That throws some dirt on Andrea’s theory, considering that the Jews had little-to-no contact with the Romans or their god, Jupiter, until Rome conquered Judea in the 1st century BCE.

The name Jupiter, incidentally, was derived from the Latin, “lovis pater” and “Iovis” was eventually turned into Jove by English writers.

Most wound up in the “Goetia.” Note the similarity of the root “Goet” meaning “Devil” and the derogatory Jewish word for Gentile, which is “goy” or plural, “goyim.” [5]

(“goy” or “goyim” – plural, are Jewish derogatory words for “Gentile/s” the root “goeti” is the root word of “Devil.” Satan is the God of the Gentiles and our True Creator God. “Satan” means “enemy” in Hebrew. [7]

Goetia is a Latin word derived from the Greek, γοητεια (goeteiam, meaning “charm” or “jugglery”) which was derived in turn from the Greek word for sorcerer, γοης.

Goyim is indeed a Hebrew word often used to refer to Gentiles. However,goyim literally means “nation”or “people” and has no connection with devils or demons. Your mileage may vary about the question of whether or not goyim is “derogatory.”

Note “Jesus” the five letters represent the five elemtnts- fire, earth, air, water, and quintessence of the human soul [6]

I suppose the JoS clergy assumes “Jesus” was the name first applied to the Nazarene? Sorry, but no. Jesus is “an Anglicization of the Greek Ίησους (Iēsous), itself a Hellenization of the Hebrew יהושע (Yehoshua) or Hebrew-Aramaic ישוע (Yeshua), meaning ‘YHWH rescues.'” Had the New Testament not been written in Greek, we might have known Jesus as Joshua, but more about that can be found here.

“Easter” was stolen from Astaroth. Originally known as “Ashtar.” This holiday coincides with the Vernal Equinox of spring when day and night are of equal length. Known as “Eastre” to the Anglo-Saxons. As the Goddess of fertility, she was associated with rabbits and eggs. The xtians stole this holiday and twisted its meaning. Other names include: Easter Eastre Eos Eostre Ester Estrus (Estrus is when an animal goes into heat; mating season) Oestrus Oistros and Ostara. Again, the “Lamb of God” was stolen from the Zodiac sign of Aries the Ram which occurs every spring. [6]

You know, there’s a great dictionary of etymology over here. Try and use it sometime. And once again, Andrea and co.’s view is very English-centric. There are Christians who don’t speak English, after all, and they don’t call Easter, well, “Easter.” Speakers of Romance languages call Easter by its Greek name, Pascha, which was derived from Pesach, the Hebrew Passover. Speakers of many Slavic languages call it “Great Day” in their respective tongues. In Croatian and Serbian, Easter is called Uskrs, “Resurrection.”

So where does the English word, “Easter?” come from? That dictionary of etymology I linked to above says Easter is derived from the Old English,Eastre. According to the Venerable Bede, Eostre was an Anglo-Saxon goddess of the dawn whose name was co-opted by Anglo-Saxon Christians for the celebration of the resurrection of Christ.

The article mentions “Ostara” and had Andrea spent more time doing research and less time doing LSD, she’d know that Ostara was first mentioned by Jakob Grimm, of Brothers Grimm fame. He speculated that Ostara was a German goddess that the German Easter, Ostern was based on. (While we’re on the subject, the neo-pagan holiday of Ostara is a mixture of different spring fertility celebrations and there seems to be no actual record of a historical holiday called Ostara.)

So does that mean that the whole idea of Easter was stolen from Germanic and Anglo-Saxon religion? Probably not. The idea of the celebration was not invented by Anglo-Saxons and the Venerable Bede’s theory about Easter coming from the goddess Eostre was just that. Eostre has no certain parallel in North Germanic languages, though Jacob Grimm suggested Eostre may be related to the figure of Austri, from a 13th century Prose Edda. So, in short: whether or not Eostre was actually ever worshipped is up for debate. Either way, neither the Venerable Bede nor Jakob Grimm ever claimed that she was associated with rabbits or eggs.

Moving on, the claim that the “Lamb of God” was stolen from the Zodiac sign/constellation Aries is another thing straight out of Bizarro world. The Lamb of God actually comes out of Passover tradition when the Temple in Jerusalem was still intact. Every Passover, a lamb would be slain, its blood spread on the altar and the flesh eaten. Now since I know most of the Joy of Satan clergy has a difficult time grasping metaphor, I’ll spell it out: in calling Jesus Christ the “Lamb of God”, his followers were saying that he was a sacrificial lamb offered up to repent for humanity’s sins. There’s an alternative theory that the phrase should actually be translated as “son of God”, but either way, it doesn’t have a thing to do with Aries the Ram.

Speaking of, Aries actually refers to a golden ram that rescued Phrixus and Helle from being sacrificed due to the lies of their stepmother, Ino. Helle fell off the back of the ram and drowned, though Phrixus reached dry land safely and sacrificed the ram to Zeus in thanks. The ram’s golden fleece was given to Aeëtes and that golden fleece became the very fleece that Jason sought to claim in myth of Jason, Medea and the Argonauts.

The Rosary was stolen from Tibetan Mala Beads, used for meditation. The repetition of the “Hail Marys” and the “our fathers” are stolen from the East Asian Mantras. A Mantra is a word repeated over and over to focus the mind in meditation. “Ohm” is the most common. The robotic repetitious prayers recited over and over again in Christian Churches are also corrupted imitations of mantras. [6]

… Right. And the Desert Fathers knew what Buddhists were doing in Tibet… how, exactly?

And sadly, their definition of a mantra is, at best, an oversimplification.

“Amen” when said at the end of Christian prayers was STOLEN as well. “Amen” was stolen from the Egyptian “Amon.” “Amon RA.” [6]

Amen is actually Old English, derived from the Greek “amen, which was in turn derived from the Hebrew “amen”, meaning truth. It was often used as a term to confirm agreement, from Semitic root a-m-n “to be trustworthy, confirm, support.” This is why, even today, people often respond to a statement that heartily agree with with “Amen!” Amon, conversely, was apparently Egyptian for “hidden.”

The Tarot, which originated in Egypt and is based upon the constellations (Egypt was the center of Spiritual Alchemy) has evolved into a deck of cards, of which modern playing cards originated after the trump was discarded.

There’s no concrete evidence that the Tarot came from Egypt, unless Andrea and friends have a large collection of manuscripts stored away somewhere. As far as we can definitely tell, the first Tarot decks originated in 15th century Italy.

It’s true that playing cards in general first entered Europe by way of the Egyptian Mamluke Sultanate, sometime in the 11th or 12th century, but there’s no reason to suppose that the Mamlukes were sekritly into Egyptian mysticism. Most of the the Mamulkes came from the areas around the Caucasus and were, therefore, no more “Egyptian” thanCleopatra VII.

Michael the archangel is the same and was stolen from Marduk. Archangel “Gabriel” was stolen from the Egyptian God Thoth, Raphael was stolen from Azazel and Uriel from Beelzebub.

Michael, Gabriel, Raphael and Uriel began as Chaldean demi-gods, not a Babylonian god, an Egyptian god, a Talmudic angel and a Philistine idol.

This is one of the many, many examples of the Joy of Satan clergy asserting that some Jewish or Christian angel/god/biblical figure was stolen from something in some other religion, and then fail to back up that claim. What are the similarities between say, Raphael and Azazel?

The “Horned God” originates to Sumeria. The Sumerian Gods wore headgear with horns. This predates Judeo/Christianity by thousands of years. Pagan religions were known for their worship of the Horned God. [1]

Kind of like Vikings? (Or not: apparently Vikings never wore horned helmets. Damn.)

Anyway, the Horned God myth was advocated by Margaret Murray in the 1930s, but it’s been discredited and Andrea’s version is even more bizarre. At least Murray could point to actual horned gods in ancient European religions, like Pan or Cernunnos. As far as I’m aware, there is no Sumerian god with horns; hell, there’s not even a Akkadian or Assyrian god with horns.

Next time on, “Can’t Sleep: Jews Will Eat Me”… The Joy of Satan Ministries and the Inquisition.

Debunking the Joy of Satan (from Occultforum.org)

Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:32 am

I decided to pick at random some of the many statements on the Joy of Satan website. I analyzed these statements and presented evidence contrary to what they teach. Keep in mind I did not try to debate their philosophical points, because we are all entitled to believe in whatever philosophy we choose. Here are some things to ponder before you become a Neo-Nazi Satanist (btw…thats so fucking edgy).

“Spiritual Satanism does not in any way conflict with science. We strongly encourage and support all scientific knowledge and enquiry.”

Yes it does. Several of the claims on the JoS website about the origin’s of life on earth and Etc. directly conflict with scientific knowledge as will be shown. Furthermore, science has nothing to say about the existence of “Satan.” Science does not say Satan is real or not real, therefore in regards to Satan, science does not conflict with nor support the belief therein. Thus, there is literally no reason to mention science in regards to a personal belief in Satan.

Satan is the Sumerian God known as “EA” or “ENKI.” He is a GOD, not an angel!
The Gods are an extra-terrestrial humanoid race of beings. In the Christian bible, they are referred to as the “Nephilim.” These beings are very evolved, highly advanced, and immensely knowledgable and powerful. They genetically modified their DNA, so they do not age.

If you want to believe that Ea is Enki is Satan, thats fine. We could debate the finer points, but I’ll let you have this one and just say “sure. why not.” I want you to consider instead the statement about the Nephilim being “Gods” who “genetically modified their DNA, so they do not age.” You’re free to believe in the ancient alien theory, but lets remember that they said “nothing about spiritual satanism conflicts with science.” So, does science say that the nephilim were gods (aliens) that came to the earth? Of course not. There is literally 0 evidence for anything like this except for ancient stories told by primitive man, and that is not evidence. So what does science say about the Nephilim? The Nephilim of Genesis were Neanderthals. Yup. Not as exciting as DNA mutating alien gods…but thats the reality of it. Check out this episode with archeologist Simcha Jacobovici. He explains and shows that the Nephilim in Genesis were ancient Neanderthals who, of course, did not mutate their DNA nor do they live forever. He shows all this using science rather than personal beliefs, unlike the JoS.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1237712 (im sure you can find the episode on YouTube or the Piratebay…doubt you’ll look though ;) ) Again, you’re free to think that there were ancient alien gods who mutated their own DNA so that they could live forever, and that the Bible called them the “Nephilim,” but if you do that you are lying when claiming “Spiritual Satanism does not in any way conflict with science.”

Many of us have seen him, we have witnessed the so-called supernatural, and we have been given abilities way beyond that of the average person.

The first error in this statement is claiming that they have witnessed the “supernatural.” Our world is a natural world. We are natural beings living within a very natural world. Supernatural means “beyond the natural.” If something supernatural occured in our natural world, we as natural beings would not even be aware of it…because the event would literally be beyond our natural senses – hence “beyond the natural.” So no. Neither they, nor anyone else, could experience something “supernatural.” The second mistake, of course, is claiming that they have been given abilities “way beyond that of the average person.” I assume these are “supernatural” abilities, right? No wait, I already showed that they couldn’t possibly have supernatural abilities…so maybe just psychic or “paranormal” abilities then? If this is the case, I challenge the JoS leading ministers to demonstrate their “above average” abilities. After all, science is about proving or disproving something, right? And you all love science so much. James Randi is offering 1 million $$$ to anyone who can demonstrate any type of paranormal or psychic ability. So why not take him up on his challenge? He will pay for your flight and hotel arrangements, costing you nothing out of pocket. Besides, with your crazy paranormal powers it will be the easiest million $$$ you will ever make, right? So why not? And please dont say “No. Thats not how it works. Its not about money.” Because then I’ll have to ask, “Then why do you have a store on your website?” Heres the link. Let us all know when you have set up a meeting with Mr. Randi. – http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

As opposed to hysterical Christian claims, Satanism is not in any way about blood sacrifice.

Except when you are dedicating yourself to Satan and sacrificing your life and soul to him, right? In English we call this a “contradiction.” In science I’m pretty sure this is called “bullshit.” See below.

When you are ready, you can light the candle. Take the needle,prick the index finger of your left hand, squeeze some blood out.
Satan dictated the Al Jilwah directly to Yezidi prophet Sheik Adi in the 12th century.

The Al Jilwah has a lot of good things to say in regards to Sinister Philosophy. But it was literally dictated by Satan himself? Are you sure? Check this out: “Then Adam ate of the grain and immediately his belly was inflated. But Melek Ts drove him out of the garden, and leaving him, ascended into heaven. Now Adam was troubled because his belly was inflated, for he had no outlet. God therefore sent a bird to him which pecked at his anus and made an outlet, and Adam was relieved.” So Satan is claiming that humans have an asshole because a bird pecked at his rear-end? And here I thought Satan was all-knowing? You’d think Satan would know about evolution. Oh but this is a metaphoric story, right? Then how do you know the rest of the book isn’t metaphoric, or even that “dictated by Satan” isn’t metaphoric? By the way…the bird pecking and creating the anus directly conflicts with science…so I caught you at that lie again:P

I was going to write this whole big lecture of why Nazism has nothing to do with Satanism, but I decided it wasn’t needed. So heres the claim I’ll make: Hitler was a Christian, and if you want to follow in his footsteps, then you should become a Christian. If you pranced around Nazi Germany claiming to be a Satanist you would have been gassed right along with the Jews. And now some quotes!

“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”

[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

“….the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil
assumes the living shape of the Jew.”

[Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 11, precisely echoing
Martin Luther’s teachings]

“Today Christians … stand at the head of [this country]… I pledge
that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy
Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian
spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in
literature, in the theater, and in the press – in short, we want to
burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole
life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past …
(few) years.”

[The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford
University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:41 am

I haven’t read this piece yet,but will after replying.

Why reply before reading you may ask?

The title,that’s why.

JOS is a Neo Nazi cult masquerading as a legitimate organisation.We do not support nor give the oxygen of publicity to them here on OF.org,if at all possible.
Our site policy has strict rules in regard to hate groups and their ideologies and we act on these,unequivocably and without exception.

I’m putting this here so all and any readers are made aware that this is so,even though having read our rules and that by agreeing to them on sign up,they should already be informed that we do not tolerate any kind of bigotry or hate speech/groups.

Post that shit,get kicked.Permanent.No exceptions.

I’ve written a lot of posts about this group here,as have other members.This tends to come up from time to time as folk who are starting out find information about them and come here to enquire further.

I’m quite glad they do this,actually, as we can help educate on why JOS is dangerous to those who are drawn to it in ignorance of it’s reality.

Having said all this,now I’m going to read before commenting any further.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:03 pm

Ah.

Keep in mind I did not try to debate their philosophical points, because we are all entitled to believe in whatever philosophy we choose.

You’ve said this at the start,then proceeded to do just what you claimed you would not.

Is this a debunk of JOS or a debunk of Spiritual Satansism as a whole,because most of it reads as the latter and not the former?

The fact that JOS is Neo Nazi is quite far down the page and it’s only given a small nod,yet in my mind and the mind of so many others who know of these arse holes or who have experience of them previously,it’s by far and away the most immediate point to consider in regard to debunking them as a Religious group.
This is an important consideration and distinction to make,particularly as a belief in Spiritual Satanism of and in itself is not in any way inherently or otherwise dangerous to any person and JOS is by far not the only group or site or individual which espouses [ in JOS’s case claims/pretends to espouse…] Spiritual ,Religious and/or Philosophical beliefs about or in regard to Satan.

You may or may not get responses to this post,but if you do and they are antagonistic towards what you’ve written it will most likely be because of your stance on the philosophical/religious views of Spiritual Satanism in general and not because of Neo Nazism within a Spiritual group. You have also broadly painted all Spirituality regarding Satanism into one small corner and labelled it according to JOS viewpoints on it,which is grossly innacurate and incredibly unfair.

Also,this part of your statement,quoted below, could apply equally to anybody holding any kind of what you’ve termed ‘supernatural’ beliefs and not just to Satanism/JOS.

I feel this bears pointing out,as while we value individuality and acknowledge a wide variety of beliefs and disbeliefs on the forum we do not recognise. endorse,validate or otherwise uphold any one belief set above the others as being more true or correct and that includes Atheistic mindsets too.

The first error in this statement is claiming that they have witnessed the “supernatural.” Our world is a natural world. We are natural beings living within a very natural world. Supernatural means “beyond the natural.” If something supernatural occured in our natural world, we as natural beings would not even be aware of it…because the event would literally be beyond our natural senses – hence “beyond the natural.” So no. Neither they, nor anyone else, could experience something “supernatural.” The second mistake, of course, is claiming that they have been given abilities “way beyond that of the average person.” I assume these are “supernatural” abilities, right? No wait, I already showed that they couldn’t possibly have supernatural abilities…so maybe just psychic or “paranormal” abilities then? If this is the case, I challenge the JoS leading ministers to demonstrate their “above average” abilities. After all, science is about proving or disproving something, right? And you all love science so much. James Randi is offering 1 million $$$ to anyone who can demonstrate any type of paranormal or psychic ability. So why not take him up on his challenge? He will pay for your flight and hotel arrangements, costing you nothing out of pocket. Besides, with your crazy paranormal powers it will be the easiest million $$$ you will ever make, right? So why not? And please dont say “No. Thats not how it works. Its not about money.” Because then I’ll have to ask, “Then why do you have a store on your website?” Heres the link. Let us all know when you have set up a meeting with Mr. Randi. – http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

Enki as Satan is also not the only form of deification of Satan,or expression of Satan as an individual entity,so this is also a broad stroke of inclusion,which does not apply to all Spiritual or indeed Theistic Satanism any more than JOS speaks for all Spiritual and/or Theistic Satanists.

Just saying.

And here’s a handy exposition on JOS Spiritual/Ritual practices,written from a dissenting, yet still Theistic Satanist’s viewpoint,for some balance. [Diane Vera is ex JOS clergy so the view is one which is perhaps particularly relevant here] :

http://theisticsatanism.com/Demons/JoS.html

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Rin » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:53 pm

The first error in this statement is claiming that they have witnessed the “supernatural.” Our world is a natural world. We are natural beings living within a very natural world. Supernatural means “beyond the natural.” If something supernatural occured in our natural world, we as natural beings would not even be aware of it…because the event would literally be beyond our natural senses – hence “beyond the natural.” So no. Neither they, nor anyone else, could experience something “supernatural.” The second mistake, of course, is claiming that they have been given abilities “way beyond that of the average person.” I assume these are “supernatural” abilities, right? No wait, I already showed that they couldn’t possibly have supernatural abilities…so maybe just psychic or “paranormal” abilities then? If this is the case, I challenge the JoS leading ministers to demonstrate their “above average” abilities. After all, science is about proving or disproving something, right? And you all love science so much. James Randi is offering 1 million $$$ to anyone who can demonstrate any type of paranormal or psychic ability. So why not take him up on his challenge? He will pay for your flight and hotel arrangements, costing you nothing out of pocket. Besides, with your crazy paranormal powers it will be the easiest million $$$ you will ever make, right? So why not? And please dont say “No. Thats not how it works. Its not about money.” Because then I’ll have to ask, “Then why do you have a store on your website?” Heres the link. Let us all know when you have set up a meeting with Mr. Randi. – http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

I’m certainly not a fan of JOS, but this whole ‘well if they have supernormal abilities, why haven’t they cashed in the randi challenge yet?’ argument is a silly one. Randi is a hack, and his challenge isn’t about scientific inquiry into what is and isn’t possible (especially given that he’s an entertainer, not a scientist) but about boosting his own reputation and income by latching onto the fame of well known “TV psychics” and similarly fraudulent entertainers. There are a lot of facts that stand as proof of this, not the least among them the fact that Randi will only accept participants who already have some measure of fame and has refused many unknowns, or that he requires them to sign a contract which not only allows him to set and change the requirements for ‘success,’ but allows him to explain or frame the events in any way he chooses with no legal recourse for the participant. I can’t be bothered with a more detailed write up of how meaningless Randi’s challenge is, but here’s one written by a blogger:

Related Post: Can You Win Randi’s Million Dollar Challenge?

To get on a blog and tell people you are psychic is to have skeptics immediately invite you to take magician James Randi’s million dollar challenge. Rather than reply to every comment of that sort that comes through, I’ve set up this page to deal with this subject. I will demonstrate here that there is no reason to take this challenge seriously. Oh, and by the way, James Randi is a climate change denier. (I think this says a lot about his frame of mind.)

First of all, the challenge is meaningless by scientific standards. It’s not a study and it can’t be replicated. It’s a one off. As it is entirely controlled by one person who has no scientific experience, is known to have strong views and has published no scientific peer reviewed papers on the subject, The challenge carries no scientific weight whatsoever.

Compare that to the Parapsychological Association, which is a member of the The American Association for the Advancement of Science and regularly publishes peer reviewed studies. Here is what real evidence looks like.

By far the most damning evidence that this challenge is a mere publicity stunt is that Randi does not take all comers.

He has explicitly refused to test homeopath John Benneth (who has issued a $100,000 challenge to any person who can demonstrate, under conditions similar to James “the Amazing” Randi’s Psychic Challenge, that the Psychic Challenge is a valid offer for proof of psychic powers.), Professor George Vithoulkas’s homeopathy experiments similarly never got tested and backed down from a challenge issued by Dr. Jule Eisenbud, who wagered $100K that Randi could not duplicate the “thought photography” of Ted Serios, even with the aid of a prop in which a gimmick could be housed. Randi has ignored challenges to the test such as English psychic Chris Robinson. Dick Bierman, PhD proposed a presentiment test to Randi which Randi simply never followed up on. This brings up a legitimate question: who else is he ignoring?

By doing this, the main claim of the challenge, -that no one can pass it and therefore psychic ability does not exist- is voided and any tenuous claims to being scientific are invalidated.

Skeptics seem to think that this challenge means something; that if psychic ability were real, someone would pass the test. This assumption rests on the belief that this challenge is reasonable and fairly administered. But where is the proof of this? Science demands openness. A parapsychological study run like Randi’s challenge would never get out of the gate.

John Benneth, (homeopath) points out that the challenge is not an actual contract, lacks third party mediation and in his words:

Randi has expressly told me that he will not deal with attorneys. As an instrument, its unilateral. Like a fiat from the King, or a papal bull. It gives the applicant no recourse in case Randi harms him; in fact, the applicant has to forego any rights of recompense if Randi harms him.
But the biggest thing is that Randi’s signature has never appeared underneath it. It’s a hoax. It was conceived of by an entertainer, a man who has made a career deceiving and tricking people, a particularly nasty little man who has a grudge to bear against the world, revealed in the animosity routinely shown towards applicants.
How is it that one can expect to have an AGREEMENT with someone who is calling you derogatory names, ridiculing and CHALLENGING you?

He has a point actually. The Daily Grail points out that Rules #4 (allowing Randi to use the data from the experiment in any way he chooses and #8 (denying the applicant legal recourse), when combined allow Randi the option to lie about the results and get away with it.

John Benneth went back and forth in 70 e-mails with Randi. The Vithoulkas experiment process dragged on for two two years, the Zibarov process dragged on for two years, Carina Landin, went through a 3 year process. Only one of these actually came to down to an actual test and that one was botched.

For that matter, how many people have actually gone down to Florida to take the challenge? Randi’s website is decidedly vague on this point. Why is this information missing?

After doing a bit of research on the JREF site, I found out some interesting things. First, many applicants have no clue how to put their abilities up to a scientific test. Once they start in on the process, many drop out. The fact is, performing a psychic ability for a scientific test is much harder than it first appears. They also find out an extra requirement not stated up front: There is a time limit for the preliminary challenge: eight hours.

This time limit is quite a barrier to success. It prevents people from building up statistical significance through sheer repetition, which is how it’s done in every scientific study. Most parapsychological studies do not test for more than a couple of hours at a time, having found that psychic ability wanes quickly as mental exhaustion sets in. There is no reason for the time limit since the applicant is paying all expenses. In fact, in the case that I studied, the number of repetitions was limited. What this means is that psychic ability is not being tested. Extraordinary psychic ability is being tested. This distinction is important. You cannot make claims about psychic ability if you’re testing for something else.

In the case of Pavel Ziborov he had gotten all the way through the process, having agreed to 100 repetitions within the eight hour time limit only to have Randi come back and limit his challenge to 20 repetitions, thereby violating his own protocol and ensuring that nothing less than near total perfection could pass the challenge. No explanation was given for this change which Mr. Ziborov wisely refused. On the JREF site it is simply noted that the challenger had refused to accept the protocol. In other words, Mr. Ziborov’s attempt was cast in the worst possible light. (Mr. Ziborov has posted his response to JREF in the comments below.)

Randi has also claimed that once the parameters are set, neither he nor anyone else can change them, yet it was done here. How is that? Simple. Randi NEVER accepted the application. Mr. Ziborov was going back and forth with JREF for almost two years and in that time he was never formally declared an applicant. It appears that this a loophole in the process that has been exploited to prevent legal challenges to his methods. If nothing is signed, there is no contract and the person applying has no legal means to force a reasonable challenge. It appears that when James Randi talks about the fairness of the challenge, he is referring to accepted applicants, who can only achieve this status by agreeing to absolutely everything Randi demands whether it is reasonable or not.

When I went through the forum postings for the Ziborov challenge, I noted that he was referred to as a “woo.” This is an abbreviation of woo woo. In other words, the challenger was being insulted. Throughout the discussion, other posters on the forum make it clear that they do not believe that he has this talent; effectively saying that he is either a liar, con artist or deluded. These are the people responsible for setting up the challenge and possibly administering it. The bias is clearly strong.

This is extremely important because another undocumented “feature” of the challenge is that the applicant may not bring anyone in either for moral support or to assist or monitor the challenge. There is no way to prevent JREF errors or mischief during the testing. Because the people administering the test are JREF volunteers and are self selected for being strongly skeptical of psi, (they are volunteering their time to a skeptical organization after all,) the chance of errors due to cognitive dissonance and inexperience are actually quite high and there is nothing to prevent them from either covering up any mistakes or simply not catch them at all. JREF is under no obligation to publish a full account of the test nor make good on any JREF errors in the event they occur and are discovered.

There is also the fact that an extremely important bit of information that is lacking. You cannot find it in the FAQ, nor on the application, nor does Mr. Randi talk about it. There is no way that withholding of this information is anything but deliberate. The way this challenge is currently set up, it is in my opinion, a trap designed to disgrace and humiliate the people who take up the challenge.

To easily understand this, let us take the analogy of Mr. Smith’s jumping challenge. Mr. Smith does not believe that the ability to jump actually exists and he has a million dollar challenge to anyone who can prove to him that jumping exists under laboratory conditions. You have to apply for the challenge and bear all travel expenses to Mr. Smith’s facilities. You can help design the experiment and everything will be measured with complete accuracy.

So what’s wrong? If you can jump you should take the challenge right? By now, you should notice what’s missing. There is nothing in the previous statement about how high you have to jump. Wouldn’t you want to know this before you applied for the challenge? Because if the height you have to jump is unreasonable, there is certainly no point in applying. Misdirection has been applied here by confusing the requirements with the testing procedures.

But how can you do this with psi? If someone makes a claim, all they have to do is live up to it right? The answer is that parapsychology is a science that relies on statistics. It is well known that psychic ability is not automatic. People get some answers right and some wrong and statistics must be used to determine if this occurred due to chance or not.

All statistical measurements of psi ability can therefore be expressed as odds against chance. All you have to do is set up a test where the exact odds for chance are known. (i.e. picking the correct picture out of a set of four yields a 25% chance outcome with odds against chance for one trial at 1 in 4.) Certainly JREF would never allow a test where this sort of computation couldn’t be done, nor should they. Statistical certainty is essential for determining success.

So if James Randi wanted to tell people what his requirements were, all he would have to do is tell them what odds against chance he would accept for someone to claim the million dollar prize. He could use words like “approximately” to indicate that there was some flexibility. There is nothing vague or complicated about this, yet this is not mentioned at all even though the challenge application and FAQ were recently re-written to address a number of valid complaints.

Why does he leave out this crucial bit of information? Because it allows Randi to work behind the scenes to make the challenge as difficult as possible. It is well known within scientific circles that the odds against chance that James Randi will accept are 1,000 to 1 for the preliminary challenge and 1,000,000 to 1 for the main challenge. The odds for the main challenge are the equivalent of asking a person to stand under a 20′ high wall and jump over it. And if their foot brushes the top? That’s a failure; too bad, so sad, get lost.

You can’t find this out of course until after you’ve applied. While psychics can, conceivably overcome odds of a thousand to one, it’s extremely doubtful that they can do this under both the pressure of performing, in the presence of extreme skeptics, within eight hours and having their number of trials arbitrarily limited. It is a worse case scenario for demonstrating psychic ability. Beating 1,000,000 to one odds is completely out of the question. Bear in mind that should a psychic show a sudden flash of great ability, they may be asked to repeat it, further worsening the odds. Randi makes no attempt to explain these details, he only paints the applicants in the worst possible light.

Until as recently as the end of 2007, applicants were required to give up all publicity and media rights as a requirement for applying. So not only were they screwed, they were not allowed to talk about it. This is kind of like the sideshow at the carnival where people are promised that they will see something wonderful, but when shown the empty box are advised not to tell anyone else lest they be the only fool. Until very recently, he did not even show the list of applicants. At every step of the way he appears to be seeking to withhold information about the difficulty of the challenge.

This is one more way in which the scientific validity of the challenge is nil. Proving that people cannot jump over a 20ft wall does not prove anything about jumping except that people cannot jump that high. It makes no statement about any ability under that threshold. If a person can only jump six inches, that is still jumping. The same applies to psychic ability.

It is possible for scientists to achieve 1,000,000 to 1 odds, this has been done many times, but only through a great number of repetitions, which is how this sort of science is normally done. Taking time away from the real science to travel to Florida in order to perform in front of die hard skeptics isn’t really high on their priority list. The expense of such an endeavor would likely use up a large chunk of the prize money so as to make the challenge unappealing. Psychic ability has already been proven, so it’s only about shutting Randi up.

But the expense and obstacles of the challenge do not make it an attractive proposition. A scientist would have to front all of the money for the challenge and stands a chance of running out before they get to their goal. They would likely have to do this in the face of Mr. Randi doing everything in his power to prevent their success, since that would mean the end of whatever fame he possesses from the challenge and his skepticism. This would undoubtedly add to their expense. Of course it’s all moot since he ignores them anyway.

In conclusion, there is no reason to take this challenge seriously. It’s not science. The illusion of the Great Test is only maintained through selectively culling applicants, making the process opaque and rigging the odds. Its only possible purpose can be to harass and humiliate people who do not share Mr. Randi’s beliefs.

I’ll leave you with a comment one of Randi’s own volunteers made on a thread discussing an applicant who had been denied (here #468):

I realize that there is almost no interest in holding Randi and the MDC to the standards that they claim for themselves. I’ve always been in a ridiculed minority when I make these suggestions. It is clear that the Challenge is not about allowing people to demonstrate their claims, but rather about providing examples for our ridicule – partly for education, partly for group-bonding (my guesses). I am in the process of moving on from the idea of trying to persuade anyone to care to that of trying to get the JREF and Randi to be more upfront about this instead, in order to thwart criticism. I fully realize that this will be a futile effort as well. I also continue to tell people to quit smoking. (…)

http://weilerpsiblog.wordpress.com/rand … challenge/

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:30 pm

Randi is a hack, and his challenge isn’t about scientific inquiry into what is and isn’t possible (especially given that he’s an entertainer, not a scientist)

You know there are other challenges like Randi’s all over the world right? They can’t all be biased and “UN-winnable” –http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:42 pm

Nahemah wrote:Ah.

You’ve said this at the start,then proceeded to do just what you claimed you would not.

I questioned the teachings of the JoS that related to science and rationality. I didn’t say that, for instance, “oh satan isnt real! i dont agree with your spiritual views so hahaha youre wrong!”

Is this a debunk of JOS or a debunk of Spiritual Satansism as a whole,because most of it reads as the latter and not the former?

I addressed spiritual satanism as it is taught by the JoS. Everything quoted about spiritual satanism was quoted from the JoS, not diane vera or anyone else.

The fact that JOS is Neo Nazi is quite far down the page and it’s only given a small nod,yet in my mind and the mind of so many others who know of these arse holes or who have experience of them previously,it’s by far and away the most immediate point to consider in regard to debunking them as a Religious group.
This is an important consideration and distinction to make,particularly as a belief in Spiritual Satanism of and in itself is not in any way inherently or otherwise dangerous to any person and JOS is by far not the only group or site or individual which espouses [ in JOS’s case claims/pretends to espouse…] Spiritual ,Religious and/or Philosophical beliefs about or in regard to Satan.

I know. I figured everyone knew they were neo-nazis so kicking a dead horse would be kicking a dead horse. If people agree with the JoS after knowing they are neo-nazis, then the best thing to do is make them re-consider their teachings that are not directly related to neo-nazism.

You may or may not get responses to this post,but if you do and they are antagonistic towards what you’ve written it will most likely be because of your stance on the philosophical/religious views of Spiritual Satanism in general and not because of Neo Nazism within a Spiritual group. You have also broadly painted all Spirituality regarding Satanism into one small corner and labelled it according to JOS viewpoints on it,which is grossly innacurate and incredibly unfair.

My post was about the JoS, therefore I addressed the JoS. I didnt make any mention of any other teachers or styles of spiritual satanism. I dont think that I even used the phrase “spiritual satanism” once in my entire post.

Also,this part of your statement,quoted below, could apply equally to anybody holding any kind of what you’ve termed ‘supernatural’ beliefs and not just to Satanism/JOS.

You’re right. If you were claiming to have been given “supernatural powers that the average person does not have” by aliens…then I’d ask you to prove it too :P

I feel this bears pointing out,as while we value individuality and acknowledge a wide variety of beliefs and disbeliefs on the forum we do not recognise. endorse,validate or otherwise uphold any one belief set above the others as being more true or correct and that includes Atheistic mindsets too.[/quote
Atheism is the lack of a belief in a god. Atheism does not have a stance regarding the supernatural. I dont think asking for proof of a claim someone makes is an “Atheistic mindset.” If i went around saying, “Im jesus christ and aliens give me super-powers so come follow me and join my cult!” I would hope you’d ask for proof of my supernatural claims before getting baptized by me.

Enki as Satan is also not the only form of deification of Satan,or expression of Satan as an individual entity,so this is also a broad stroke of inclusion,which does not apply to all Spiritual or indeed Theistic Satanism any more than JOS speaks for all Spiritual and/or Theistic Satanists.

The JoS believe that Enki is Ea who is Satan. I didn’t debate that or say it was wrong. The statement did not relate to science or rationality – it is a matter of philosophical belief, and I left it alone like I said I would.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Rin » Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:49 am

AIN666 wrote:

Randi is a hack, and his challenge isn’t about scientific inquiry into what is and isn’t possible (especially given that he’s an entertainer, not a scientist)

You know there are other challenges like Randi’s all over the world right? They can’t all be biased and “UN-winnable” –http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal

And on the flip side there’s extensive, albeit frequently ignored, scientific evidence for paranormal abilities.

http://noetic.org/research/psi-research/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew
http://www.amazon.com/The-Conscious-Uni … 0061778990

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:36 am

And on the flip side there’s extensive, albeit frequently ignored, scientific evidence for paranormal abilities.

http://noetic.org/research/psi-research/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew
http://www.amazon.com/The-Conscious-Uni … 0061778990

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Well said. I agree fully and subscribe to the idea of the paranormal. The difference between you, I, and the JoS is that we aren’t claiming to have supernatural powers given to us by aliens as proof of the correctness of our teachings. If someone were to say, “I can move objects with my mind, therefore, you should believe everything I say” I would hope you’d want proof before you blindly believe everything they say and just take their word on it xD

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Rin » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:28 am

AIN666 wrote:

And on the flip side there’s extensive, albeit frequently ignored, scientific evidence for paranormal abilities.

http://noetic.org/research/psi-research/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew
http://www.amazon.com/The-Conscious-Uni … 0061778990

Well said. I agree fully and subscribe to the idea of the paranormal. The difference between you, I, and the JoS is that we aren’t claiming to have supernatural powers given to us by aliens as proof of the correctness of our teachings. If someone were to say, “I can move objects with my mind, therefore, you should believe everything I say” I would hope you’d want proof before you blindly believe everything they say and just take their word on it xD

Yeah I agree with you there, even if they do have these abilities (and I’m rather skeptical on that count), to paraphrase a Yogi who’s name I can’t remember, someone using paranormal abilities isn’t proof of anything except that they possess paranormal abilities. It doesn’t inherently make their philosophy or worldview any more valid.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:33 pm

Before I say anything else,I ‘m sorry for the forthcoming dickishness,but here it is anyway:

AIN,you missed the point I was making about JOS masquerading as a Spiritual organisation,the masquerading part is very important and it relates to why I posted Ms,Vera’s account of JOS bad practice regarding evocation,summoning and pacting.

The spiritual stuff is a ruse to suck folk in,just like the other religiosities employed by various Neo Nazi groups in engaging with and encouraging dissafected folk into their groups and into their mindsets.

If you’d addressed that more instead of attempting to debunk them using bad science and poor etymology for that matter also, to disenfranchise their bad attempt at spirituality, you’d be on much surer ground.

The only other species of humans hinted at in the Bible are the infamous Nephilim (Gen. 6:4, Num 13:32-33), a race of giants “as tall as cedar trees” (Amos 2:9) who were the offspring of the ever-mysterious “sons of God.” The Bible says that, to the Nephilim, the early Jews looked as small as grasshoppers (and were just as tasty).

Some people try to link the Nephilim to the Neanderthals, but the Neanderthals were no giants, averaging just over 5′ tall. So unless the early Jews were elves, this doesn’t compute.

http://500questions.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/23-why-doesnt-the-bible-mention-neanderthals/

The above page is tongue in cheek,but it does cover several of the flaws in the Nephilim/Neanderthal hypothesis you posted about.I can bring the hard genetic science,but I’ll do it later,if I must as I now have to watch the episode you posted about,even though I will not recover the time I feel I’m about to waste doing so.

On the etymology: Super does not mean beyond,from it’s original Latin it means over or above and the term was originally posited as a means of describing Godly or Divine interaction with the mortal world.

supernatural (adj.) Look up supernatural at Dictionary.com
early 15c. “above nature, transcending nature, belonging to a higher realm,” from Medieval Latin supernaturalis “above or beyond nature,” from Latin super “above” (see super-) + natura “nature” (see nature). Originally with more of a religious sense, “of or given by God, divine; heavenly;” association with ghosts, etc., has predominated since c.1799.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=supernatural&searchmode=none

And natural was originally coined to describe inborn or inherent human traits:

natural (adj.) Look up natural at Dictionary.com
c.1300, naturel, “of one’s inborn character; hereditary, by birth;” early 14c. as “of the world of nature (especially as opposed to man),” from Old French naturel “of nature, conforming to nature; by birth,” and directly from Latin naturalis “by birth, according to nature,” from natura “nature” (see nature).From late 15c. as “not miraculous, in conformity with nature.” Meaning “easy, free from affectation” is attested from c.1600. Of things, “not artificially created,” c.1600. As a euphemism for “illegitimate, bastard” (of children), it is first recorded c.1400, on notion of blood kinship (but not legal status).Natural science is from late 14c.; natural law is from early 15c. Natural order “apparent order in nature” is from 1690s. Natural childbirth first attested 1933. Natural life, usually in reference to the duration of life, is from late 15c. Natural history is from 1560s (see history). To die of natural causes is from 1570s.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=natural

Another flaw in the natural argument is that we live surrounded by technology and inventions which can easily be defined as unnatural or ‘super’ natural,if using your own narrow definiton.

I didn’t really want to post more here,but using flawed rationality to disprove flawed rationality dosen’t work and if anything it makes it easier for those who support such heinous views as those held by JOS to counter argue in their own favour and I’d rather not give them that edge.

End of dickishness,for now.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:58 pm

I enjoy your insights :) ❤ And respect your opinions.

Some people try to link the Nephilim to the Neanderthals, but the Neanderthals were no giants, averaging just over 5′ tall. So unless the early Jews were elves, this doesn’t compute.

My reference includes a world-famous archeologist. Your’s…a guy on the internet with a free wordpress site. ❤

1000s of years ago, people were not as tall as they are now. Goliath is called a “giant”…his name is synonymous with very tall people. And in his time, he likely was a “giant.” But he was only about 6’2”. In our time, that isnt exactly gigantic, right? http://www.examiner.com/article/david-a … as-goliath The video I gave shows that the Neanderthals were the “nephilim” of genesis.

On the etymology: Super does not mean beyond,from it’s original Latin it means over or above and the term was originally posited as a means of describing Godly or Divine interaction with the mortal world.

O.o Super – above/beyond. Yes. However, “natural” in the context of “supernatural” is not “natural” in the context of a human beings “born with abilities.” Natural means the processes and laws of nature, in the term “supernatural.” So yeah…not sure what your argument is for my questioning of their claim to “supernatural” abilities. Here is the word actually defined. Especially note #3…which backs up my claim of “if something supernatural occurred, we are natural beings wouldnt even be aware of it.”
Adjective

supernatural (comparative more supernatural, superlative most supernatural)

1. Above nature; that which is beyond or added to nature, often so considered because it is given by a deity or some force beyond that which humans are born with. In Roman Catholic theology, sanctifying grace is considered to be a supernatural addition to human nature.
2. Not of the usual; not natural; altered by forces that are not understood fully if at all.
3. Neither visible nor measurable.

End of dickishness,for now.

Im not here to argue with spiritual satanists who took my post about the JoS personally. I didnt post this to make you feel as though you had to defend your beliefs. I didnt mention any type of Satanism outside of the JoS. If you arent a JoS member im not sure why you would take it to heart. I can clearly argue my points over and over if we must, but it seems as annoying a spam. Care to agree to disagree? [rolleyes]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Asurendra » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:46 am

I am not entering into this doctrinal disputation, I only want to make a point about the identification of the Biblical Nephilim with Neanderthals. If you accept the Biblical narrative the problem with this claim is that it makes man older than the Neanderthal. Modern humans began roughly 200,000 years ago while the first Neanderthals were 600,000. These dates are the current consensus.

About the size of these Nephilim: I went and took my Greek Septuagint and my Latin Vulgate from the shelf and blew the dust off then looked at Genesis 6:4. The same work ‘gigantes’ is used and this means the same as our word in English. The Bible itself makes it clear that these giants were not suppose to be just a foot taller than man. The proof of that is Og of Bashan (whom the Jewish Midrash says was the last of the Nephilim). The text gives the measurements of his bed in Deut. 3:11 as roughly 13 foot. Further, when the spies first entered Canaan they claimed the giants were still and they felt “like grasshoppers” in comparison (Num. 13:1-14). I would point out that the spies were lying and were punished for it, but, the point is that they were using the accepted belief of the Hebrews regarding what a giant is, being much more than just a foot taller.

Nahemah’s points on this matter are fully supported by the Biblical text. The size of Goliath is not relevant because he was not one of the Nephilim in either the text itself or, so far as I am aware, in Jewish tradition (for what that’s worth).

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:47 pm

In Layman’s terms,a very reader friendly guide [grin] :

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals

In not so Layman friendly terms:

http://www.genetics.org/content/156/2/799.full

http://www.pnas.org/content/96/13/7117.long

Please read these and ask questions later,if you wish to. [thumbup]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Asurendra » Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:35 am

While I don’t believe it, a far better Biblical-based argument for the place of the Neanderthal in the scriptures would be drawn from the exile of Cain in Genesis chapter four.

Since AIN666 likes Latin, I’ll quote the Vulgate:

In 4:14 after he is told to get out, Cain tells Yahweh “omnis igitur qui invenerit me occidet me” (all those who find me will kill me) leading to the famous question: ‘I thought only 4, now 3 people existed! Who are these people?’ There must have been a lot of these mystery people because, 4:16 “habitavit in terra profugus ad orientalem” (he lived in a land to the east -after leaving) and then 4:17 “aedificavit civitatem” (he built a city). In the Hebrew text the word for city is ‘Iyr,’ which is a settlement much larger than a ‘kfar,’ or town and which has walls. So it clearly implies there were many of these non-adamic people.

The Jewish Midrash says Cain & Able had sisters and these people come from them but that is rather unsatisfying in both time and number.

In reality, it is just a contradiction between different narratives and a flaw, but the dogmatically oriented can have fun with it and argue he interbred with the Neanderthals, who were already there and older (conforming to current belief) while the first homo sapiens were a special creation.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby thestudyingalchemist » Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:50 pm

Well there’s something I never understood…
How can a satanist be a neo-nazi?!?
I mean nazism is completely fascist, homophobe, sexist, racist and do not respect any indivual choice of anyone and just take control over people….
But satanism is exactly at the opposite of this so please can someone explain how it is possible??? I never believed that it was possible and I know that JoS are using some concepts and symbols using by the nazi (well not a lot anyway) but does it mean that they are neo-nazi because I mean the ideology is incompatible….

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:08 pm

Political and Religous Ideologies cross over all the time and the two are not mutually exclusive of each other by any means.

It is quite possible to be Satanist and Neo-Nazi,just as it is to be Christian and Neo-Nazi or Asatru and Neo-Nazi,for that matter also.

It is also possible to hold other religious beliefs that are compatible with Nazi ideology too.

Racism,bigotry,homophobia,misogyny and social elitism are,unfortunately,present in all walks of life and humanity.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby thestudyingalchemist » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:42 pm

Nahemah wrote:Political and Religous Ideologies cross over all the time and the two are not mutually exclusive of each other by any means.

It is quite possible to be Satanist and Neo-Nazi,just as it is to be Christian and Neo-Nazi or Asatru and Neo-Nazi,for that matter also.

It is also possible to hold other religious beliefs that are compatible with Nazi ideology too.

Racism,bigotry,homophobia,misogyny and social elitism are,unfortunately,present in all walks of life and humanity.

Yeah I understand that but it is just so different that if a satanist claim himself being a neo-nazi he’s not a satanist anymore, I mean there can be common points you can had but not to combine nazism with satanism it’s just not satanism anymore…

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Asurendra » Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:18 am

Ain666 seems to have left the Forum, otherwise I am sure he would be happy to engage you in long and intricate doctrinal analysis akin to the Pharisaical disputations between the Calvinist and Arminian sects over such matters as Predestination.
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:14 pm

Nahemah, I totally applaud what your stance on the JOKE of Satan website, and I personally will rather go to the proper sources instead of visiting that Neo Nazi site run by someone who is Half Native American!!! [zomg] [zomg] [zomg]
The final straw was there views on Hell and the Afterlife where that idiotwoman claims to of met a VIP spirit who was well protected by Father Satan (LOL), and there is no prizes in guessing who he is! He was none other than Heinreich HImmler who is one of her idols LOL. Full of lies and garbage is what that bitch is about but what really needs to be done is having her face exposed to all and sundry.
I feel the Laveyan approach is needed with this Neo Nazi cult, we need to avoid mentioning them because if we do we just give them astral power. And another thing, THE ANGELS are more powerful than any ‘father’ satan who must be just a demon cos the Real Satan will not waste time with her.
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:59 pm

Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Maxine got attacked by her lovely NeoNazis cos this is the only way she will learn the REAL TRUTH. By the way I do not endorse violence of any kind but she is someone who deserves it and I know some people know exactly who she is and they will expose her ugly face to everyone, so that we can see the most strangest Neo Nazi there is. Another thing, those medidations do more harm than good and please go the the proper sources instead and read up on the Diana Vera webpage. Oh I wish more info was on there, and I support her more than the old Nazi Hag. Maybe she must of been in Germany in her previous life and she is hankering for that life, but just for the record the real Satan will not waste time with her, he would rather spend time with Lady Gaga or President Obama instead [zomg]
A good link to readhttp://web.archive.org/web/201001132018 … edietrich/
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby thestudyingalchemist » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:38 am

Honestly it really freaks me out that a neo-nazi group claim themselves satanist… No but seriously isn’t there enough stereotypes about satanism?! I still don’t understand how can a neonazi group claim themselves satanist it seems just so contradictive I mean. But anyway I’m very surprise that they are caus just by looking at their main pages it doesn’t seem that they are nazis (but surelly antisémitic)… But I guess that thats how they slowly manipulate people. Before this post the only thing that really made me doubt about them was first that they are very neutral when talking about nazism, example in one of their text about “the origin of satanism”, I mean they usualy accused the religions about stolling elements but about nazis they just said in this case “the most known example is the nazi germanic sigil” or something like that. Of course they were other examples like their symbologies explaination with the nazi “skull and bones” and the “black sun” wich is also an element from the nazi occultism. It really disapoint me anyway…

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:58 pm

I am going to confess to something here, I actually go to the JoS website for ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES only, and that woman is making me laugh a lot. Another thing I will say is that I feel kind of sorry for her in some ways but honestly she needs to have her photo etc shown to all and sundry on the Internet LOL.
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:45 pm

Here is one link to show all and sundry what the JoS stands for, and there are some people in FB who knows exactly what she looks like etc and will show all and sundry her photograph and detail on the net. A neo nazi who is of mixed race like Maxine make me laugh a lot! but reading more about what the JoS is making me avoid that site for good. I do not give a shit if she is ‘knowledgable’ etc, all she is to me is Nazi scum and what is disturbing is that she is mind controlling teens and youngsters into her way of thinking. [mad]

This is what the JoS endorses

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/holo.html

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:41 am

Something else for you all to look into, and this is what the Joke of Satan claims never existed because they are just bastards acting all tough behind a computer monitor. I will go to other websites for my entertainment and in some ways the JoS website is on par with those filthy Conspricarcy sites which tend to attract many Neo Nazis, etc.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso … ictoc.html

Look at this website and then ask yourself where the Holocaust happened or not, but I have heard that this ‘woman’ has a lot of youngsters being made into High Priests etc because they are easy to mind control. I would rather go to Diana Vera or Caroline Bright’s website instead, because the energies are better and as for Maxine, her days of acting the big ‘I am’ is finished. BITCH!!! I would pay good money for her to say all these things on a TV show in front of an audience which incld jews, blacks, and other PROPER Occultists but she will not cos she is just a hasbeen with an internet connection. Oh and another thing, Himmler would put her first in the queue for the gas chambers cos she is not totally white. A disgrace to the Native Americans is she. [mad]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:14 am

Asurendra wrote:Ain666 seems to have left the Forum, otherwise I am sure he would be happy to engage you in long and intricate doctrinal analysis akin to the Pharisaical disputations between the Calvinist and Arminian sects over such matters as Predestination.

*Armenian

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Asurendra » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:20 am

Armenian?

Wrong, please note:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arminianism

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:36 am

Asurendra wrote:Armenian?

Wrong, please note:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arminianism

“Arminianism is based on the theological ideas of the previously Dutch Reformed theologian Jacobus Arminius (1560–1609) and his historic supporters known as the Remonstrants. His teachings, however, departed from the Sovereign Grace teaching of the Reformers and as such he cannot be regarded as Reformed. Jacobus Arminius (Jacobus Hermanszoon) was a student of Beza (successor of Calvin) at the Theological University of Geneva. It is known as a soteriological sect of Protestant Christianity.[1] Dutch Arminianism was originally articulated in the Remonstrance (1610), a theological statement signed by 45 ministers and submitted to the States-General of the Netherlands. The Synod of Dort (1618–19) was called by the States General to consider the Five Articles of Remonstrance. They asserted that:

election (and condemnation on the day of judgment) was conditioned by the rational faith or nonfaith of man;
the Atonement, while qualitatively adequate for all men, is efficacious only for the man of faith;
unaided by the Holy Spirit, no person is able to respond to God’s will;
grace is resistible; and
believers are able to resist sin but are not beyond the possibility of falling from grace.”

Stop following the thread when jimmies started getting rustled, so I’m not sure what that has to do with the “hurr durr I love Hitler and Satan” of JoS, unless the thread has turned into something else [thumbup]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:10 pm

Ain, I understand where you are coming from and believe it or not, I too was once an avid reader of the site before I found out that the Old Hag was married to the Ex Leader of the NSM Clifford Herrington. Just a few days ago I found out that visiting that site (some blogs do this!) will put extra coins in the pockets of those bastards and those donations pay for their bills, groceries, and also the NeoNazi cause. I do not fund fascists, and I do not give a damn who knowledgable they claim they are in matters of Medidation, Demon Evocation, and so on.
Maxine Dietrich may have the aura that she is well written but remember all those articles on her website are copy/paste jobs from Llewllyn books, bemyastrologer.com, Franz Bardon, etc and please under no circumstances do those medidations because they are more harmful than good.
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Debunking the Joy of Satan: An Alternative Perspective

Postby mmlozza » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:32 am

I know this thread dried out a while ago but I have some views I’d like to add….

I’ve been trying to find my own path for a while now, and a lot of the stuff regarding Spiritual Satanism on this site makes sense to me. I’ve looked into stuff by Anton La Vey and Don Webb, and most things Left Hand Path-related. Everyone has their own individual take on the type of deities they are worshipping. I dedicated my soul to Satan the other day, but I didn’t use candles and I didn’t sign my name in blood, precisely for the reason given on the site that said blood sacrifices aren’t needed. A lot of the information is contradictory given the evidence that others have presented, but how many of us have the answers to everything? If everyone’s truth is subjective, they can only present it as they have found it: when they reach a certain point of initiation they then, as most organisations seem to advocate, try to pass their teachings onto others to “spread the word” and “enlighten people”. In my opinion, what matters is what you take from the collection of knowledge that’s out there and how it makes you feel. People can postulate about death, reincarnation and rebirth and all that stuff til they’re blue in the face, but it’s an individual experience and we’ll never truly know until we die. I now believe Satan is the creator god because most of what I’ve read marries up and answers questions in my mind about the Christian god, and what the alternative is. I’m happy with this and feel no need to question it further. Truth is what you make of it, and everyone’s is different. If you get to the end of your life and it turns out you were wrong, well, you’ll surely deal with it then.
I have found a path that fits with my view of the world, and I now intend to follow it (Spiritual Satanism, not JoS. I am not a JoS member.) I’m still struggling to put myself into a trance as the only time for true peace and quiet is after midnight, but I’ll get there. I have to! I respect the views of everyone on this site and welcome opposition to what I’ve said. We’re all trying to find our way, people will disagree and agree with what is said, some more strongly than others, but it doesn’t mean we’re any less or more wrong or right.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby oldspirit » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:16 pm

“Hitler was a christian and if you were a satanist you would be gassed like the jews” you had me all the way up to this point.

Have you ever heard of Martin Bormann, The Third Reich Leader in 1933 and the man who took Rudolph Hess spot as the Head of the Party Chancellery.
Or what about the Anti-Church Campaign that Borrman, Himmler, and Rosenberg (all high ranking SS officers) pushed, this would NOT have happend without Hitlers approval.
I dont care what he said in his speeches about being a christian, he was not one and neither was any top authority in the Nazi Party

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby oldspirit » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:18 pm

Parvati wrote:Ain, I understand where you are coming from and believe it or not, I too was once an avid reader of the site before I found out that the Old Hag was married to the Ex Leader of the NSM Clifford Herrington. Just a few days ago I found out that visiting that site (some blogs do this!) will put extra coins in the pockets of those bastards and those donations pay for their bills, groceries, and also the NeoNazi cause. I do not fund fascists, and I do not give a damn who knowledgable they claim they are in matters of Medidation, Demon Evocation, and so on.
Maxine Dietrich may have the aura that she is well written but remember all those articles on her website are copy/paste jobs from Llewllyn books, bemyastrologer.com, Franz Bardon, etc and please under no circumstances do those medidations because they are more harmful than good.

No Way! im with you on that. Any group that wants to restrict freedoms or civil liberties i want no part of. Her website seemed very sincere and informative, then i watched some of her you tube videos and felt nothing but hate, anger, rage, and negative energy. That cant be healthy or good for a spiritual awakening.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby JonChang » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:23 pm

oldspirit wrote:

Parvati wrote:Ain, I understand where you are coming from and believe it or not, I too was once an avid reader of the site before I found out that the Old Hag was married to the Ex Leader of the NSM Clifford Herrington. Just a few days ago I found out that visiting that site (some blogs do this!) will put extra coins in the pockets of those bastards and those donations pay for their bills, groceries, and also the NeoNazi cause. I do not fund fascists, and I do not give a damn who knowledgable they claim they are in matters of Medidation, Demon Evocation, and so on.
Maxine Dietrich may have the aura that she is well written but remember all those articles on her website are copy/paste jobs from Llewllyn books, bemyastrologer.com, Franz Bardon, etc and please under no circumstances do those medidations because they are more harmful than good.

No Way! im with you on that. Any group that wants to restrict freedoms or civil liberties i want no part of. Her website seemed very sincere and informative, then i watched some of her you tube videos and felt nothing but hate, anger, rage, and negative energy. That cant be healthy or good for a spiritual awakening.

If someone were to curse you, wouldn’t you be angry at them lol? Or you believe in all that new age “love, we’re all one” BS?

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:32 pm

I thought I was banned, but I suppose my suspension was cancelled.

When I was younger I felt like I had to oppose both Christianity and modern Satanism. Modern “Satanists” were non-religious and, most of the times, uneducated leftists using several names (like “Azazel”) without even taking the time to read the books these names were derived from. They keep praising Azazel, whilst the book of Enoch, from whence the name of this demon was drawn, states that Satan will be punishing the sinners who left their celestial place as… common sinners. They are not treated by the LORD, the One called Satan and the Devil, as His angels are. He will be torturing them for ages and ages, amen.

Anyway, because of this blind ignorance of the neo-satanists, I was acting as if I was a Nazist just to provoke them back then. They have taboos, you see, even though they claim Satanism is about not having any taboos whatsoever, they have taboos against the scapegoats of this age (Nazism wouldn’t be so bad to consider if the Soviet Union and America hadn’t won, would it?), and one of them is the taboo against Nazism. If you are an individualist, why would you care if someone hates some kinds of people? (Although Nazism is not really about hatred)

So, I ended up feeling I was agreeing with J.o.S. (although I didn’t really know J.o.S. itself yet). In the end, I had a destructive argument with the “Satanists” of J.o.S. I was communicating with, even though they seemed to agree with me at the beginning. Why? Because of their stupidity and the disturbing fact that they mix up occultism and Satanism with politics. So, I came to the conclusion that I wasn’t a Nazist after all, I just wanted to oppose everyone who was mixing politics with Satanism, including the ones mixing feminism, homosexuality and anti-racism with it. So, in the end, I had trouble (well, the trouble was theirs to handle, since I prevailed) with the nationalist “Satanists” as well.

Ok. Of course the stuff about “aliens” etcetera is purely stupid, but back then they didn’t make so stupid statements, so I never opposed them because of that.

And, just to get this straight, I have no problem with Nazism. In fact, I do believe in the difference of psychology according to one’s race, and I don’t have any problem with someone hating a race or a part of people just because of their ideology, I’m just stating that Satanism has nothing to do with politics, and both the atheistic and the theistic and the so called “traditional Satanists” do mess up with politics. So, for me, they are just opportunists and not Satanists. This whole thing is more intense in my mind now that I have a personal conflict with Azazel (he seems to be waiting for me to be weak enough in order to drain energy from me, no matter how many times I exorcise him in the Name of Satan).

For a Satanist is the one who praises the LORD, the Wicked One of the Bible. Period.

During my last conflict with Azazel he won because of the pills I had consumed which caused me not to be able to speak fluently and use my energy to banish him, but “I shall see him at Philippi”…

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby EternalReturn » Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:08 pm

I would like to know if you’re from Europe?

It’s because I am and I’ve heard from older people about horrors of Nazi rule, and it is definitely something to have a problem with. Have you seen the film Schindler’s List? One of the co-creators was a Croatian man Branko Lustig who has felt, seen and was in the midst of the events, and a lot of things that you can see in the movie are real situations which came from Lustig’s experience. If you haven’t I recommend it.

edit: I will not continue this discussion because I know that this is a path to a fuckin’ abbys

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:49 pm

thought I was banned, but I suppose my suspension was cancelled.

Nope,there was no ban or suspension on your account that I’m aware of.

I can’t see any mod notes regarding this either.

Why did you think you were banned?

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:09 pm

Nahemah wrote:

thought I was banned, but I suppose my suspension was cancelled.

Nope,there was no ban or suspension on your account that I’m aware of.

I can’t see any mod notes regarding this either.

Why did you think you were banned?

Every time I was trying to log in I read I cannot do it for I am suspended because of spam and giving false information about myself. Something like that.

EternalReturn wrote:I would like to know if you’re from Europe?

It’s because I am and I’ve heard from older people about horrors of Nazi rule, and it is definitely something to have a problem with. Have you seen the film Schindler’s List? One of the co-creators was a Croatian man Branko Lustig who has felt, seen and was in the midst of the events, and a lot of things that you can see in the movie are real situations which came from Lustig’s experience. If you haven’t I recommend it.

edit: I will not continue this discussion because I know that this is a path to a fuckin’ abbys

Yes, I am from Europe and I’ve watched Schindler’s List. It focuses on the Jews. So, why should I care? Jerusalaim Chel Zahav was a good song by the way. And, yes, I’ve heard of those horrors too, but I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers. Although it seems I’m getting somewhere right now that I stopped searching for books that modern and opportunistic “Satanists” purposely want to silence for their pacific and individualistic goals.

What are you expecting from a Diabolist? To protest against crime and inhumanity? I’m not a humanist. (And, by the way, an ideology isn’t judged through its crimes, but through its original beliefs)

I suggest you watch “Thanatomorphose” and “The Fly”. They are much more inspiring than Schindler’s List when it comes to (fictional) horror.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Ramscha » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:21 pm

Klavier wrote:
And, by the way, an ideology isn’t judged through its crimes, but through its original beliefs

And by what people make out of them by following those ways…

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:39 pm

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I am suspended because of spam and giving false information about myself. Something like that.

Not so,above is the warning log entry,all active warnings/supensions show in the log for one month after issue,so your name would be there with the reason for infraction if you had recently been supended/banned.

You are ether confused or lying or it’s another account you’re talking about, which I probably have banned.

Do carry on.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby EternalReturn » Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:55 pm

Klavier wrote:

EternalReturn wrote:I would like to know if you’re from Europe?

It’s because I am and I’ve heard from older people about horrors of Nazi rule, and it is definitely something to have a problem with. Have you seen the film Schindler’s List? One of the co-creators was a Croatian man Branko Lustig who has felt, seen and was in the midst of the events, and a lot of things that you can see in the movie are real situations which came from Lustig’s experience. If you haven’t I recommend it.

edit: I will not continue this discussion because I know that this is a path to a fuckin’ abbys

Yes, I am from Europe and I’ve watched Schindler’s List. It focuses on the Jews. So, why should I care? Jerusalaim Chel Zahav was a good song by the way. And, yes, I’ve heard of those horrors too, but I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers. Although it seems I’m getting somewhere right now that I stopped searching for books that modern and opportunistic “Satanists” purposely want to silence for their pacific and individualistic goals.

What are you expecting from a Diabolist? To protest against crime and inhumanity? I’m not a humanist. (And, by the way, an ideology isn’t judged through its crimes, but through its original beliefs)

I suggest you watch “Thanatomorphose” and “The Fly”. They are much more inspiring than Schindler’s List when it comes to (fictional) horror.

I will, thank you for suggestion.

But I have to ask, concerning morality and such what are your thoughts?

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:31 am

Nahemah wrote:

Warned users

This is a list of users with unexpired warnings issued to them.

No warnings exist.

I am suspended because of spam and giving false information about myself. Something like that.

Not so,above is the warning log entry,all active warnings/supensions show in the log for one month after issue,so your name would be there with the reason for infraction if you had recently been supended/banned.

You are ether confused or lying or it’s another account you’re talking about, which I probably have banned.

Do carry on.

I said I wasn’t allowed to login. Every time I was trying there was this white message under my username and password.

EternalReturn wrote:

Klavier wrote:

EternalReturn wrote:I would like to know if you’re from Europe?

It’s because I am and I’ve heard from older people about horrors of Nazi rule, and it is definitely something to have a problem with. Have you seen the film Schindler’s List? One of the co-creators was a Croatian man Branko Lustig who has felt, seen and was in the midst of the events, and a lot of things that you can see in the movie are real situations which came from Lustig’s experience. If you haven’t I recommend it.

edit: I will not continue this discussion because I know that this is a path to a fuckin’ abbys

Yes, I am from Europe and I’ve watched Schindler’s List. It focuses on the Jews. So, why should I care? Jerusalaim Chel Zahav was a good song by the way. And, yes, I’ve heard of those horrors too, but I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers. Although it seems I’m getting somewhere right now that I stopped searching for books that modern and opportunistic “Satanists” purposely want to silence for their pacific and individualistic goals.

What are you expecting from a Diabolist? To protest against crime and inhumanity? I’m not a humanist. (And, by the way, an ideology isn’t judged through its crimes, but through its original beliefs)

I suggest you watch “Thanatomorphose” and “The Fly”. They are much more inspiring than Schindler’s List when it comes to (fictional) horror.

I will, thank you for suggestion.

But I have to ask, concerning morality and such what are your thoughts?

Similar with the ones I have about Christianity: “Diabolus est Deus inversus”

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:56 pm

This whole alien theory and daring to call the LORD a Nephelim is outrageous. I hope Maxine shall die really painfully for her blasphemy and pay a visit to the “Nephelim” down there for her flesh to be sharpened on fiery wheels whilst she’s still alive. Apropos, the one speaking on their videos cannot be Maxine. From what I understand, Maxine has to be an old ugly whore who claims to be a Nazi whilst she is not even white, so it’s pretty unlikely that she has such a young voice and this kind of accent.
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby manofsands » Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:32 am

Klavier wrote:I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers.

Would it be presumptuous to assume you’ve had a lot of pain and unhappiness in your life?

There should be obviously expected responses to such posts. Which would indicate a desire for such responses.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:19 pm

manofsands wrote:

Klavier wrote:I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers.

Would it be presumptuous to assume you’ve had a lot of pain and unhappiness in your life?

There should be obviously expected responses to such posts. Which would indicate a desire for such responses.

Hi

I didn’t know this is a psychology forum. But, no, I was never really unhappy and I was claiming to be Satanist since I was seven because of my sympathy for the LORD. I had no idea that today’s Satanism is crawling on pseudo-moralistic and politically correct businesses made for money, sex or political propaganda.