About Hungary, Nazis, The Holocaust and Veronika Hompo (and Veronika Hompo’s aliases on Joy of Satan and Facebook)

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This blog exposes to sheer stupidity and the lies of Joy of Satan along with bringing to light the hate, stalking and abuse by their Hungarian cult member(s). Joy of Satan has long been known in America for its Neo-Nazi affiliations. Andrea Herrington’s husband was the founder of NSM, and when Neo-Nazi’s found out that Maxine was Clifford’s wife and not “Aryan,” but a mix breed in their eyes, it almost completely destroyed the NSM due to the controversy and infighting. This began in 2006, long before the ignorant Hungarians (read as one angry Hungarian) logged into the internet and looked for something to grasp on to like teens do to battle their parents. Long ago, JoS was exposed for their problems, their use of others’ works without permission, their lies and their true agenda. They are Nazis. They are racists, bigots, homophobic weak followers of a bastardized version of Satanism that mainly focuses on hate and “protection” from others, in other words, those who are not part of JoS and not faux Satanists; they admit they are not strong and they insult Lucifer by consistently reminding each other to protect themselves from other people and gods. They all have an obsessively fearful, paranoid and horrific fear of people who are of the Jewish faith, the religion. These mentally ill paranoid Nazis, posing as “Satanists,” are convinced Jews are a race and since all of the clergy are suffering from severe systematized delusions, baseless suspicions and worries about others, mostly complete strangers on the internet, they spend their days and nights fixated upon users they then premeditate to attack in forms of abuse, stalking, harassment and bullying.

"Hitler was a cowardly faggot. Most people on JoS think Hitler was a fag and know he was an animal abuser" -- current JoS member of 2 years whom sent in info about HP's and the fake usernames of the supposed large amount of Hungarians who all joined at the same time period

“Hitler was a cowardly faggot. Most people on JoS think Hitler was a fag and know he was an animal abuser” — current JoS member of 2 years who sent in info about HP’s and the fake usernames of the supposed large amount of Hungarians who all joined at the same time period

Many of them are blatantly homophobic, as can be seen in scythianwarrior’s blogs and within former JoS members’ private emails revealed. All of the truth was openly published by Maxine herself and other members of JoS long ago. The members and former members who came forward told everything and provided their proof. What goes on now is nonsense for angry teenagers or simpletons who are unable to realize fictional tales from actual facts. Facts are painful. Deep within JoS’s site there is some valuable information, but is it actually from JoS? No, it’s stolen. Most of Andrea Herrington’s postings (Herrington is High Priestess (LOL) Maxine) are plagiarized and that has been proven by numerous sources for almost a decade.

Again, the site is bigoted and racist, and though they claim they accept gays, many members are out there bashing gays on their own blogs or on their Facebook profiles. Veronika Hompo and her 30 to 60 alias Facebook profiles have had at the least, usually more, a gay-bashing post over the years and in 2014 and 2015 there have been quite a few. Calling users “faggot” slips off her fingers as if it is acceptable. There’s a plethora of hypocrisy amongst the JoS clergy and all you need to do is look for ex-members. The blacks, the GLBT, the not all white who were all in some way pushed out by the fascist beliefs promoted by Joy of Satan ministries.

Veronika Hompo is a stranger to me. She was never on my friend list. But I know all about her and always have, since 2010. I, with my then boyfriend (now fiancé, a valid marriage under the law has not yet been obtained, but is that really the business of everyone?), said to stay away from her. I read every word she posted and every letter she sent. I saw every public posting the aggressive and mean sub-human posted. I said she was damaged and to stay away, to not try to be nice or good to her because it would never make a change in this one’s hollow soul. She was vulgar and too ecstatic enjoying the stalking abuse she did to strangers for another stranger (it was who she calls MM back then, it’s always someone else she gives up her entire life for), along with an even more aggressive and sociopath sub-human, Nadia Anett Kiss. (Is this really another living being or just another personality? Many people over the years have decided that “Nadia” is nothing more than Veronika’s strongest and most reckless and disobedient personality taken on when under stress or severe pressure.) I had spoken to a few other people in Europe, even back in Hungary, from these sub-humans’ friend lists, all in agreement that there were so many anger issues and deep rooted hate that nothing could change for them/her. Vegan? Possible. (*See bottom of this paragraph for updated info) Though as it is now, it’s come to light that Veronika’s Korean personality has denounced veganism as simply stupid. (Her main personality has now admitted she has also shunned veganism and come clean; she was eating eggs and other animals for years while attacking others online for being vegetarian and not militant vegan. She was using animal products, the eggs, dairy, eating fish — at the very moments she was tearing into strangers for the same “sins” and when Hompo would finish her plate of eggs and fish, she would carry on harassing the stranger who dedicated his or her life to rescuing animals from death, stalking them, posting public threats, all the the while this psychotic woman nearing 30 years old was eating animals and when she could, killing chickens for her old, dying relatives. Does it matter though? No, it doesn’t. They do not follow a vegan lifestyle. Hate is not part of veganism. These are beings that enjoy negative energy and preying upon others. So come into play JoS; it makes sense. They found a “home” for their roots in hatred. One only need use Google to find hate from both that traces back years, actual aggressive hate and stalking of strangers around the globe. Warning friends of mine to not try to make peace with these people was all I could do, all we could do as people who know Hungary and have travelled beyond its borders and lived in many places. Leaving was the best event in our lives. Living with people of tolerance and acceptance and in a country with no “Veronika’s” at every other turn of a corner, a breath of fresh air every day we awaken.

*Veronika Hompo has denounced veganism for her version, rather, JoS’s version of Satanism. The former militant psycho of vegans, the super-bitch VEGAN POLICE SUPREME COMMANDER, now eats “humanely murdered” animals. Oh, good for her! Such a good woman, only humanely slaughtered animals, and organic to boot! So caring of her kind soul *GAG and PUKE!* This Borderline personality psychotic used to email her friends asking them to help her tear apart people who ate meat or dairy, and now the hypocrite is using some utter bullshit excuses to suck the HP’s virtual dick so she won’t accidentally out herself for the back-stabbing WORM she actually is; towards him and towards all of the HP’s and clergy within JoS. Veronika Hompo doesn’t think any of them are worth shit. Yes, you know who she thinks is the most inferior within Joy of Satan. HP Don Danko; HP Mageson666. She said she’d love to spit on him. (any of them who are NOT aryan are not worthy to her at all; she has said she suspects many of them have Jewish DNA and it makes her very uncomfortable) Only she is worthy is her mind, after all, she’s told them time and time again—she’s the only true aryan and her bloodline is so pure is goes back to when the earth formed it’s fucking crust, before dinosaurs even roamed the land, before anything existed!—there was the Hompo bloodline, the pure alien DNA sent by Enki in a donut-shaped spaceship right to Earth to plant her familys’ genes so she could be the purest HungARYAN on the whole fucking globe. Yes. It’s all true, and you can ask Satan, he will even confirm this information.

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Veronika Hompo hilariously sucking HP Mageson666’s virtual dick in order to keep herself out of suspicion and in their good graces. LMAO! Good try, but she’s not fooling those who have known her slimy worm ass for over 4 years! Fucking DNA disaster, the deluded psycho is probably missing a chromosome and a few thousand brain cells.

Funny (in the NOT ‘ha ha’ way) how this lunatic mentally deranged FUCKTARD that’s always been thought of as “off” and “sketchy” or “psychotic” and “a manic fucking crazybitch” on social media suddenly tried to play the victim card while at the same time claiming it’s all the fault of Jews or Roma Gypsies! The fucked in the head bitch was close friends with Jews, gypsies, Christians, Buddhists, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists (for fucks sake, seriously) and she still is friends with Koreans who passionately love Pope Francis. All the Koreans this nut is faux friends with on Facebook are Christians. Add to the har hars here, she hates rock music and metal. Veronika Hompo is a classical lover, period. She’s mocked rock music for years. Are we all to believe that suddenly, because HP Mageson posted about Led Zeppelin, that she’s loved them since she was a child? For fucking real? The bitch never once posted even so much as a Top 40 track on her profile. Her shit was all classical music, give or take a few Korean songs so she can ass-kiss those Koreans on her list. The girl is crazy in the coconut. Out to lunch. No one’s home upstairs, people! Anything up there in her head is dark and hateful.

Those who can read and know right from wrong can easily understand the difference between hate and lies, and victims. Veronika Hompo and the aliases and Nadia—the defiant and rebellious personality that attacks without any empathy, without a bit of care that actions have consequences—the stalkers of high abuse, they are sub-human hate and unacceptable in any society.

Veronika Hompo is everyone?
She has a mental disease/illness, many have asked her to stop abusing them, but Veronika Hompo can’t help herself; refuses to stop. She threatened lives of children of many people around the world, starting with young children in Australia. She makes her way around the globe finally making her focus on her friend for many many years, making her blogs about her friend. Veronika Hompo is every user from Hungary on the Joy of Satan forums. She suffers from Dissociative identity disorder (DID). DID doesn’t give her a free pass to abuse anyone. A mental disorder doesn’t excuse her from harassing people and being dangerously abusive. DID is as common as Bipolar or Schizophrenia. It’s not a mythical illness and it’s not just a TV and movie mental disorder. It’s real and Veronika has displayed symptoms for years.

Veronika was born a Christian and admitted so on various websites. She has deleted this information, but it has already been spidered by the archives. Look for it, it can be found. It’s in her own words and on more than one site. Leave a comment if you wish for a JPEG to be posted of her Page which she lists her religion as Christian. It is NOT Facebook nor any of the usual social sites, so she slipped up and forgot to cover her lies when she left a few trails of her true past available to those she stalked and abused with her aggressive hostility and schizophrenic hallucinations.

Joy of Satan Ministries must not be too smart to have yet figure out all the Hungarians are Veronika Hompo—schizophrenic, bipolar or DID—an angry aggressive and mentally damaged sub-human that cannot keep herself under control, lashing out at people on the internet, in her real life she attacks people at the market and in the streets, screams and yells at the people at the place she goes to use internet since she tries to conceal her hardware ID by switching devices at the internet cafe or going to the church to use innocent members’ cell phones, even to the Jewish synagogue she will borrow a tablet, an iPad or device to go to Joy of Satan and pretend she is Scythian Warrior or HungARYAN, even the time she pretended to be Kim Yoora*, she was herself, always is, Veronika Hompo playing pretend, as she does when she is her most favorite imaginary character, Nadia, Nadia Anett who goes by many names. Even Veronika takes on many names for herself, like Victoria, a Jewish name. Vicki is a common Jew name, many Jewish girls have been named Victoria since hundreds of years ago– Veronika chose this as her alias not as her fake persona. Born a Christian, I’ve never understood a reason to take on other names. When the nun asked of us to choose a name for our Christian name at the age of 13, I was confused. Why must we choose this? Someone we admire, she said. I had to do lessons, it was my grandparents doing, and their parents — put upon my mother to continue their beliefs. But a year later my own parents said to them, no, we say this stops now and we will be spiritual and have no need to enter a church to connect with a higher power (religious lessons stopped). My parents didn’t care if I received less gifts from family members who insisted we stay in the church and did I? No. Veronika Hompo chooses to be personalities to fool the Satanists and nazis so she can seem like the good doer and not the bad girl she is. She has always has many Jewish friends and had pleasure having them, so much that she wished she lived where her Jewish friends lived and could be with them and not with Hungarians. She’s only saying her lies to gain the trust of the satanists and nazis because she lost all her friends, Jews, Christians and non-religious and the truth is that those with even blood of either were not religious and didn’t care, they all treated Veronika Hompo so well and so kind that Veronika knew she always had people who cared about her with full trust. Now she only lies and if she keeps lying, karma will come tenfold and karmic retributions she must be aware of, and they will do her in, for she has done wrong to many and those she has lied about and harmed, karma will come to her for. Satan is not going to help her, for even he doesn’t approve of a liar. Joy of Satan members, maybe they can’t tell the truth, but Veronika will soon make a mistake and someone will realize and then look into it more close and find the real truth of Veronika Hompo or Victoria, whoever she would want to call herself that day or week with them while pretending she is doing their work for them and for satan, but really she is doing it for Veronika and for another reason she won’t reveal, a secret she holds and will never tell them or you, the reader here. It’s all in her emails.

Veronika Hompo is a manipulative and dangerous person. Holding the proof back is really not easy. Her sickness should be publicly known, the world online needs to beware of psychotic maniacs like this cyberbullying stalker who enjoys child exploitation and flirts with underage boys online all the time. She’s nealry 30 yet chooses young boys to associate herself with. Possibly she is not able to communicate and interact socially with those her own age. IRL she is a loner and outcast. She cannot keep a relationship with acquaintances for more than a handful of weeks at the most. She’s too unstable to have long-term relationships with people IRL and online. Eventually they see through the acting and false personality. Veronika Hompo is really incapable of holding in her true self; her cruel, evil and vile self that seeks to harm other, to inflict pain and suffering to others (including strangers). She has deluded herself with Hitler and Himmler and her fantasy world of aliens, UFO’s and barbarians as upstanding citizens of the planet. She’s off the deep end for a long time and not coming back.

*Kim Yoora is the name Veronika had used for years on Facebook. It’s the name of one of her favorite Korean singers. She uses Yoora Kim on JoS and now on Facebook. Her original Korean account was named 김요라, Kim Yoo Ra. Veronika was open about it being her, she didn’t hide it from anyone. Vegans who have now deleted and blocked her on Facebook have all confirmed that they were aware that Veronika Hompo was  김요라. She uses another alias account on JoS, a male user, whose name is also taken from that of a singer, a Hungarian singer. Her Béla Kováts user has a photo of a man fishing in Lake Michigan. She used the same photos of this man, from Michigan, USA, for the sock account profile she had on Facebook in that same name. His name is taken from that of an actor, a Hungarian actor. She has 3 sock accounts using names of people in the arts, but she thinks no one will realize what she is doing because most people she is using the accounts with are not familiar with these singers or actors. Gábor Gábriel is the name of a Hungarian singer, actor and painter. How much more evidence would one need to realize HungARYAN or scythianwarrior is purposely deceiving everyone?

Veronika Hompo’s Facebook profiles, from her real profile followed by sock accounts in chronological order. The newest and most recent, active sock/alias profiles will be listed at the bottom of the list and updated accordingly.

Veronika Hompo https://www.facebook.com/170588kng
Nadia A. Kiss https://www.facebook.com/kdrseoykdxyfwcr
Erzsebet Horvath https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002854374945
Elizabeth Ho https://www.facebook.com/ieui9844KNVVEWWoyc4906825329
김요라 https://www.facebook.com/vrildamen
김요라 https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005487735189
Istvan Nemeth https://www.facebook.com/istvan.nemeth.1675275
Adél Kassai https://www.facebook.com/adel.kassai
Viktória Venus https://www.facebook.com/viki.feher86
Adél Kassai https://www.facebook.com/adel.kassai
Prska Red https://www.facebook.com/piroska.piros.33
Gábor Barabás https://www.facebook.com/dmmwvb209opq977896nxyvcu
Tamas Varnay https://www.facebook.com/tamas.varnay.9
Tamas Varnay https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007165651017
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/szabolcs.mate.7
Béla Kováts https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008343046076
Szittya Harcos https://www.facebook.com/harcos.szittya
Szittya Harcos https://www.facebook.com/iskit.savasci
Anette N. Petit Mignon https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005074726616
Nadia Varnay https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007520025677
Set Nakt https://www.facebook.com/zetur.narul.1
Csaba Hong https://www.facebook.com/csaba.ho.1
Csaba Hong https://www.facebook.com/csaba.hong58
Andrea Polgar https://www.facebook.com/andrea.polgar.12
Anette N. Petit Mignon https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005074726616
Nadia Varnay https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007520025677
https://www.facebook.com/nadia.varnay
Béla Kováts (Scythian Warrior) https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007090426175
Nadine Gentil Cher https://www.facebook.com/nadine.gentilcher
Nadine Gentil Cher http://www.facebook.com/nadine.gentilcher
Nadine Gentil Cher https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008042504973
Dina Cher https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008102478208
Kárpát Leánya https://www.facebook.com/karpat.leanya
Yoora Kim https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004644255538
Szabolcs Maté https://www.facebook.com/szabolcs.mate.7
Nadia Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004496385010
Yoora Kim https://www.facebook.com/vrildamen88
Gabor Barabas https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004265025623
Tamas Varnay (Barabas Gabor) https://www.facebook.com/gabor.barabas.315
Ilona Horvath (Hompóné Erzsébet) https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005246296383
Timea Wilhelm https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004644255538
Belane Szittya Kovats (Scythian Warrior) https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004719616326
Szittya Harcos https://www.facebook.com/szittya.harcos
Nadia Varnay Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006576438985
Nadia Varnay Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004753785714
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/szabolcs.mate.737
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004128014827
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004450458843
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004654514841
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004784954874
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005943259019
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006620774846
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008415468056
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004123998174
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006891406212
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007585395203
Szabolcs Mate https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007684125423
Béla Kováts https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007684035962
Béla Kováts https://www.facebook.com/bela.kovats.372
Nadia Varnay Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005355257387
Nadine Gentil Cher https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007627487397
Nadia Kiss https://www.facebook.com/nadia.kiss.142
Timea Wilhelm (Kim Yoora) https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004644255538 (Veronika Hompo’s regurgitated Korean Profile.)
Nadia Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008599656331
Réka Luca Szabó https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008788620243
Nadia. A. Kiss https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009117092873
Tivadar László Szép https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008998210981
Gyula Galaczi https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008723231548
Varnay Kiss Nadia https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004128014827
신세기  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009191405440
Dorina Szabó https://www.facebook.com/balazs.nemet.90
Anouck De Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010124676650
Tímea Wilhelm (김유라) https://www.facebook.com/timea.wilhelm.9
Tímea Wilhelm (김유라) https://www.facebook.com/wilhelm.timea666
Andrea Desdemona Horváth https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009661601852
Balázs Szabó https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009661601852
Zora Zvijezda https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010530187552
Janos Gondar https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009614532179
Barth Alice https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010619325226
Alice Barth https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010619325226
Linda Rehm https://www.facebook.com/linda.rehm.395
Atilla Boros https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010583342417
András Barna https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100011158441482
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012395044335
Maria Desič https://www.facebook.com/maria.desic.5
Anja Heß https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012404403624
Peter Brosič http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012337689320
Eldar Rashi https://www.facebook.com/eldar.rashi
Anja Heß Hess https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012404403624
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012495368738
Tom Butler https://www.facebook.com/butler.tom.7
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/anouck.derouvroy
Zora Zvijezda https://www.facebook.com/zora.zvijezda.9
Anja Heß / Anja Hess https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012420407200
Chandra Kamal https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012454668904
Natasha Zvezda https://www.facebook.com/natasha.zvezda.5
Erienne Kavanagh https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012743071932
Peter Ljubov https://www.facebook.com/peter.ljubov
Desdemona Daimon https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012436749136
Ria Baal https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012539349144
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013084594593
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013126126196
Estrella del Alba https://www.facebook.com/estrella.delalba.9026
Natalie Briant https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013127436663
Estrella del Alba / Eszter Alba https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013469622899
Anouck de Rouvroy https://www.facebook.com/anouck.derouvroy.3
Anita Toth https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013105471160
Zora Zvijezda https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013359726530
Desdemona Daimon https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013583166395

 

Anett nadia Kiss https://plus.google.com/107802997476587915930
Balázs Németh https://plus.google.com/105131673565652833520
Béla Kováts https://plus.google.com/116046365448646843200
Veronika Hompo https://plus.google.com/u/3/103448124590903405915
Piroska Red https://plus.google.com/u/3/107878324019370420826
Nadya https://plus.google.com/u/0/109718335240242002791/posts
Viktória Fehér https://plus.google.com/u/0/103206975781837670763/posts
Veronika Hompo https://plus.google.com/u/0/103448124590903405915/posts
Anouck De Rouvroy https://plus.google.com/103817513763254064929/posts
Yoo-ra Kim https://plus.google.com/100991906523052393411/posts

If any of those profiles were actually real people, they would not have all been deleted at all. Since Facebook can see hardware ID’s they can deduct an alias account. Each account above except for Veronika Hompo herself was deleted as fraudulent and fake. Each person that had reported the profiles received a confirmation of deletion, a thank you and notice that Veronika Hompo would not be told who reported her fake profiles. Dozens of users reported her for each profile, just as they dozens upon dozens did years ago when she used multiples to harass strangers and abuse Terms of Use by bullying people she felt didn’t follow her rules. She wasn’t even following her own rules herself! she was never vegan, never cared about animals and she was always sending “Merry Christmas!” to users’ profiles in December. Not “Happy Yule” but MERRY CHISTMAS. Her alternate personality did the same. Nadia Anett Kiss always posted after Veronika Hompo logged off. As if this was not noticed by everyone she thought she was close to. 😀

Veronika Hompo, I am not who you keep accusing me of being and you are a sick sociopath psychotic. You attack the wrong person, you’re a vile whore and your alternate personalities you take on to post on the internet prove you need deep therapies in many areas, your brain isn’t healthy, your mind is damaged and your soul is black. You should only wish I was who you think I am, for she would have you in the darkest place. She pities you, she thinks you are nothing but pathetic and useless, a nobody and worthless, she asked me to not even say a word about you, said you weren’t worth words on the screen, that no one paid attention to you, they laugh at you, make fun of you and think you’re the craziest lunatic, but I got sick of you making your public assumptions and threats and then your most detestable fetishes you posted, your secret desires for things serial killers thoughts are made of, and
I think the world should know what a female stalker who is going to being killing people is thinking inside her very sick mind. You started with harassing, abuse, stalking then posting fantasies of how you want people to die, to feel their sickness, to slowly die, to kill their children, then you laughed, you post smileys about it, and the people all over the globe now will know you, Veronika Hompo, the soon to be serial killer for the Joy of Satan e-group, the one Hungarian user who pretended to be all these Hungarians who suddenly found JoS.

Everyone will soon know your secret, Veronika Victoria Nadia Adel Kim Scythian Nadine Gentil Gabor Bullshitter Non-Aryan Liar to “JOY of SATAN” maybe even your antagonist Kissyou was you, made for drama to show JoS you are some warrior woman with no restraints? Time will tell, and they will watch you when they see you are not what you say.

Veronika Hompo aka Nadia Kiss; Serial Killer in the making, her new “career” dedicated to the Joy of Satan Ministries and her “father Enki,” a fictitious deity created in a novel written by a Jewish author. After Veronika kills her first human prey, she will crave slaughtering moreso than ever. Does anyone actually think this sociopath is vegan? That was just a phase, a former fixation from a damaged mind. She focuses on something with passion every year or so, and with this focus and dedication she puts all her life into it. Prior to her version of satanism and satan, it was veganism and animal rights and animal liberation. That is no longer one of her cares. Before all of the above, it was to protect and serve a man, a stranger on the internet, and she did so as if he was her husband and lover. It’s part of her mental illnesses. Yes, that was plural. Surely everyone sees she suffers more than one, and sadly for her she is so sick she’s unable to behave sly and hide her diseases. She’s easily caught as soon as she comes out and logs on the internet. She’s a parasite and disease, she should be purged from the systems and left to her squalid life of poverty and filth.

She loathes the High Priests and Priestess’s of Joy of Satan. She sent an email privately to a “friend” explaining her ritual to murder VovinPrgel, another JoS clergy member. She has a deep hatred for HP Mageson yet pretends she has made some sort or peace with him. She made sure to privately tell someone on her friend list, who already ratted on her to another Satanist group, that she “hates that jew retard Don Danko” She called one a “whore and stupid dumb bitch” –HighPriestess Myla Limlal666, and him, “a dumb jew retard” –directly towards HP Mageson666; she only apologized so she could CONTROL ALL OF YOU in her own way, she thinks she controls YOU and she thinks she is better than High Priestess Maxine Dietrich, think that’s not true then go read all of her insane ramble and read it in native Hungarian! As the Nadia Kiss persona, she believes she is more powerful and far more intelligent and deserving of everything High Priestess Maxine Dietrich has, and she does feel she can take her position by over turning the flock against the other HP’s and Maxine. Read all her loony-tune posts talking to herself on her fake accounts on FB. She’s a fucking psychopath and has multiple personality disorder, no joke!

Dozens of FB users sent to this blog many emails and FB msg’s proving Hompo’s LIES on Joy of Satan about what she’s been telling them about her past relations.
Maybe those emails and messages should come public and be sent to the main JOS email since we’ve gotten the JOS email from Hompo’s threats to a few of the members there! Unhinged is she?! Well, we can prove she has been lying like a rug to all the HP’s and to these childish friends that fell for her manipulative headtrips on them.

Public image of Veronika Hompo posted by Hompo on her Facebook profile. She had stated she "is not a coward and won't hide herself" and wanted her photo public. This doesn't violate any Terms since Veronika Hompo (or Victoria. What name she goes by is no importance; all of these users who post filth like Whorepo want it public and make it public, they seek attention after years of being ignoredand unheard, sub-human nobodies that are barren and look decades older than their true chronological age. This image is from Veronika Hompo's profile many years ago, when she posted it she said it was an old photo back then. She is afraid to show her self, she knows she has become so ugly, old, haggard and dried up, no man wants her.

Public image of Veronika Hompo posted by Hompo on her Facebook profile. She had stated she “is not a coward and won’t hide herself” and wanted her photo public. This doesn’t violate any Terms since Veronika Hompo (or Victoria. What name she goes by is no importance; all of these users who post filth like Whorepo want it public and make it public, they seek attention after years of being ignored and unheard, sub-human nobodies that are barren and look decades older than their true chronological age.) This image is from Veronika Hompo’s profile many years ago, when she posted it she said it was an old photo back then. She is afraid to show her self, she knows she has become so ugly, old, haggard and dried up, no man wants her. Even this photo of almost 10 years ago or more shows signs of covering up flaws and disfigurements on this Hungarian inbred. The overuse of Photoshop or other photo editing software is clear. Her face is like a plastic sheet.

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Hitler — The Hypochondriac, The Man with Faecal Attraction and The High Junkie on 74-92 Different “Meds”

Adolf Hitler was on crystal meth and a drug made from human faeces Channel 4 documentary shows

Adolf Hitler was on crystal meth and a drug made from human faeces
Channel 4 documentary shows

By Ben Dowell
Sunday 19 October 2014 at 08:00AM

(Cowardly fuck looks rather cranky, eh? --Added by blogger)

(Cowardly fuck looks rather cranky, eh?  Ugly mofos–Added by blogger)

TV’s fascination with the Nazis shows no sign of abating. And tonight Channel 4 pore over the private records of Adolf Hitler’s personal physician Theodor Morell, a vain, squat, fat and unpleasant quack doctor (pictured above behind the German dictator).

Morell was a fanatical note taker and carefully recorded every detail of Hitler’s physical condition on an almost daily basis (it is thought to protect himself in case his boss happened to die and the dictator’s henchmen wanted a scapegoat).
So what was Hitler’s health like? Bad does not even get close. And there is a ghoulish fascination to be had in being told in the programme that the chief proponent of Aryan supremacy was a profoundly sick man with bad breath, chronic flatulence and stomach cramps who used pills made from the faeces of soldiers to keep him going.

Yes, the chief of a land of supposedly great warriors was a physical wreck and a nervy hypochondriac who relied on 74 different kinds of medication at one point of his life.

More bizarrely, the cocktail of drugs he was on included crystal meth which is thought to have powered his crazed speechifying and once saw him rant, without interruption, at fellow dictator Benito Mussolini for four hours on end. And he was treated with leeches at various points in his life.

It’s a fascinating film showing how the madness of Nazism extended even into the arena of the physical well-being of its figurehead, a man sick in body as well as mind.

The sometimes breathy narration tells us that Morell’s actual journals have “never been seen on British television before” but the juicy information is already there in the history books. But that doesn’t stop this being a well-assembled, diverting and intimate insight into the corporeality of evil. And yes, Morell’s notes testify that Hitler did have two testicles.

Hitler’s Hidden Drug Habit: Secret History is on Channel 4 on Sunday October 19
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Der Fartenführer: The Story of Hitler’s Illnesses

Miss Cellania • Monday, March 24, 2014 at 5:00 AM

The following is an article from Uncle John’s Endlessly Engrossing Bathroom Reader.

What was it that caused Adolf Hitler’s physical and mental health to collapse in the closing days of World War II? He was losing the war, of course- surely that had a great deal to do with it. But for more than 60 years, historians have wondered if there was more to it than that.

THE LEADER

The LeaderOn April 21, 1945, an SS physician named Ernst-Günther Schenck was summoned to Adolph Hitler’s bunker in Berlin and ordered to stock it with food. By that time, Germany’s war was hopelessly lost -most of the country has been already in Allied hands. Soviet troops had almost completely circled Berlin and were battling their way into the center of the city. Rather than flee, Hitler decided to make his final stand in his führerbunker in the heart of the Nazi capital. He would remain there until the end, which for him was just nine days away.

Like all Germans, Dr. Schenck had been fed a steady diet of photographs, films, and propaganda posters of Hitler since the dictator had come to power in 1933. But the man he saw in the bunker looked nothing like those images. The 56-year-old Hitler “was a living corpse, a dead soul,” Schenck remembered in a 1985 interview. “His spine was hunched, his shoulder blades protruded from his bent back, and he collapsed his shoulders like a turtle… I was looking into the eyes of death.”

OLD MAN

Old ManEven more shocking than the way Hitler looked was the way he moved about the bunker. He walked with the slow, halting shuffle of a man thirty years older, dragging his left leg behind him as he went. He couldn’t go more than a few steps without grabbing onto something for support.

Hitler’s head, arms, and entire left side trembled and jerked uncontrollably. No longer able to write his own name, he signed important documents with a rubber stamp. He had always insisted on shaving himself -the murderer of millions could not stand the thought of another man holding a razor to his throat- but his trembling hands made that impossible, too. He could not lift food to his mouth without spilling it down the front of his uniform and could not take a seat without help -after he shuffled up to a table, an aide pushed a chair behind him, and he plopped down into it.

Hitler’s mental state had deteriorated as well. His thinking was muddled, his memory was failing, and his emotions whipsawed back and forth between long bouts of irrational euphoria (especially irrational considering how close Germany was to defeat) and fits of screaming, uncontrollable rage that lasted for hours.

DIAGNOSES

Schenck remained in Berlin until the end. On April 29, Hitler married his longtime mistress, Eva Braun, and the following day the pair committed suicide in the führerbunker. Germany surrendered unconditionally on May 7.

Diagnoses Der Führerbunker

Der Führerbunker. (Image credit: German Federal Archives)

After the war, Schenck spent a decade in Soviet prison camps. He never forgot what he saw in the führerbunker, and after his release he spent years poring over Hitler’s medical records in an attempt to discover just what had caused the dictator’s health to decline so rapidly in the final years and months of his life.

He was not alone in this effort- in the more than 60 years since the end of the war, many historians, physicians, and World War II buffs have done the same thing. What caused Hitler’s collapse -was it Parkinson’s disease? Tertiary syphilis? Giant cell arteritis? Countless theories have been advanced to explain Hitler’s physical and mental decline, and after all this time the experts are no closer to agreeing than they were on the day he died.

THE CURE THAT ILLS

One of the more bizarre theories was advanced by some of Hitler’s own doctors in July 1944. The diagnosis came about by chance, after a visiting ear, nose, and throat specialist named Dr. Erwin Geising happened to notice six tiny black pills -“Doctor Koester’s Anti-Gas Pills”- sitting on the Führer’s breakfast tray next to his porridge, dry bread, and orange juice. After spotting the pills, Geising did something that Hitler’s own personal physician, an eccentric quack named Dr. Theodore Morell, had apparently never bothered to do: He examined the tin the pills came in and actually read the label to see what was in them. Geising was stunned by what he read. Could it be? Was the Führer bring poisoned by the pills he took to control his meteorism -powerful attacks of uncontrollable farting?

GUT FEELING

Hitler had suffered from digestive problems his entire life. Since childhood he’d been prone to crippling, painful stomach cramps during times of emotional distress. By the time he’d reached his early 40s, the cramping had become more frequent, often accompanied by violent bouts of farting, along with alternate bouts of diarrhea and constipation.

The farting attacks are one of the reasons Hitler became a vegetarian in the early 1930s: He didn’t trust doctors, so rather than seek professional help for his condition he tried to treat it himself by eliminating meat, rich foods, milk, and butter from his diet in favor of raw and cooked vegetables and whole grains.

STILL FARTIN’

Still Fartin'Increasing the fiber in his diet did not improve Hitler’s condition; if anything it made him even gassier than he’d been before. (But the vegetarian diet may have made his farts less smelly, and he may have been willing to settle for that.) By the mid-1930s, Hitler was the ruler of Germany… and still farting like a horse. His attacks were most severe right after meals; during dinner parties it was common for him to suddenly leap up from the table and disappear into his private quarters, leaving stunned guests to wonder why the Führer had gone and when he might be back. On many nights he did not return at all.

In 1936 Hitler happened to meet Dr. Morell at a Christmas party. After pulling the doctor aside, Hitler poured out his problems, describing his intestinal distress and his eczema: itchy, inflamed skin on his shins, so painful that he could not put on his boots. By now Hitler had given up on trying to cure himself and allowed Germany’s best doctors to examine him. They put him on a diet of tea and dry toast, but all that did was leave him feeling weak and exhausted. Morell listened attentively …and then promised to cure both problems within a year. Hitler decided to give him a try.

STRANGE BEDFELLOWS

By the mid-1930s, the Nazis had already begun destroying what before their rise had been one of the most advanced medical communities in the world. At the same time that they undermined the scientific underpinnings of the German medical establishment with their loony racial theories and crackpot pseudoscience, the Nazis were driving German Jews out of the profession, along with any “Aryan” Germans who opposed Nazism. And yet for all the damage the Nazis did to German medicine, there were still plenty of skilled, capable doctors from whom Hitler could choose his personal physician. So it’s all the more remarkable that he chose someone as peculiar and incompetent as Dr. Theodore Morell.

DOC MEDIOC-RITY

Doc Medioc-rityMorell’s resume left a lot to be desired. A onetime ship’s doctor who served as an army physician during World War I, he opened a general practice on the fashionable Kurfürstendamm street in Berlin after the war and counted a lot of society figures -politicians, actors, artists, nightclub singers- among his patients. With the exception of occasional cases of bad skin, impotence, or venereal disease, Morell shied away from treating people who were genuinely ill, referring these cases to other doctors while he built up a clientele of fashionable, big-spending patients whose largely psychosomatic illnesses responded well to his close attention, flattery, and ineffective quack treatments.

Morell’s skill at coddling his patients was masterful, but his abilities as a physician were clearly deficient, to the point of putting their health at risk. “In practice he was occasionally careless,” biographer John Toland writes in Adolph Hitler. “He was known to have wrapped a patient’s arm with a bandage he just used to wipe a table, and to inject the same needle without sterilization into two patients.”

“MADE” IN BULGARIA

%22Made%22 in Bulgaria - Hitler's Feces PillsIn addition to overseeing his practice, Morell served on the board of Hageda, a pharmaceutical company that manufactured a strange mediation called Mutaflor, whose active ingredient was live bacteria cultured from the fecal matter of “a Bulgarian peasant of the most vigorous stock.”

Mutaflor was intended to treat digestive disorders- the theory being that digestive problems were caused when healthy bacteria, which lived in the intestinal tract and were essential to good digestion, were killed off or crowded out by unhealthy bacteria. Ingesting the cultured dung of a vigorous, clean-living Bulgarian peasant, the theory went, would reintroduce beneficial bacteria into an unhealthy digestive tract and restore proper function.
That was the theory, and while it sounded pretty good, in truth it was literally a load of crap, and good German doctors knew it. Not so Dr. Morell -and because he had a financial interest in the company that made Metaflor, he prescribed the pills to virtually all his patients, whether they suffered from digestive complaints of not. Hitler did suffer from digestive complaints, of course, and Morell soon had the Führer taking regular doses of Mutaflor …plus two tablets of Dr. Koester’s Anti-Gas Pills at every meal.

PRIMARY PHYSICIAN

Hitler’s intestinal ailments were intermittent and, as had been the case during his childhood, still had a considerable psychological component: He suffered from attacks of cramps and farting during times of stress, then when things calmed down his symptoms abated. After he placed himself under Morell’s care, it was just a matter of time before his condition improved, and when relief finally came a few months later -at about the same time his eczema began to clear up- Hitler naturally attributed his deliverance to Morell.

The “cure” was only temporary, but no matter -the Führer had finally found a doctor he could believe in. “Nobody has ever before told me so clearly and precisely what was wrong with me,” Hitler told his chief architect, Albert Speer. “His method of cure is so logical that I have the greatest confidence in him. I shall follow his prescription to the letter.” Morell would remain by Hitler’s side until almost the very end.

HEAVEN SCENT

Heaven ScentHitler took to Morell immediately, but the Führer’s inner circle despised the doctor from the start, and not just because he was an obvious quack- he was also an extremely unpleasant person to be around. The morbidly obese Morell did not bathe regularly: His skin and hair were greasy, his fingernails often filthy, and when his powerful body odor and bad breath weren’t enough to clear the room, his propensity for belching and farting in polite company usually did the trick. “He has an appetite as big as his belly and gives not only visual but audible expression of it,” Speer observed.

Even Eva Braun found Morell repulsive, but Hitler didn’t care. When she and others complained about his offensive body odor, the Führer brushed them off. “I do not employ him for his fragrance, but to look after my health,” he’d say. (Who knows? Maybe Hitler liked having another farter in the room, so that no one who “smelt it” could tell for sure who’d “dealt it.”)

TAKE THISAND THISAND THIS

In those early days, Morell’s influence on Hitler was fairly benign; the stinky doctor limited himself to giving diet tips and, of course, prescribing Mutaflor and Dr. Koester’s Anti-Gas Pills. But over time he became more controlling over what Hitler was allowed to eat, and the number and strength of medications he prescribed increased dramatically. In the years to come he would prescribe enzymes, liver extracts, stimulants, hormones, painkillers, sedatives, tranquilizers, muscle relaxants, morphine derivatives (to induce constipation), laxatives (to relieve it), and other drugs by the dozen.

According to one estimate, by the early 1940s, Hitler was taking 92 different kinds of drugs, including 63 different pills and skin lotions. Some medicines were taken only when specific complaints arose, but others were taken every day. By the summer of 1941, Hitler was popping between 120 and 150 pills a week on average. And on top of all the pills, Morell also administered injections -as many as 10 a day, sometimes more. So many, in fact, that even Herman Goering, Hitler’s heir apparent and himself a morphine addict, was startled by their frequency and took to calling Morell the “Reich Injection Master.”

Nobody knew for sure what Morell was giving Hitler. There were other physicians in the Führer’s service- two surgeons, Dr. Karl Brandt and Dr. Hans Karl von Hasselbach, traveled with Hitler in case he ever needed emergency surgery, and other specialists, such as visiting ear, nose, and throat doctor Erwin Geising, were called on from time to time to treat specific complaints. But none knew what Morell was really up to. Any physician worth his salt would have been alarmed by all the injections Morell was administering. But when Brandt or anyone else asked him what was in the shots or why Hitler needed so many, he shrugged them off as vitamins of glucose (sugar) injections, or answered cryptically, “I give him what he needs.”

THE ONE-TWO PUNCH

The One-Two Punch

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Considering all the medications that Morell was administering to Hitler, why was it Dr. Koester’s Anti-Gas Pills that finally prompted the other physicians to act? It may have been the simple fact that they came in a tin. Most of the pills and shots that Hitler took were unidentified and mysterious, but Dr. Koester’s Anti-Gas Pills came in a little metal container (like Altoids heath mints or Sucrets throat lozenges) that identified them by name and even listed the active ingredients: gentian, belladonna, and an extract of something called nux vomica.

The gentian was harmless enough. But the presence of the other two ingredients in the pills, plus the revelation that Hitler, on top of all his other medications, was popping as many as 20 of the anti-gas pills a day, was startling. Even if Dr. Morell had read the label on the tin, he might not have known that nux vomica is a seed that contains a large amount of strychnine, commonly used as the active ingredient in rat poison. Belladonna, also known as deadly nightshade, contains atropine, a toxic substance that can cause excitement, confusion, hallucinations, coma, and death if taken in large quantities.

That’s what alarmed Dr. Geising when he saw the six black pills sitting on Hitler’s breakfast tray that morning in July 1944: Without even realizing it, Hitler’s own personal physician had exposed him on a daily basis to significant doses of not one, but two deadly poisons.

DER GUINEA PIG

By then it was obvious to everyone around him that Hitelr’s physical and mental state were deteriorating. His tremor had become quite pronounced, his memory was slipping, and his mood swings were intensifying. Geising wondered if the rat poison in the fart pills was the cause of some or all of these symptoms. He popped a few tablets himself… and when he began to experience some of the same symptoms, including irritability and stomach cramps, he shared his theory with Hitler’s surgeons, Dr. Brandt and Dr. von Hasselbach.

THE PLOT THICKENS

Brandt and von Hasselbach had never liked Dr. Morell and had no faith in his abilities, and like Dr. Geising they were concerned for the state of Hitler’s health. Now, they thought, they had an opportunity to get rid of Morell once and for all and give the Führer the proper medical care he clearly needed. But if they thought getting rid of Morell would be easy once his incompetence was exposed, they soon learned how mistaken they were. When Brandt told Hitler what was in the pills he was popping like candy, he not only took Morell’s side, he fired Brandt and von Hasselbach for daring to interfere with Morell, and he told the visiting Dr. Geising that his services were no longer needed.

Even though Morell was as stunned as everyone else to learn that he’d been medicating the Führer with rat poison, Hitler himself didn’t seem to mind. “I myself always thought they were just charcoal tablets for soaking up my intestinal gases, and I always felt rather pleasant after taking them,” he explained.

And though it was Morell’s responsibility to keep track of how many of the pills Hitler was taking, Hitler himself ignored Morell’s instruction to take only two at a time and had begun taking six or more before each meal. The dictator didn’t blame the pills for his stomach cramps, either, since those dated back to his childhood.

Now that Hitler understood that the fart pills were potentially dangerous, he stopped taking so many… but his health did not improve. His physical and mental decline not only continued, it accelerated.

So what was the true cause of his collapse?

Der Führerbunker after the war

Der Führerbunker after the war. (Image credit: German Federal Archives)

 

BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD

All doubts about the safety of Dr. Koester’s Anti-Gas Pills were resolved when some of them were sent to a lab for analysis. The fart pills were found to contain small enough doses of strychnine and atropine that Hitler would have had to consume 30 pills or more -all in one sitting- for them to pose a threat to his health. He never took more than 6 at a time, and never more than 20 over the course of a day. Strychnine is quickly neutralized by the human body and does not accumulate in body tissues; because of this, nonlethal doses such as those contained in Dr. Koester’s pills can be taken for years on end with little or no ill effect. (Still, don’t try it at home!)

Neither the rat poison nor the peasant poop had done Hitler much good… but they hadn’t done him much harm, either. But the intravenous injections that Morell administered to Hitler beginning in the late 1930s were a different story. Morell was very secretive about what was in the Führer’s regular daily shots; in his surviving medical records he never suggests that they contain anything other than vitamins or glucose. Some of the injections undoubtably contained these relatively innocuous ingredients, but not all of them. There’s considerable evidence to suggest that many of the shots Morell administered contained something much more powerful -and that they, not the Mutaflor or Dr. Koester’s Anti-Gas Pills, were responsible for the collapse in Hitler’s health at the end of his life.

GOOOOOOD MORNING!

Dr. Morell, Hitler, and Mrs. Morell.

Dr. Morell, Hitler, and Mrs. Morell.

Some of the most convincing pieces of evidence are the eyewitness accounts of how Hitler responded to the intravenous injections. In the late 1930s, the shots were administered infrequently, usually just before an important meeting or a major speech, when Hitler wanted a quick boost. But by late 1941, they were being administered every morning, before Hitler had even gotten out of bed, as part of his daily routine. Hitler’s valets, secretaries, and other close aides occasionally witnessed the shots being administered, and after the war they all described how the sleepy and sometimes completely exhausted Führer responded to all the injections instantly, sometimes even while the needle was still in his arm: One moment he was groggy and uncommunicative, and the very next moment he was fully alert and sitting up in bed, contentedly chatting away with whoever was in the room. Ordinary vitamins and glucose didn’t produce the instant surge of energy that Hitler experienced, even when injected directly into the veins.

THANK YOU SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER

THANK YOU SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHERBy 1943 Hitler was receiving two shots a day, more if the news from the front was especially bad. As the years progressed -and the tide of the war turned against Germany- Hitler called on Morell more and more frequently to give him the injections. By late 1944, the doctor was administering so many shots that he was having trouble finding fresh areas in Hitler’s needle-pocked arms to give new injections.

As Morell confided to an assistant, Hitler’s tolerance for whatever was in the shots had increased so dramatically over time that Morell had to increase the dosage from 2 cubic centimeters per injection to 4, then 10, then eventually to 16 cc -an increase of 700 percent- for the injections to have the desired effect.

As Dr. Leonard Heston and Renate Heston point out in their book The Medical Case of Adolph Hitler, human tolerance for vitamins and glucose does not change over time. The fact that Hitler was building up a tolerance for the injections is further evidence that they contained a drug of some kind.

THE DRUG CULTURE

When you compare this evidence to the eyewitness accounts of Hitler’s instant response to the drug, a likely candidate for which drug he was taking begins to emerge. “The effects described,” the Hestons write, “are characteristic of an injection of a stimulant drug of the amphetamine group or cocaine, and are not compatible with any other drug.” Of the two possibilities, “amphetamine …is much more probable because its injectable form was readily available, while injectable cocaine was an illegal drug… Also, the effects of amphetamine last two or three hours, while the action of cocaine is much more rapidly terminated. The effects on Hitler were relatively long-lasting.”

SIDE EFFECTS

Hitler and Eva Braun, 1945.

Hitler and Eva Braun, 1945.

Amphetamines give the user a surge in energy and an improvement in mood, just as witnesses to Hitler’s injections described. But they are now illegal for a very good reason: They’re terribly addictive and they have numerous debilitating negative side effects that more than outweigh the handful of desirable affects.

When taken even in moderate amounts, amphetamines can cause insomnia -which Hitler suffered from- and loss of appetite. As dosages increase, so do the number and intensity of the side effects. Psychological side effects associated with amphetamine toxicity include euphoria, irritability, paranoia, impulsiveness, loss of emotional control, and rigid thinking that is often marked by an obsession with minor, unimportant details at the expense of the larger picture. Because these symptoms impair the user’s ability to perceive events and the surrounding environment rationally, decision making also suffers.

NO SURRENDER

Hitler suffered from all these symptoms and, at least as far as his generals were concerned, his thinking did indeed become impaired, especially his ability to make intelligent, rational decisions. A number of the generals assigned to Hitler’s headquarters were convinced he was losing his mind.

One of the reasons the war in Europe ended in the spring of 1945 and not many months or even years later is that even as the tide of war turned against Germany, Hitler irrationally demanded that his battlefield commanders hold every inch of ground they had conquered, even when their situations became hopeless. In late 1942, for example, General Friedrich von Paulus, commander of the Sixth Army, requested permission to withdraw his troops from the Russian city of Stalingrad to avoid being surrounded by a superior force of Russian troops. Hitler, who by now was receiving shots every day, responded with a lunatic reply that the Sixth Army could withdraw from Stalingrad, “provided that it could still hold Stalingrad.” Unable to think of a way to abandon a position and hang onto it at the same time, von Paulus dutifully remained remained in the city. Stalingrad was surrounded a few weeks later, and in January 1943, the Sixth Army surrendered. As many as 800,000 Axis troops died in the Battle of Stalingrad, and when it ended, 90,000 soldiers who survived it were marched off to Siberia. All but 6,000 perished.
Stalingrad. (Image credit: German Federal Archives)

Had Hitler allowed von Paulus to withdraw to a defensive position when requested, hundreds of thousands of German soldiers would have lived to fight another day, and the war might have dragged on for years. Instead, Stalingrad marked the turning point of the war and the beginning of the end for Nazi Germany. Who knows? We may have Dr. Morell and his amphetamines to thank for the war ending when it did.

MINDAND BODY

MIND…AND BODYIn addition to the psychological side effects of amphetamine abuse, there are physical side effects, among them twitching, tremors, and what are called “stereotypes”: compulsive behaviors, such as repeated picking at or biting one’s own skin. Hitler was twitchy, his head jerked uncontrollably, and he had tremors in spades -the shaking that began in his left hand soon spread down his left leg and then to his right hand. He also exhibited at least two types of stereotypical behavior: compulsively biting the skin around the nails of his thumbs, and picking and scratching at the skin on the back of his neck until it became infected.

The trembling in Hitler’s left leg impaired his ability to walk normally, but there may be another explanation for the slow, foot-dragging shuffle and loss of motor function that he displayed at the end of his life. Chronic amphetamine abuse takes a terrible toll on the cardiovascular system and can cause both heart attacks and strokes. Electrocardiographs taken of Hitler’s heart in July 1941 and again in September of 1943 show a deterioration in heart function between the two dates that is consistent with a heart attack. And among Dr. Morell’s surviving medical records is an article torn from a June 1943 medical journal that may provide another clue. Topic of the article: How to treat a heart attack.

Then in February 1945, the Hestons write, “Hitler suffered at least one small stroke; but he may have had several, and, indeed, his rapid decline from this time onward suggests widespread cardiovascular disease.” The odds of a healthy 56-year-old man suffering both a heart attack and one or more strokes are “distinctly improbable,” say the Hestons: “The most parsimonious explanation, given the lack of conclusive evidence, is to attribute both vascular events to the injection of intravenous amphetamine.” By April 1945, Hitler was so close to death that had he not killed himself, it may have been just a matter of time before he dropped dead from amphetamine-induced “natural” causes.

SO LONG?

Morell remained by Hitler’s side until almost the very end …but not quite. Ironically, the cause of Hitler’s falling-out with his beloved quack was an injection: Hitler had resigned himself to remaining in Berlin and committing suicide before the city fell to the Russians. Many in the Führer’s inner circle wanted him to escape to the mountains of southern Germany, where it might have been possible for the remnants of the military, led by Hitler, to hold out indefinitely. Hitler would hear none of it. He was determined to die in his capital, but he feared that his subordinates would drug him and take him out of Berlin against his will. And who better to administer the drugs than Morell? When the doctor came to Hitler on April 21 with yet another syringe filled with who-knows-what (probably just more amphetamines), the raging, paranoid Führer fired him on the spot. Not that Morell minded- by then the bombs were dropping on the führerbunker 24 hours a day, and he was desperate for an excuse to escape.

Der Führerbunker, 1947. (Image credit: German Federal Archives)

Der Führerbunker, 1947. (Image credit: German Federal Archives)

LAST GASP

Morell did make it out of Berlin, and he survived the war, but not by much. A few days after fleeing the city, he checked into a hospital complaining of heart problems. On July 17, 1945, he was arrested by the Americans and imprisoned. After investigators determined he was not guilty of any war crimes, he was released. Morell’s health continued to deteriorate, and by June 1947 he was back in the hospital, where he remained bedridden until May 1948, when he died shortly after suffering a stroke.

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The following is from “Faecal attraction: A beginner’s guide to coprophilia”

Posted on February 24, 2012, in Compulsion, Obsession, Paraphilia, Sex, Sex addiction and tagged , , , , . Bookmark the permalink

The most infamous copraphiliac was allegedly Adolf Hitler. This was alluded to in a recent 2011 biography of Hitler’s lover Eva Braun by Heike B. Gortemaker. However, other books on Hitler have been more explicit. For instance, Greg Hallet in his chapter ‘Hitler’s Sexuality’ (from his 2008 book ‘Hitler was a British Agent’) wrote:

“Hitler’s close boyhood friend from Linz, August Kubizek, wrote Adolf Hitler, Mein Jugendfreund (My Youth Friend), ‘Adolf did not engage in love affairs or flirtations. He always rejected the coquettish advances of girls or women. Women and girls took an interest in him but he always evaded their endeavours’…During deconstruction, it is customary that the person is sexually abused in the manner which is most embarrassing to that person. In Hitler’s case, he was sodomised, creating a submissive distant respect for homosexuals like his bodyguards and some of his highest-placed leaders. His natural bent was developed into coprophilia (being shat on)…With each deconstruction an embarrassing addiction is developed and filmed. With Hitler it was sadomasochism, coprophilia and homosexuality. That is, he liked to be verbally abused and slapped around, to have his head urinated on, his chest shat on, and to have sex with men

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After this blog entry, anyone still posting Hitler’s praises on JoS should realize they’re either delusional or just in some outrageously funny denial!

I will live within you

Merry CHRISTmas Veronika Hompo, make sure you wish your elderly Christian parents a Merry Christmas….also your “uncle” and “cousin” or “aunt.” Poor Veronika, everyone knows you declared yourself a Christian long ago and there is just no way possible you convinced your 76 year old father (is he alive still?) to convert from his deep Christian beliefs to Satanism. WE ALL CALL BULLSHIT. Same goes for your mother, who you forgot you told some Facebook users her real name. She is a practicing Christian. Many of the people related to you in some way are Christians with Jewish DNA. You have yet to delete your old info which you declare your religion as CHRISTIAN. You have no idea what website you did it on, which is fabulous since it will cause you hours of psychosis trying to locate where you’ve forgotten to hide your past! Enjoy this honest and truthful video which shames Hungary for it’s murders of innocent children. Would you murder your new Satanist friend’s child for being Jewish? Should we tell the HP’s or fouthreich666 or VovinPrgel since you are too coward to tell them you bonded with a man who is involved deeply with a Jewish woman and they have a Jewish child…Mike Dom is his name, is it not? With his Jewish woman who not too long ago took a trip to Israel to honor her ancestry and whom has posted on Zionist topics? (would you like to see her postings, Veronika Hompo freak?) And Jewish born daughter, yes? You know this is truth, why lie? Something you have abused, harassed and stalked another woman for, for having a child born from two religions — so, you decide who is the OK Jew and who isn’t? VovinPrgel might be a sucker and fool, unaware of the death ritual you performed claiming you were “spiritually murdering him” for what he said about you, but you, the sly bitch, convinced that fool you’re friends! Just as you did to dozens of people years ago and then you turned on ALL OF THEM. Wait until all these idiot JoS assholes who don’t realize YOU LIED to them and find out the truth, maybe a year from now, maybe years, but they will and when they do you will burn. You think you’re some tough bitch? You’re a puppet and a freak, a 12 year old on JoS playing candy store magic with yourself and large candlesticks in your dirty filth of a one room flat.

Deny facts all you want but deep down you know you and Hungary are dirty filth and low class. Why would the rest of us brilliant Hungarians (and Hungarian Germans) leave that shithole? People like you. Shit. Shit-stained ugly filth.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x27qf89_i-will-live-within-you-heb-includes-subtitles_shortfilms

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This short homage film dedicated to the memory of our brothers, holy sacrifices who were slaughtered for no reason and amongst them the innocent 1,500,000 children.
Based on parts of real letters of Holocaust victims taken from the book “Final Letters – From Victims of the Holocaust” edited by Zvi Bachrach, Yad Va’Shem, Volume A
Narration and Illustration by Shirly Schwartz
A short film by Yaniv Schwartz (DOP)
The letters were writted by our sacred brothers:
Pinhasele Aayznar
Dr Emil Eliezer Nohal
Moshe Akaar
Gusta Berger Ehrlich
Chaim, aged 14, was murdered in Pustkow
Zeltaka and Juta Vishniatzky, mother and daughter
The father of Yehoshua Szeremi from Hungary
Ida Goldish
Asher Ben Yitzhak Schwartz
Fania Berbekov
Moishe
Hulda (?)
Elsa Kalover
Chaim Nachman Bialik “City of Slaughter”
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Truth Lies Within by Jeffheim

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The Joy of Satan (And Why You Shouldn’t Care About Them.) AKA Everyone in the JoS is an Idiot

Sometimes you stumble upon a gem online. One that makes you laugh so hard, you can’t help but almost — almost — feel pity and sorry for these losers. But hey, they chose their path and it’s no one else’s fault that they are wasting their lives. The only true victims are the teenagers. The fact that these adults take advantage of them is pure sickness.

The Joy of Satan (And Why You Shouldn’t Care About Them.)

After getting kicked off of the JoS forums and having to keep track of Mad Maxine and the rest of her little cult through a second account, I’ve started being able to see what the people in these forums say in a far more analytical and less personal light.

One thing that instantly caused me dismay recently, was a topic aimed specifically at ‘High Priestess Maxine and Black Shadow Stallion.’

AND Black Shadow Stallion?

Oh dear.

Now the most Nazified and ignorant of the Satanazis from the JoS is going to think they’re something special. This is the person who seems to know the most about the ‘cosmic’ struggle between the supposed alliance of the ‘greys’, ‘reptiles’ and ‘angels’ – commonly known as the IGF, which somehow stands for Intergalactic Federation (the G in IGF standing for…?) and the Gods of Ancient Someria (along with whatever Gods the JoS has decided should also be part of Father Satan/Enki/Ea/Jehova’s barmy army of aliens) and is also the person who sees ‘Hitler killed Jews’ and ‘Hitler didn’t like Christian Churches’ as (the only two) perfectly logical connections between Nazism and Satanism as avid proof that Satan, in fact, follows a human made political viewpoint. I find it so amazingly frustrating, the level of stupidity that exists within this cult. But it does not surprise me.

Recently, Maxine comforted a member who wished to convert back to Christianity while they were on their death bed, dying of Cancer. All communications took place through the forums.

Maxine claimed that this was a foolish wish and that just by simply focusing on Satan, the member would recover. She even used a story, which was so painfully obviously fabricated, to back up her claims. Apparently, once upon a time, the mighty Maxine was concerned that she was going to die of blood loss, but by focusing on Satan she was saved. Being aware that this lie wouldn’t hold up on its own and was nothing to do with the matter at hand; she even gave forth an anecdote of how a friend of hers miraculously recovered from Cancer in the same way! Well, that’s just magical, Maxine, but there were no more contexts to these tales, and as such I can claim that the fact that my cat is sleeping on lap at the moment is the only thing stopping my balls exploding and mutanagenic cream seeping out of my ears and I’ll have as much proof and justification of these facts.

And yet this comforting reply from Maxine was hailed as gracious and compassionate. In fact, every post by Maxine is immediately followed by an onslaught of blind brown nosing. The individuals of the JoS are certainly proud of their ability to think freely.

But then, suddenly it dawns on me…

So what?

The entire JoS cult is often seen as some sort of danger to Satanism. As giving real Satanism a bad name or twisting it or destroying it or whatever… but it’s not. For one simple reason…

Everyone in the JoS is an idiot.

I read through all the subjects of all the topics being discussed in both the Teens for Satan and Joy of Satan web forums and realised that everything there was either fantasy or though and through retarded rubbish, most of which had just finished being discussed in another topic and had been brought up again by someone new. The JoS goes around in neat little circles, never achieving anything.

How can they even claim to be Satanists? They worship Enki, the Sumerian God. Not Satan. Hence, they should be Enkites, or Enkists. After all, they claim that Enki was named Satan by his enemies and that Enki is Satan’s real name. So isn’t worshipping Enki, but calling yourself a Satanist a glaring insult to your God? It’s a lot like a misunderstood child at school earning the nickname ‘Shit Face’ and having everyone call him that and tease him. Then, a group of people realise that he’s not such a bad kid and open up a ‘Temple of Shit Face’. You’d assume that they’re either all a bunch of morons and ignore them or think they were taking the mick. Thus, if Enki is indeed Satan, then the JoS are probably the very last people he’d want to associate himself with.

Another recent post, supposedly proving Enki’s continued involvement with the JoS but which, as far as I can see, simply insults the intelligence of one often referred to as ‘the most clever and wise of gods’ claimed that Satan/Enki had ordered an attack on the Angel Michael. It received neither reply nor conformation at any time from any ‘High Priest’ or even a regarded member. It was posted in the Teens for Satan forum and nowhere else. The message was exactly as follows:

“Louis Rynsard” <louis@r…>

wrote:

Father has asked me to tell every Satanist I know of to focus
all their offensive energy at the archangel Michael on November 1st
please remember this is to help us during the rapture
thank
Hail Enki

Yes, that makes perfect sense. Satan, sitting aloft upon his mighty throne, decided that the time was right to launch a major offensive against one of his archenemies. ‘How shall I go about accomplishing such a task?’ he thought to himself. ‘I know! I’ll tell some obscure moron who has no grasp of grammar to post my glorious plan in a single web forum full of people as dumb as he is! No way am I telling anyone competent or respected MY plan!’

Meanwhile, in Heaven, Michael is approached by one of his underlings… ‘Hey boss, I was doing a search on the web today and I found out that about six really stupid teenagers are planning on focusing offensive energy upon you on November first.’

‘”Offensive energy”? What the hel-uh-heck, is that?’ Michael asks, unsure whether he should be worried or vengeful.

‘I assume it’s the same as normal energy, but with its middle finger up or something.’ Replies the apathetic underling, ‘but at least now that we know exactly when they’re going to focus it, we can gather our forces, properly prepare in good time and destroy them.’

‘But,’ Michael says, wisely, ‘what if this is what they want us to think and this really is an intelligent hoax?’

At this point, I imagine the underling would collapse on the floor and laugh till his lungs exploded.

And what the hell is ‘the rapture’?

The same poster saw it fit to label this post ‘extremely important’.

I understand that they are many forms of satanism but surley the ones
that arent xian satanism or laveryian should all join together to
overall help satanists world wide.
Hail Enki

And here within I demonstrate the reason why I was booted off of the JoS under some crappy excuse about being an enemy of the JoS. I was suggesting to people that they branch out and learn about other forms of Satanism in order to cement their beliefs and just generally to learn. This proves beyond a doubt, especially because of the multitude of people replying in agreement, that the JoS is a big bunch of ignorant fools. But this is how Maxine wants her members to be; otherwise they’d be capable of realising what Satanism actually is and would see what a load of trollop the JoS is. They’re also prone to attention seeking fantasies, such as this member:

volsung_sword <garou1982@aol.com> wrote:

When I finished the opening the third eye mediations I had a flash
back to my youth.

Many time I recall feeling the pressence of greys. There would be this
intense vidration I’d feel it get closer and closer then somthing
would touch me and my whole body would shivering along with it, I
rember intense pain and headachs for days.

This occured many many times over the course of my child hood and
early to late teens.

Normally the touch would work it’s way down my chakras. It was alot
like the third eye mediatation.

Any idea what those grey fucks where doing to me?

-Russ

Right, because a race of highly advanced aliens would be SO interested in someone who can’t even spell ‘a lot’ correctly. I’ll tell you what ‘those grey fucks’ WERE ‘doing to’ you. They were probably looking for your brain and failing.

So, as you can see, there is no danger there. Leave Mad Maxine to her odd Enkist, Nazi crusades. Let everyone on the site be ignorant. It’s the least they deserve. The only reason anyone stays long at the JoS is because they’re too dumb to figure out that it’s all a load of made up, occasionally new age twoddle. So who cares if this group of toddlers is mixing up Satanism a little? They never move out to contaminate other branches of Satanism and remain enslaved within their own forums and small minds. Satanism is generally dominated by the intellectually elite. We’re better off without them.

More information on the Joy of Satan site:

These are websites that host articles and essays against the Joy of Satan. It’s interesting to see how many people have opposed this pseudo-satanic neo-Nazi group over the years.

1. Check out this site…Facts on the JOS

2. Another Great site..A satanist debunks the joy of satan

3. Yet again…Clifford Herrington [aka Maxine Dietrich’s real history]

4. NSM and JOS share the same mailbox!! Nazis Falling…

5. You wont believe…The sorrow of the JOS

6. Diane Vera on…Why Satanism and Nazism aren’t Compatable…LOL

7. Fake website to promote Enki worshipAuthored by the JOS

8. Look..False Teachings of the JOS… Exposed! By Christians..

9. Article….Former JOS member Challenging the Al-Jilwah

10. Essay:Challenging the Joy of Satan

11. Diane Vera Websites opposing the Joy of Satan and neo-Nazism in Satanism

12. Essay: The Joy of Satan (And Why You Shouldn’t Care About Them.)

13. Challenging Maxine Dietrich and her beliefs of the Jews

14. The Joy of Satan..A Cult that you should avoid

15. Magistra Ygraine on The Joy of Satan Home Deopt Ban

16. Magistra Ygraine The Worst of the Worst, Joy of Satan

17. Maxine Dietrich reported at Rip-Off Report.com

18. Johnny Lee Clary on That sex-crazed nutty Satan worshiping nazi, Andrea Herrington

19. The Temples of Satan on Arguments Against The Joy of Satan Group

20. Former Teen Satanist Challenges the Joy of Satan

21. The Refiner’s Fire Open letter to the Joy of Satan

22. Fundies! The Joy of Satan Their feeble attempt to disprove the Bible

23. Even the neo-nazis disagree with the Joy of Satan.. The National Satanists Movement

24. Why Nazism and Satanism Have nothing to do with each other

25. GM Blackwood: The Joys of Exposing the Joy of Satan

26. “Ireallyhateallofyou” Blog: Real Life Satanic Neo Nazis

27. David Icke Forum: [even hardcore conspiracy theorists think JOS is a joke] Joy of Satan Ministries

28. HP Salem Burke of the JOS Confesses to statutory Rape.. The Orange Chapter

29. Teens in Canada commit crime for the Joy of Satan Spray paint graffiti on a church.

30. Maxine Dietrich has sex with 17 year old JOS member

31. Joy of Satan is Doomed to Destroy Itself

32. GM Blackwood: Commentary on the JOS Satanic Mania

33. For Shame! The black Satanist Group Expelled from the Joy of Satan because of Race

34. All I want for Chrassmas.. Is a Satanic Hollywood Nazi

35. Maxine Dietrich at The Fundie Site

36. Diane Vera at WordPress: Archive for the ‘anti-Satanism’ Category

37. The Sitichin is Wrong Website Arguments against the teachings of Zechariah Sitchin

38. The Twelfth Planet Analysis of Sitchin

39. Challenging Antisemitism Debunking the Myths

40. Questions you Should NEVER ask The Joy of Satan Ministry

Exposing The Joy of Satan Website (AKA Pissing the Christian HungARYAN Off with FACTS)

Exposing The Joy of Satan Website

What is the Real Situation?

Since 2002 the internet Satanist organization known as the Joy Of Satan Ministries [JOS] gained a reputation of being a group of wayward and misdirected teens who are nothing more than dabblers in satanic play. Members claim that they are Satanists and they identify with neo-Nazi ideals. With the many articles available, the site seems comprehensive and full of information. This website has been praised by others for having rituals and meditations which seem to form a complete and useful system for its followers. Underneath the surface are the lies, deceit and outright plagiarism that the website owner created to build the website. [1]

The website owner of the Joy Of Satan Ministries, known as ‘High Priestess’ Maxine Dietrich, [real name, Andrea Herrington] tried to cleverly piece together a version of neo-nazi Satanism that is based on fanatic racism, anti-religious sentiment and neo-nazi fascism. Maxine fills in information for her website from whatever sources that she feels entitled to steal from. Maxine then claims that the materials for her website come from a divine source – “demons”. This lie that she perpetuates, attracts members to her websites that give her donation money to fund her lifestyle and to pay for her husband’s Neo-Nazi campaign. By scamming people through peddling plagiarized writings on the Joy of Satan site, ‘High Priestess’ Maxine Dietrich funds her lifestyle.

Over the years several authors and publishers have confronted her, but that has not seemed to stop her from stealing other writer’s works and selling them for a profit. This essay will expose the false foundation of the Joy of Satan site and hopefully bring some retribution to the many authors that have had their names slandered by this ‘satanic’ charlatan named Maxine Dietrich. [2]

Important Copyright Information:

Before we approach the subject of what copyrighted material is used on the Joy Of Satan site, we should first look at what copyright standards really are, and what constitutes ‘fair use’ of copyright materials in writing. Since Copyright law is a complex subject, provided here is a brief definition from the US copyright office website.

Copyright is the ownership of a created expression, in the form of music, writing, video, art, web sites, or other mediums. Copyright ownership technically begins at the moment that the work is created. When a creation is copyrighted by the owner it is registered with the copyright office, which then grants the creator proof of ownership of the copyrighted work. This protects the copyright owner legally, and gives them the rights of ownership that can be defended in court.

There is a way to use copyrighted material for the purpose of education or review. This is called ‘Fair Use’ of copyrighted material and this is clearly defined on the US Copyright Office website. According to the law fair use is defined as:

“quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author’s observations;..” [3]

Also according to copyright law, the fair use of the copyright material is put into in question if it does not meet certain guidelines. The majority of the writings on the Joy of Satan site do not cite the proper reference materials, according to the ‘Fair Use’ guidelines. When a writer uses material gathered from unattributed sources without permission, then subsequently compiles it with the appearance of originality and then publishes it, and sells it for profit, then it is not fair use by any means. Since this is the case, the materials and the books for sale on the Joy of Satan site are plagiarized versions of copyrighted materials.

What is the Definition of Plagiarism?

Plagiarism is something that can destroy a writer’s reputation. This is because the plagiarist intentionally uses direct passages or quotes or deceptively uses ideas or writing styles that belong to authors without properly attributing the source materials to the copyright owners. This is a misleading and dishonest practice that is intended to make the plagiarist appear as the original source of the work. [4]

What is Acceptable use?

If the material is being used for educational purposes, cited properly and not used for profit, then it would be within fair use of copyright law. Quotes or ideas that are attributed to the original author fall within the definition of fair use. Citing an author to compare or discuss ideas is appropriate. Lying, hiding source materials and claiming others ideas as your own, and selling these things for profit, is not ‘fair use’.

This essay is intended as a criticism of intentional plagiarism of books and websites by Maxine Dietrich, the owner of the Joy of Satan Ministries website. Now, let’s explore the many sources and materials that Maxine used for her websites.

Stolen Materials from Franz Bardon

Maxine Dietrich has many pages on her site that use materials written by Franz Bardon. This author was a stage magician and the son of a Christian mystic. Franz Bardon taught a method of natural magic called Hermetics which had been influenced by Eliphas levi, an ex-catholic turned occultist and Francis Barrett, an English Kabbalist. Bardon also focused on Kabalah and eastern teachings of Tantra. The book, written by Bardon titled “Initiation into Hermetics” contains two sections, one for theory and one for practice. These sections include a step-by step guide to magic empowerment that was carefully copied and integrated into the Joy of Satan website by Maxine Dietrich. [5]

Maxine’s website includes pages about balencing energies, evoking the elements, breathing, visualization, rituals, consciousness, astral travel, clairaudience, and even ‘goodhood’, which is the same program and methods created by Bardon. Unfortunately, Maxine Dietrich used the information and ideas of Franz Bardon in her web pages without giving the author any credit.

Maxine Dietrich has to hide the fact that this knowledge is borrowed. To make the information from Bardon appear more “satanic” instead of Kabbalistic or Christian, she tells people that the instructions come from a demon, “Father Satan”. Here are a few examples of the plagiarism of Franz Bardon’s books found throughout the Joy of Satan site.

Creation of Advanced Thoughtforms

On the Joy of Satan web page called “Advanced_Thoughtforms.html”, Maxine gives instruction on how to create a thoughtform. On this page are two sections of text in quotes which are a copy of instructions that are from Franz Bardon’s Hermetics. There are only a few sentences of added writing in-between on this page. At the bottom of the page is a tiny reference that says “Initiation into Hermetics” which is more of an afterthought to the last several paragraphs on the page enclosed in quotes.The joy of satan’s webpage is not a review of the authors work nor is it a discussion of the contents of the book, it is plagiarism. This webpage on thought forms is deceiving because it is made to look as if Maxine is the original author of the writings. [6]

Uncovering the Truth about Franz Bardon, and the Joy of Satan..

Maxine is unable to describe magic or the occult in her own words and from her own experience, so she uses materials from websites to fill in information on her site. The Joy of Satan page titled ‘Library.html’ begins with a large portion of text about “Frabato the Magician” that was taken from the ChaosMatrix.org website. This document, “Letter From Germany No. 1. By Frater U.’.D.’.”. from the ChaosMatrix.org site is pasted onto her website as an obvious attempt at explaining her proposed argument that ‘satan’ gave her the information that she took from Bardon.

Maxine Dietrich claims that this information from Bardon was given to Bardon by Satan, but that it was altered by the ‘Jews’. The only thing that was altered was Bardon’s original writings by Maxine Dietrich in her attempt to make ‘satanic’ materials on her websites for her followers to read. Here is a quote from ‘High Priestess’ Maxine Dietrich about the source of her materials from the “Library.html” page:

“…[the texts] were written by a man known as ‘Franz Bardon’. I asked Father Satan some time ago how Bardon came to reveal the information he did. His reply was “ME.” ” -Maxine Dietrich

Untrue statements like in the quote above, reveal some questionable things about her intellect. This behaviour of lying about source materials is typical of a plagiarist, and even more so it is a method to keep authority as a cult leader. Most members of the Joy of Satan are inexperienced, having never studied writings in the occult before. Those of us who have read magic texts will know where this information comes from, but the members of the Joy of Satan have no idea that they are being deceived.[7]

Teaching how to Invoke the Quintessence

The majority of the page titled “Quintessence.html” is a copy from “Initiation Into Hermetics”. There is one entire paragraph on this page taken from Bardon enclosed within a quote, and the rest of the page is filled in with only a few brief sentences. Other material found on the “Quintessence.html” page is a paste from an article on Wikipedia. Maxine left a notice at the top of the page, which is the only original sentence on this page, and it says :”The following excerpt was taken in some parts from “Initiation Into Hermetics” by Franz Bardon.” This is an unacceptable use of copyrighted materials when the whole web page is just a copy of text from a book, which is altered in minor ways to make it look original.

Maxine claims to have inside knowledge on these subjects, but this example illustrates the point that she lacks originality and true awareness of the things that she presents on her website. Maxine’s assertion that this information comes from satan is very contradictory, considering that it is a typical Christian belief that all occult texts and materials are satanic, or influenced by satan.[8]

Citing One Source, then Taking From Another

Maxine notes on her website that she used one source material for a page, when in reality she plagiarized from another source. On the page titled “Creating_Elementals.html” , Maxine Dietrich claims that the information from this page is from the 1956 edition of Franz Bardon “Initiation into Hermetics”. This is untrue, because some brief investigation on the net revealed a website, a psychokinesis manual that had the same word-for-word phrases and ideas that she used for this page.

The original source material page is called the “Psychokinesis Manual” from a website called PsiPog, a copyrighted work written long ago by a person named ‘Apollo’ [Chris King]. Maxine gives reference on the “Creating_Elementals.html” page for Franz Bardon, while she copied all of the materials from Chris King’s internet essay. [9]

The Real Necronomicon?

Because Maxine uses the text of other writers so that she can create pages in her website, it calls into question her credibility as an author and an occultist. In the page, “Necronomicon.html”, a large portions of text are copied from the ‘1586’ version of the Necronomicon. Maxine Dietrich claims that the 1586 version of the John Dee Necronomicon is the original work of satan. Here is a quote from The Joy of Satan site about Maxine’s knowledge of the history of the Necronomicon:

“[the Necronomicon] was authored by Dr. John Dee, you know, the man who brought us the Enochian calls.” – Maxine Dietrich[10]

The ‘facts’ about this book that she wrote on her page are incorrect. The Necronomicon originated as a fictional story created by H.P. Lovecraft in the 20th century. This shows her inexperience and lack of knowledge about the origins of her own source material.

Paragraphs of text are pasted from this book with no indication of where this material is taken from, or where the quote begins or ends. On this page is a link to the 1586 copy of the book, in PDF version. This PDF is from the Sacredmagick.com library, but the book is actually hosted at the Joy Of Satan website. This violates the user agreement of Sacredmagick.com which states that the materials from the site may not be hosted anywhere else but at the Sacredmagick.com site. The use of writing from authors for the purpose of review or discussion of those materials would have been considered fair use, but her method is to use other author’s works to build entire pages for her website. [11]

Materials that Were Sourced from the Web

The Wingmakers Forum
Maxine took entire portions of text from a forum called the Wingmakers to create her page, “Thoughtform.htm”. The Wingmakers Forum is not on the net anymore, but searches at the internet archives revealed several essays that were stolen from the author named ‘DrPiglove’ on the Wingmaker’s forum. The writings on this page were changed slightly from the original materials on the forum.

Another page that she plagiarized from is a post called ‘Sex Magick’ by DrPiglove on the Wingmakers website. She used this material to make the “Sex_Magic.htm” page. Also, information from the Wingmakers site was used for the joy of satan “Hypnosis.html” page. These pages were integrated into the Joy of Satan website and disguised as instruction, when in reality this material is plagiarized from an internet forum, and contains no original content.[12] Maxine keeps her readers interest by providing them with instructions of other authors works, while she claims to be the original author. It makes her look good, makes her money and she fools everyone into thinking that she has power and authority.

Maxine Deitrich’s Star Magick Lists:

Maxine claims to have knowledge on astrology. On the Joy of Satan page, “Star_Magick.html” there is a list, which is cut-and-paste text from a website called BeMyAstrologer.com. This website has been on the net since 2002. She used this information from the BeMyAstrologer page for references on what she calls ‘star magic’. Then she told her website readers that the information and instruction came from Satan. Apparently she feels that it is alright to take materials from people’s websites without their permission or knowledge, and lie to her readers to hide the fact that she is a plagiarist. [13] None of the material on the joy of Satan ‘Star_Magick” page is original, and there is no citations of the original authors.

The Self-Hypnosis Definitions:
Maxine Dietrich also used definitions from writers in her website without giving credit to any of these sources. On the ‘Determining_Trance.html’ page, which is a manual for self-hypnosis, Maxine copied the definition for ‘catalepsy’ from a website. Also pasted onto this page about Trance is a quote from the ‘David-Husband Scales’, a manual for determining states of hypnosis. These sources that she has used are not cited anywhere on this web page. It’s a shame because there is no credit given to any of the original authors of this information.[14] That leaves her own credibility in question.

Joy of Satan Chakra Breathing Ideas:
The ideas for the Joy of Satan Chakra breathing exercises were developed from a page on the net called Dragon Alchemy. This page “Breathing666.htm” is a basic re-write of these exercises from the Dragon Alchemy site. The Dragon Alchemy site has been on the net since 2003, and they appear to be the original author of these ideas that Maxine copied and used for her website page on chakra breathing. [15] In fact, the original material from the Dragon Alchemy website was not intended for satanism, but she took the liberty to add her satanic information to the page to make it look ‘satanic’, and therefore useful to the visitors of her site. She has used this same formula with all of the authors that she has stolen from.

Brain Wave Information:
The Joy of Satan “Brainwaves.html” meditation page was created from a Christian prayer site called “Brain Waves and DNA, by W.E.B.” This site has been on the net since 2003. Maxine Dietrich took the information from this Christian site and changed it slightly to try and create a satanic meditation for her website. Of course, Maxine gives no indication on where she got this information on “Brainwaves” from. [16] Her website readers certainly wouldnt want to discover that she is getting her information from a christian website.

Other Authors Frequently Plagiarized

Anton LaVey and the Satanic Bible, Plagiarized

Searches of older, archived versions of the Joy of Satan site reveal that Maxine used the writings of Anton LaVey’s “The Satanic Bible” and “The Satanic Rituals”. Many of those pages have either been removed or changed over the years, most likely in response to blatant criticism of theft and plagiarism.

Maxine used the materials from “The Satanic Bible”, while she called Anton LaVey a ‘Jew who defaced the Enochian Keys’. There are nineteen Enochian keys in the Satanic Bible which Maxine claims are ‘bastardized’ versions of demonic works. Each key of the Satanic Bible is copied into her website and changed slightly, with absolutely no credit to the author or the source on all nineteen pages. To fill in information about the Enochian language page, Maxine scraped content from a Enochian Dictionary website on the net. [17]

The Joy of Satan page, titled “Rituals_html” is an obvious plagiarism of the Ritual in the Satanic Bible. It is called the Standard Satanic ritual, and the methods and invocation are nearly identical to the invocation to Satan in the Satanic Bible. Of course she tells her readers not to read the Satanic bible, while she takes rituals from them to create pages on her site. She obviously has no experience in Satanic ritual if she can not describe what a ritual is, in her own words. [ ]

Maxine Dietrich also copied line for line into the pages of her website a major portion of the Satanic Rituals, called the Al-Jilwah. This part of the Satanic Bible is not in the public domain. The Al-Jilwah is a document which the members of the Joy of Satan believe was authored by what they call, “satan”.[18] She also reacted to LaVey in a malicious way on her website, while at the same time she used rituals and writings from his books. She also has treated other authors in the same manner, once it is revealed that she has stolen from their writings. Then she ‘corrects’ the writings, adding to it, and tells her readers that the information was given to her by satan.

Richard Cavendish, The Black Arts

On several pages of her site Maxine Dietrich uses material from the Richard Cavendish book, “The Black Arts”. On the Joy of Satan page, “Herbs.html”, which is a page on the use of herbs in magic, there is a list of herbs created from stolen content found on the internet. There is an article on that page for ‘mandrake root’ on the Joy of Satan page, a direct copy of the same definition given in “the black arts”. Unfortunately for her, there are no sources cited on this page. It is most likely that the information on this page about herbs is a gathered list from many other sources. She wants people to think that she is knowledgeable in occultism, but she is only deceiving her readers. Writing is deceptive when it is not cited, and when it is compiled into a list made to look like an original work.[19]

Extensive Plagiarism of Stephen Arroyo

Found in the Satanic Power Meditations Page “Evoking_Elements.html” are materials from the book “Psychology and the Four Elements” by Stephen Arroyo. There are five pages on the Joy of Satan site which focus on Elemental Invocation, and Maxine uses many passages from this book on each of these page. The true sources on these Joy of Satan pages are never cited. [20] Stephen Arroyo is a professional writer for Llewellyn.

The Complete Book of Spells, Copied

An archived version of “demonolatry.html”, found on the Joy of Satan website, is a page with an invocation and blessing to Satan. The origin of this material is a copied verse sourced from this book, “The Complete Book of Spells, Ceremonies and Magic” By Migene Gonzolez-Wippler. This page is no longer available on the site, as the owners of the material most likely discovered the plagiarism and had requested to have the materials removed from the Joy of Satan website.. [21]

The Satanic Emerald Tablets of Thoth

The Joy of Satan site has a ‘satanic’ version of the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, found on the “Tablet_One.html” page. On this page, Maxine adapts the work by changing verses to try and tries to assert in her writings that the ‘demon’ Thoth is giving her this knowledge. The original book of Thoth can be found at the Scribd website. Unfortunately the use of this material from the Scribd site, externally hosted on another site without permission, violates their copyright and user terms. [22]

Stolen Writing from Donald Tyson

Maxine’s knowledge on demons was created by other authors. On the Joy of Satan page, titled ‘Daemons.html’, the definitions of the word ‘Demon’ are plagiarized from the occultist Donald Tyson, an author published by Llewellyn. [20] Several phrases from Tyson, pasted into her site are never cited, nor is any reference whatsoever given at the end of the article. Further down the page, there is another phrase lifted from the Virginia Tech history department web page on ‘Demons’. Maxine has to grab materials from websites to make others think that she knows what demons are. [23] Unfortunately many have went to her website for advice on demons, but the materials that she presents are not her own.

Plagiarism of Astrology Authors, Judy Collins and Linda Goodman

Maxine Dietrich obviously wants everyone to think that she is smart. But, she is not smart enough. Time after time, phrases searched from her website can be found in other searches on the net, mostly from books, revealing the sources that she copied word for word onto her webpages. One of these sources is her Astrology page, “How to Read a Natal Chart”. This entire page is a copy from Judy Collins, ASA Education Director and her essay ‘Delineating a Chart ‘, approximately dating from 2005.[24] Maxine needed a professional astrologer’s writings to help sell her very expensive computer-generated astrology readings.

Another page at the Joy of Satan that is a work of plagiarism, is the “Star_Magick.html” page, copied from professional astrologer Linda Goodman. She copied the list of star signs and their meanings in exact phrases from Linda Goodman’s personal website forum. The Forum is no longer on the internet but the information at Linda’s site had been available since 2002. There is no indication of the source of Maxine’s references from Linda Goodman, at the “Star_magick.html” page. copying the work of another author, and then claiming it as her own is identical to theft, especially since she sells this information in books at her webiste. [25]

Plagiarism of Frater UD, High Magic in Theory and Practice

Another page that Maxine created through plagiarism, is the “Magic_Mirror.Html” page. This page tells how to make and use a magic mirror. While some of this information can be found in general occult references, Maxine took almost direct word for word phrases from the Frater UD book. High Magic in Theory and Practice to create her page. She then added minimal instruction on how to use the the mirror for Demons. She gives no references to where she got this information from, so her website members are left to assume that ‘satan’ taught her these things. What really happened is that she copied it all from the Frater UD book. High Magic in Theory and Practice, published by Llewellyn. [26] What is interesting is that through the internet archive search, the ‘Magic Mirror’ page did not appear until 2007, while she has a copyright notice on this page dating from 2002! She lies about when her pages on the internet were created.

Plagiarism of DJ Conway

The plagiarist Joy of Satan page, “aura_colors.html” was taken almost word for word, in the same sequence from the book by DJ Conway, “A little book of Candle Magic” Each description of color was slightly changed with her ‘satanic’ information added. the entire section of this book describing candle colors was copied into her website, one after the other. The Little Book of Candle Magic is published by Crossing Press 2004. [27]

The Joy of Satan web page, titled “Incense for Ritual” was plagiarized liberally from DJ Conways’ book, Magick of the Gods and Goddesses, published by Llewellyn in 1997. Each listing of planetary incense on this page is almost identical to DJ Conway’s book. While some of this information in Conway’s book is common to the occult, Maxine copied his lists almost word for word and gave no references on her page as to where the information had come from. [28]

Archived References, now Removed

The brotherhood of the snake is a web page at the joy of Satan site. This page was inspired by several different authors. After a few years, the page was re-written, but the source notes were removed. These sources were, The Gods of Eden by William Bramley, The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life, and a 2001 illustration of the Book of the Dead. It is interesting to study the page that was created in 2005, that contained references, and compare it to the new page that now has no references and was carefully re-worded. essentially it is a work of plagiarism, similar to the other pages that have been described in this essay. The archived page shows the original authors that were copied, word for word. In the notes below this essay, is a link to the archived page as it has appeared in 2002.[29]

Theft of Ideas from Aaron Donahue

Maxine Dietrich of the Joy of Satan Ministries uses other authors’ ideas and then ridicules the original authors by saying that the knowledge came from ‘satan’. It is said by some former members of the Joy of Satan that the ritual for “Freeing the Demons” on the JOS site is an imitation of the ideas and works of Aaron Donahue. On her forum she denies these accusations that her ideas come from Donahue, while claiming to have invented the idea herself. Here is a quote from the Joy of Satan Yahoo Group:

“[Donahue]..is also a liar. He claimed to have freed the Goetic Demons, which he did not. He claimed to have freed Andras from the confines of a nine-foot circle “because he was so dangerous.” – Maxine Dietrich[30]

Maxine has failed to prove in any way that she was the originator of this concept, considering that Aaron Donahue and others have written about the concept before Maxine Dietrich had.

Zechariah Sitchin, others

Maxine also took some of her cosmology and eclectic beliefs from authors like the Jewish Scholar, Zechariah Sitchin. While Sitichin was a Jewish scholar she conveniently avoids this fact and claims that his writings show the truth of her brand of Satanism. She is very contradictory in preaching against Judaism, and then using the words of a Jewish scholar to promote her ideas. Also, Maxine makes available an illegal version of the Lost Book of Enki, scanned and transferred into a PDF. This copyrighted work is not in the public domain, and as a PDF file it is an illegal distribution of Sitchin’s writings. Essentially, it defrauds the writer and publisher from sales money when people like Maxine scan, distribute and make these copyrighted writings available for free.

Maxine also makes available PDF copies of other authors works. For example, at their Yahoo group, an illegal pdf scan of Mastering Witchcraft by Paul Huson is available. Also available is the an illegal sacan of Willam Bramley The Gods of Eden, The Necronomicon Spellbook Edited by Simon, illegal pdf scan of The 12th Planet by Zechariah Sitchin, Journeys out of the Body by Robert Monroe, and others whom she feels entitled to make free to the public despite the laws that prohibit the copying and distribution of copyrighted work.

Maxine also promotes ideas of neo-nazi beliefs from using material from books such as “the White Man’s Bible” by Ben Klassen. Maxine portrays herself as a prophet of Satan’s knowledge, claiming that all of her information comes from demons, like “Thoth; “Satan” and “Azazel”, when the real source of this information are various authors and internet sources. If Maxine really had experience in the occult, or with Satanism, she would not have to steal writings and ideas from other writers. [31]

Fact: Maxine is a Known Plagiarist.

Maxine’s underhanded behaviours have not gone unnoticed. Beginning in 2002, Maxine copied from writers, and had been caught several times by book publishers who made her remove the materials from her website. She had several incidents with authors and book publishers who made her remove information from the Joy Of Satan site. Maxine had compiled information from the author Valerie V. Hunt, and her book, “Mind Mastery Meditations” in order to fill in a page on her website called “Scalar Wave Meditations”. When Malibu Publishing discovered this, the meditations and materials plagiarized from that book were immediately removed. Despite this, the copied ‘Scalar Wave Meditation’ is still published by the Joy of Satan in their “Spiritual Warfare hand book”.

Maxine “borrowed” the majority of her information about chakras, auras and kundalini from the largest occult and pagan book publishers, Llewellyn. This material came from a book written by Douglas DeLong, titled “Ancient Teachings for Beginners”. The publishers were notified and Maxine heavily revised the material on her site, but still uses the same concepts and systems without giving any credit to Llewellyn or DeLong. The author threatened to sue Maxine, and she subsequently agreed to remove the information from the site. Instead, she let time pass, the pages at the joy of Satan were reworded, and the ideas of DeLong were not removed. When confronted about the change in information on her site by her own group members, she deceitfully told them that the corrected information came to her from Satan! [32]

Authors Delong and Valerie Hunt have made Maxine Dietrich a lot of money over the years. Maxine reads a passage in a book and then interprets it into her website, in a deceptive way, to make her web pages seem instructional and original, when they are nothing but re-written ideas of other authors, carefully reworded without refrerences. Many of her readers are attempting to do the exercises on her page. They would be better off reading the original books, rather than taking it from a secondary source like Maxine.

The kundalini section of her website was written into books and are being sold at the website for a profit, violating the copyright of Llewellyn, Malibu Publishing, Valerie Hunt, and Douglas DeLong. Both Hunt’s and Delong’s writings can be purchased at the Joy of Satan Site, carefully re-written in Maxine’s words, and hidden from internet searches inside PDF’s and books that she sells, despite the fact that she has been previously warned by both the authors, and the publishers, to stop plagiarizing these writings.

Copyrights and Ownership: The Joy Of Satan Site.

The majority of the web pages on the Joy Of Satan site have a copyright notice with a library of congress number. Maxine obviously does not want people to copy the writings on the Joy of Satan website. This notice is pasted on almost every page on the site:

“- Copyright 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, Joy Of Satan Ministries; Library of Congress Number: 12-16457 ” – Joy Of Satan site

Research at the Library of Congress shows that there is no reference found for the number’12-16457′, which is the same number that Maxine pasted on many pages of her site. The JOS website materials are not on record with the library of congress since 2002, or a record of this could easily be found through the search page at the LOC. Obviously, Maxine does not know much about the copyright law or the proper use of copyright notices. The extensive plagiarism on the Joy of Satan website proves that even if Maxine did want to apply for a real copyright, she would be denied, if not pursued legally, immediately, for numerous violations. [33]

In Fact, Archived Versions of this website that go back to 2002, show how the majority of her writings were taken from the Linda Goodman forum, as she had several pages of astrology information before the ‘Joy of Satan’ formed in 2005. This means that any copyrights that she tries to claim on her writings from 2002 are certainly false, and the ‘Joy of Satan’ web page, and writings, never existed prior to 2005. View the entire Archive

Donation Money, Funding of the NSFM:

Andrea [Maxine] owns a web site, called “The Black Sun” [31] where she writes web pages on Antisemitism and hate, and lectures on anti-Christianity. The racist and racial ideals of the Joy Of Satan were created after Maxine met a man named Clifford Herrington. Herrington is the former leader of the “National Socialist Movement” [NSM], an organization for Neo-Nazi activists. The majority of the members of the NSM are Christian, and Herrington got thrown out of the organization in July of 2006, when they discovered that he shared the same post office box as the Joy Of Satan. Clifford Herrington created a new group, the “National Socialist Freedom Movement” [NSFM]. [34]

The NSFM is a legal tax-paying organization. Both Maxine and her husband promote their twisted ideals to teenagers and others who are unwitting enough to send them money via donations on the web sites, and from book and cd sales. The compromised religious organization she runs shares its address with a neo-nazi organization, while both organizations are being used as a front to secure donation money. [35]

There is evidence from ex-Joy of Satan members that she uses the money from donations to pay her bills and to fund her own personal needs. Maxine also went on a luxurious vacation with the money that she raised from her websites. Here is a quote from the Joy of Satan Yahoo group where Maxine tells the members how she claimed to spend her vacation in Vegas, and trips to several different national cities while she stayed in 5-star hotels.[36]

“The past week and a half, Father Satan rewarded me with a most pleasant vacation to several different cities and national parks. I was indulged to an extreme. Part of my family invited me and we had an awesome time… I was able to get to only two internet cafes where I could get online, the last one in Las Vegas and it was crowded…”- Maxine Dietrich[37]

In 2005, some of the ex-members of the Joy of Satan left the group because they felt that Maxine was misappropriating funds by paying her bills and vacationing with the donation money. Her plagiarist writings paid for her housing, her bills and her vacations.

Conclusion:

This web page establishes the fact that Maxine Dietrich cannot claim copyright on the majority of the writings on her websites, because they are plagiarized writings.This page was created for educational purposes, to expose the source materials of this pseudo-satanic neo-nazi organization.

Overall, the Joy of Satan site seems promising to so many new seekers of occult and Satanism. it appeals to this audience because the ideas in the website were taken from professional authors. Maxine misleads people by making them think that she is knowledgeable about the occult, so that she can collect money for her neo-nazi organization. Not even one bit of effort was given to reveal the sources of her material. Its more convenient for her to hide this, so that the members of her group trust in her self-proclaimed authority. This accounts for the popularity of her website. People like the sources and techniques that she writes about, but they do not realize that the majority of it is cut and pasted from other authors. If the joy of satan techniques are so good, as some have claimed it to be, then maybe her readers would be better off reading the original source materials, instead.

Also, accounting for the popularity of the joy of Satan, is the fact that the website appeals to a certain demographic. The young, disaffected and uninformed. These types have no idea that they are being fed lies and mis-information and they take what the website owner writes on faith, instead of using their own minds to decide what is right for them. Why should they bother to research any of the sources used at this site when the site owner proclaims with authority that the original authors of these ideas and writings are ‘liars’, while she takes their words and uses them as her own? She uses a typical method of religious revisionism as she attempts to use all of these sources to create her version of history, despite the many historical facts that prove otherwise.

HS

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32. ibid. see above; Also, the “Spritual Warfare Handbook” contains the plagairzed material from Douglas DeLong, and Valerie Hunt – and this publication is still available from the joy of Satan site in PDF form. [ http://www.geocities.com/enkicaimisis/home.html ] and [ http://www.geocities.com/enkicaimisis/Documents/SpiritualWarfareTrainingProgramforSatanists.zip ]

33. [Joy of Satan Copyright number, not found in the LOC search, accessed 10.7.08]
http://catalog.loc.gov/ Library of Congress Online Catalog Search
[ Library of Congress Number: 12-16457]

34.[The Black Sun, Joy of Satan Site, accessed 10.1.08] http://www.666blacksun.com/

35. [The history of the NSM, accessed 10.1.08]
http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_in_america_updates/groups/national
_socialist_movement/national+socialist+movement_update_10052006.htm

36.[Information about this can be found at the SIJOS forum, accessed 10.1.08]
http://z13.invisionfree.com/SIJOS/index.php?showtopic=109

37. Quote from the Joy_of_Satan Yahoo Group Message 76175 Mon Mar 20, 2006 Maxine Dietrich
[Some of the members of the yahoo group left when it was found out that money was being used for
Maxine’s own personal needs. “I am aware that the former clergy..leaving because HP
[Maxine was] using donations for paying her electricity and water bills..
[Joy_of_Satan Yahoo Group, ‘Angel’ <strykingrneyez@…>Sun May 22, 2005”, message 54661]

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High Hitler! Hitler the JUNKIE.

HITLER THE JUNKIE,

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Did You Know… That Adolf Hitler Was A Drug-Junkie?

An X-ray copy of Adolf Hitler’s skull and a sketch of Adolf Hitler’s deviated septum, which are part of the cache of medical documents on the Nazi leader given to U.S. Military Intelligence and now on the auction block have proved that Adolf Hitler was a coke head, doped up on 28 medications while suffering from “uncontrollable flatulence.”
It’s the revelation of a whole other side to the Nazi dictator, whose condition was revealed in medical documents now up for grabs online from Alexander Historical Auctions of Stamford, Conn.
Yep people, Adolf Hitler was a drug-addict, constantly high on cocaine. Now a lot of his actions make sense, don’t they?

Make sense? Nope! There’s people running amok these days high on coke and they’re not out mass murdering hundreds of thousands of people due to drugs alone. Hitler was a fucking full blown psychopath, a sick cowardly bastard, a pervert misogynistic POS that made one woman commit suicide (his half-niece Geli whom he was in love with) and his own mistress tried several times, a fraud, a narcissist and that’s just the tip of the deformed iceberg that made up this defective “thing” that the world as we know it hates. He was so fond of animals that he killed Blondie, the German Shepherd he gave to Eva after one of her suicide attempts (due to Hitler’s behavior), because he needed to use the poor dog to test the cyanide pills on before he and Eva could use them to cowardly off themselves. YES, Hitler, the man who did test on animals tested on his very own dogs with his own medications prescribed by his dear friend and trusted doctor. So sweet. Hitler — Fucked up mentally unhinged junkie psycho.

 

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Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:32 am

I decided to pick at random some of the many statements on the Joy of Satan website. I analyzed these statements and presented evidence contrary to what they teach. Keep in mind I did not try to debate their philosophical points, because we are all entitled to believe in whatever philosophy we choose. Here are some things to ponder before you become a Neo-Nazi Satanist (btw…thats so fucking edgy).

“Spiritual Satanism does not in any way conflict with science. We strongly encourage and support all scientific knowledge and enquiry.”

Yes it does. Several of the claims on the JoS website about the origin’s of life on earth and Etc. directly conflict with scientific knowledge as will be shown. Furthermore, science has nothing to say about the existence of “Satan.” Science does not say Satan is real or not real, therefore in regards to Satan, science does not conflict with nor support the belief therein. Thus, there is literally no reason to mention science in regards to a personal belief in Satan.

Satan is the Sumerian God known as “EA” or “ENKI.” He is a GOD, not an angel!
The Gods are an extra-terrestrial humanoid race of beings. In the Christian bible, they are referred to as the “Nephilim.” These beings are very evolved, highly advanced, and immensely knowledgable and powerful. They genetically modified their DNA, so they do not age.

If you want to believe that Ea is Enki is Satan, thats fine. We could debate the finer points, but I’ll let you have this one and just say “sure. why not.” I want you to consider instead the statement about the Nephilim being “Gods” who “genetically modified their DNA, so they do not age.” You’re free to believe in the ancient alien theory, but lets remember that they said “nothing about spiritual satanism conflicts with science.” So, does science say that the nephilim were gods (aliens) that came to the earth? Of course not. There is literally 0 evidence for anything like this except for ancient stories told by primitive man, and that is not evidence. So what does science say about the Nephilim? The Nephilim of Genesis were Neanderthals. Yup. Not as exciting as DNA mutating alien gods…but thats the reality of it. Check out this episode with archeologist Simcha Jacobovici. He explains and shows that the Nephilim in Genesis were ancient Neanderthals who, of course, did not mutate their DNA nor do they live forever. He shows all this using science rather than personal beliefs, unlike the JoS.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1237712 (im sure you can find the episode on YouTube or the Piratebay…doubt you’ll look though ;) ) Again, you’re free to think that there were ancient alien gods who mutated their own DNA so that they could live forever, and that the Bible called them the “Nephilim,” but if you do that you are lying when claiming “Spiritual Satanism does not in any way conflict with science.”

Many of us have seen him, we have witnessed the so-called supernatural, and we have been given abilities way beyond that of the average person.

The first error in this statement is claiming that they have witnessed the “supernatural.” Our world is a natural world. We are natural beings living within a very natural world. Supernatural means “beyond the natural.” If something supernatural occured in our natural world, we as natural beings would not even be aware of it…because the event would literally be beyond our natural senses – hence “beyond the natural.” So no. Neither they, nor anyone else, could experience something “supernatural.” The second mistake, of course, is claiming that they have been given abilities “way beyond that of the average person.” I assume these are “supernatural” abilities, right? No wait, I already showed that they couldn’t possibly have supernatural abilities…so maybe just psychic or “paranormal” abilities then? If this is the case, I challenge the JoS leading ministers to demonstrate their “above average” abilities. After all, science is about proving or disproving something, right? And you all love science so much. James Randi is offering 1 million $$$ to anyone who can demonstrate any type of paranormal or psychic ability. So why not take him up on his challenge? He will pay for your flight and hotel arrangements, costing you nothing out of pocket. Besides, with your crazy paranormal powers it will be the easiest million $$$ you will ever make, right? So why not? And please dont say “No. Thats not how it works. Its not about money.” Because then I’ll have to ask, “Then why do you have a store on your website?” Heres the link. Let us all know when you have set up a meeting with Mr. Randi. – http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

As opposed to hysterical Christian claims, Satanism is not in any way about blood sacrifice.

Except when you are dedicating yourself to Satan and sacrificing your life and soul to him, right? In English we call this a “contradiction.” In science I’m pretty sure this is called “bullshit.” See below.

When you are ready, you can light the candle. Take the needle,prick the index finger of your left hand, squeeze some blood out.
Satan dictated the Al Jilwah directly to Yezidi prophet Sheik Adi in the 12th century.

The Al Jilwah has a lot of good things to say in regards to Sinister Philosophy. But it was literally dictated by Satan himself? Are you sure? Check this out: “Then Adam ate of the grain and immediately his belly was inflated. But Melek Ts drove him out of the garden, and leaving him, ascended into heaven. Now Adam was troubled because his belly was inflated, for he had no outlet. God therefore sent a bird to him which pecked at his anus and made an outlet, and Adam was relieved.” So Satan is claiming that humans have an asshole because a bird pecked at his rear-end? And here I thought Satan was all-knowing? You’d think Satan would know about evolution. Oh but this is a metaphoric story, right? Then how do you know the rest of the book isn’t metaphoric, or even that “dictated by Satan” isn’t metaphoric? By the way…the bird pecking and creating the anus directly conflicts with science…so I caught you at that lie again:P

I was going to write this whole big lecture of why Nazism has nothing to do with Satanism, but I decided it wasn’t needed. So heres the claim I’ll make: Hitler was a Christian, and if you want to follow in his footsteps, then you should become a Christian. If you pranced around Nazi Germany claiming to be a Satanist you would have been gassed right along with the Jews. And now some quotes!

“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”

[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

“….the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil
assumes the living shape of the Jew.”

[Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 11, precisely echoing
Martin Luther’s teachings]

“Today Christians … stand at the head of [this country]… I pledge
that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy
Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian
spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in
literature, in the theater, and in the press – in short, we want to
burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole
life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past …
(few) years.”

[The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford
University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:41 am

I haven’t read this piece yet,but will after replying.

Why reply before reading you may ask?

The title,that’s why.

JOS is a Neo Nazi cult masquerading as a legitimate organisation.We do not support nor give the oxygen of publicity to them here on OF.org,if at all possible.
Our site policy has strict rules in regard to hate groups and their ideologies and we act on these,unequivocably and without exception.

I’m putting this here so all and any readers are made aware that this is so,even though having read our rules and that by agreeing to them on sign up,they should already be informed that we do not tolerate any kind of bigotry or hate speech/groups.

Post that shit,get kicked.Permanent.No exceptions.

I’ve written a lot of posts about this group here,as have other members.This tends to come up from time to time as folk who are starting out find information about them and come here to enquire further.

I’m quite glad they do this,actually, as we can help educate on why JOS is dangerous to those who are drawn to it in ignorance of it’s reality.

Having said all this,now I’m going to read before commenting any further.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:03 pm

Ah.

Keep in mind I did not try to debate their philosophical points, because we are all entitled to believe in whatever philosophy we choose.

You’ve said this at the start,then proceeded to do just what you claimed you would not.

Is this a debunk of JOS or a debunk of Spiritual Satansism as a whole,because most of it reads as the latter and not the former?

The fact that JOS is Neo Nazi is quite far down the page and it’s only given a small nod,yet in my mind and the mind of so many others who know of these arse holes or who have experience of them previously,it’s by far and away the most immediate point to consider in regard to debunking them as a Religious group.
This is an important consideration and distinction to make,particularly as a belief in Spiritual Satanism of and in itself is not in any way inherently or otherwise dangerous to any person and JOS is by far not the only group or site or individual which espouses [ in JOS’s case claims/pretends to espouse…] Spiritual ,Religious and/or Philosophical beliefs about or in regard to Satan.

You may or may not get responses to this post,but if you do and they are antagonistic towards what you’ve written it will most likely be because of your stance on the philosophical/religious views of Spiritual Satanism in general and not because of Neo Nazism within a Spiritual group. You have also broadly painted all Spirituality regarding Satanism into one small corner and labelled it according to JOS viewpoints on it,which is grossly innacurate and incredibly unfair.

Also,this part of your statement,quoted below, could apply equally to anybody holding any kind of what you’ve termed ‘supernatural’ beliefs and not just to Satanism/JOS.

I feel this bears pointing out,as while we value individuality and acknowledge a wide variety of beliefs and disbeliefs on the forum we do not recognise. endorse,validate or otherwise uphold any one belief set above the others as being more true or correct and that includes Atheistic mindsets too.

The first error in this statement is claiming that they have witnessed the “supernatural.” Our world is a natural world. We are natural beings living within a very natural world. Supernatural means “beyond the natural.” If something supernatural occured in our natural world, we as natural beings would not even be aware of it…because the event would literally be beyond our natural senses – hence “beyond the natural.” So no. Neither they, nor anyone else, could experience something “supernatural.” The second mistake, of course, is claiming that they have been given abilities “way beyond that of the average person.” I assume these are “supernatural” abilities, right? No wait, I already showed that they couldn’t possibly have supernatural abilities…so maybe just psychic or “paranormal” abilities then? If this is the case, I challenge the JoS leading ministers to demonstrate their “above average” abilities. After all, science is about proving or disproving something, right? And you all love science so much. James Randi is offering 1 million $$$ to anyone who can demonstrate any type of paranormal or psychic ability. So why not take him up on his challenge? He will pay for your flight and hotel arrangements, costing you nothing out of pocket. Besides, with your crazy paranormal powers it will be the easiest million $$$ you will ever make, right? So why not? And please dont say “No. Thats not how it works. Its not about money.” Because then I’ll have to ask, “Then why do you have a store on your website?” Heres the link. Let us all know when you have set up a meeting with Mr. Randi. – http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

Enki as Satan is also not the only form of deification of Satan,or expression of Satan as an individual entity,so this is also a broad stroke of inclusion,which does not apply to all Spiritual or indeed Theistic Satanism any more than JOS speaks for all Spiritual and/or Theistic Satanists.

Just saying.

And here’s a handy exposition on JOS Spiritual/Ritual practices,written from a dissenting, yet still Theistic Satanist’s viewpoint,for some balance. [Diane Vera is ex JOS clergy so the view is one which is perhaps particularly relevant here] :

http://theisticsatanism.com/Demons/JoS.html

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Rin » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:53 pm

The first error in this statement is claiming that they have witnessed the “supernatural.” Our world is a natural world. We are natural beings living within a very natural world. Supernatural means “beyond the natural.” If something supernatural occured in our natural world, we as natural beings would not even be aware of it…because the event would literally be beyond our natural senses – hence “beyond the natural.” So no. Neither they, nor anyone else, could experience something “supernatural.” The second mistake, of course, is claiming that they have been given abilities “way beyond that of the average person.” I assume these are “supernatural” abilities, right? No wait, I already showed that they couldn’t possibly have supernatural abilities…so maybe just psychic or “paranormal” abilities then? If this is the case, I challenge the JoS leading ministers to demonstrate their “above average” abilities. After all, science is about proving or disproving something, right? And you all love science so much. James Randi is offering 1 million $$$ to anyone who can demonstrate any type of paranormal or psychic ability. So why not take him up on his challenge? He will pay for your flight and hotel arrangements, costing you nothing out of pocket. Besides, with your crazy paranormal powers it will be the easiest million $$$ you will ever make, right? So why not? And please dont say “No. Thats not how it works. Its not about money.” Because then I’ll have to ask, “Then why do you have a store on your website?” Heres the link. Let us all know when you have set up a meeting with Mr. Randi. – http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

I’m certainly not a fan of JOS, but this whole ‘well if they have supernormal abilities, why haven’t they cashed in the randi challenge yet?’ argument is a silly one. Randi is a hack, and his challenge isn’t about scientific inquiry into what is and isn’t possible (especially given that he’s an entertainer, not a scientist) but about boosting his own reputation and income by latching onto the fame of well known “TV psychics” and similarly fraudulent entertainers. There are a lot of facts that stand as proof of this, not the least among them the fact that Randi will only accept participants who already have some measure of fame and has refused many unknowns, or that he requires them to sign a contract which not only allows him to set and change the requirements for ‘success,’ but allows him to explain or frame the events in any way he chooses with no legal recourse for the participant. I can’t be bothered with a more detailed write up of how meaningless Randi’s challenge is, but here’s one written by a blogger:

Related Post: Can You Win Randi’s Million Dollar Challenge?

To get on a blog and tell people you are psychic is to have skeptics immediately invite you to take magician James Randi’s million dollar challenge. Rather than reply to every comment of that sort that comes through, I’ve set up this page to deal with this subject. I will demonstrate here that there is no reason to take this challenge seriously. Oh, and by the way, James Randi is a climate change denier. (I think this says a lot about his frame of mind.)

First of all, the challenge is meaningless by scientific standards. It’s not a study and it can’t be replicated. It’s a one off. As it is entirely controlled by one person who has no scientific experience, is known to have strong views and has published no scientific peer reviewed papers on the subject, The challenge carries no scientific weight whatsoever.

Compare that to the Parapsychological Association, which is a member of the The American Association for the Advancement of Science and regularly publishes peer reviewed studies. Here is what real evidence looks like.

By far the most damning evidence that this challenge is a mere publicity stunt is that Randi does not take all comers.

He has explicitly refused to test homeopath John Benneth (who has issued a $100,000 challenge to any person who can demonstrate, under conditions similar to James “the Amazing” Randi’s Psychic Challenge, that the Psychic Challenge is a valid offer for proof of psychic powers.), Professor George Vithoulkas’s homeopathy experiments similarly never got tested and backed down from a challenge issued by Dr. Jule Eisenbud, who wagered $100K that Randi could not duplicate the “thought photography” of Ted Serios, even with the aid of a prop in which a gimmick could be housed. Randi has ignored challenges to the test such as English psychic Chris Robinson. Dick Bierman, PhD proposed a presentiment test to Randi which Randi simply never followed up on. This brings up a legitimate question: who else is he ignoring?

By doing this, the main claim of the challenge, -that no one can pass it and therefore psychic ability does not exist- is voided and any tenuous claims to being scientific are invalidated.

Skeptics seem to think that this challenge means something; that if psychic ability were real, someone would pass the test. This assumption rests on the belief that this challenge is reasonable and fairly administered. But where is the proof of this? Science demands openness. A parapsychological study run like Randi’s challenge would never get out of the gate.

John Benneth, (homeopath) points out that the challenge is not an actual contract, lacks third party mediation and in his words:

Randi has expressly told me that he will not deal with attorneys. As an instrument, its unilateral. Like a fiat from the King, or a papal bull. It gives the applicant no recourse in case Randi harms him; in fact, the applicant has to forego any rights of recompense if Randi harms him.
But the biggest thing is that Randi’s signature has never appeared underneath it. It’s a hoax. It was conceived of by an entertainer, a man who has made a career deceiving and tricking people, a particularly nasty little man who has a grudge to bear against the world, revealed in the animosity routinely shown towards applicants.
How is it that one can expect to have an AGREEMENT with someone who is calling you derogatory names, ridiculing and CHALLENGING you?

He has a point actually. The Daily Grail points out that Rules #4 (allowing Randi to use the data from the experiment in any way he chooses and #8 (denying the applicant legal recourse), when combined allow Randi the option to lie about the results and get away with it.

John Benneth went back and forth in 70 e-mails with Randi. The Vithoulkas experiment process dragged on for two two years, the Zibarov process dragged on for two years, Carina Landin, went through a 3 year process. Only one of these actually came to down to an actual test and that one was botched.

For that matter, how many people have actually gone down to Florida to take the challenge? Randi’s website is decidedly vague on this point. Why is this information missing?

After doing a bit of research on the JREF site, I found out some interesting things. First, many applicants have no clue how to put their abilities up to a scientific test. Once they start in on the process, many drop out. The fact is, performing a psychic ability for a scientific test is much harder than it first appears. They also find out an extra requirement not stated up front: There is a time limit for the preliminary challenge: eight hours.

This time limit is quite a barrier to success. It prevents people from building up statistical significance through sheer repetition, which is how it’s done in every scientific study. Most parapsychological studies do not test for more than a couple of hours at a time, having found that psychic ability wanes quickly as mental exhaustion sets in. There is no reason for the time limit since the applicant is paying all expenses. In fact, in the case that I studied, the number of repetitions was limited. What this means is that psychic ability is not being tested. Extraordinary psychic ability is being tested. This distinction is important. You cannot make claims about psychic ability if you’re testing for something else.

In the case of Pavel Ziborov he had gotten all the way through the process, having agreed to 100 repetitions within the eight hour time limit only to have Randi come back and limit his challenge to 20 repetitions, thereby violating his own protocol and ensuring that nothing less than near total perfection could pass the challenge. No explanation was given for this change which Mr. Ziborov wisely refused. On the JREF site it is simply noted that the challenger had refused to accept the protocol. In other words, Mr. Ziborov’s attempt was cast in the worst possible light. (Mr. Ziborov has posted his response to JREF in the comments below.)

Randi has also claimed that once the parameters are set, neither he nor anyone else can change them, yet it was done here. How is that? Simple. Randi NEVER accepted the application. Mr. Ziborov was going back and forth with JREF for almost two years and in that time he was never formally declared an applicant. It appears that this a loophole in the process that has been exploited to prevent legal challenges to his methods. If nothing is signed, there is no contract and the person applying has no legal means to force a reasonable challenge. It appears that when James Randi talks about the fairness of the challenge, he is referring to accepted applicants, who can only achieve this status by agreeing to absolutely everything Randi demands whether it is reasonable or not.

When I went through the forum postings for the Ziborov challenge, I noted that he was referred to as a “woo.” This is an abbreviation of woo woo. In other words, the challenger was being insulted. Throughout the discussion, other posters on the forum make it clear that they do not believe that he has this talent; effectively saying that he is either a liar, con artist or deluded. These are the people responsible for setting up the challenge and possibly administering it. The bias is clearly strong.

This is extremely important because another undocumented “feature” of the challenge is that the applicant may not bring anyone in either for moral support or to assist or monitor the challenge. There is no way to prevent JREF errors or mischief during the testing. Because the people administering the test are JREF volunteers and are self selected for being strongly skeptical of psi, (they are volunteering their time to a skeptical organization after all,) the chance of errors due to cognitive dissonance and inexperience are actually quite high and there is nothing to prevent them from either covering up any mistakes or simply not catch them at all. JREF is under no obligation to publish a full account of the test nor make good on any JREF errors in the event they occur and are discovered.

There is also the fact that an extremely important bit of information that is lacking. You cannot find it in the FAQ, nor on the application, nor does Mr. Randi talk about it. There is no way that withholding of this information is anything but deliberate. The way this challenge is currently set up, it is in my opinion, a trap designed to disgrace and humiliate the people who take up the challenge.

To easily understand this, let us take the analogy of Mr. Smith’s jumping challenge. Mr. Smith does not believe that the ability to jump actually exists and he has a million dollar challenge to anyone who can prove to him that jumping exists under laboratory conditions. You have to apply for the challenge and bear all travel expenses to Mr. Smith’s facilities. You can help design the experiment and everything will be measured with complete accuracy.

So what’s wrong? If you can jump you should take the challenge right? By now, you should notice what’s missing. There is nothing in the previous statement about how high you have to jump. Wouldn’t you want to know this before you applied for the challenge? Because if the height you have to jump is unreasonable, there is certainly no point in applying. Misdirection has been applied here by confusing the requirements with the testing procedures.

But how can you do this with psi? If someone makes a claim, all they have to do is live up to it right? The answer is that parapsychology is a science that relies on statistics. It is well known that psychic ability is not automatic. People get some answers right and some wrong and statistics must be used to determine if this occurred due to chance or not.

All statistical measurements of psi ability can therefore be expressed as odds against chance. All you have to do is set up a test where the exact odds for chance are known. (i.e. picking the correct picture out of a set of four yields a 25% chance outcome with odds against chance for one trial at 1 in 4.) Certainly JREF would never allow a test where this sort of computation couldn’t be done, nor should they. Statistical certainty is essential for determining success.

So if James Randi wanted to tell people what his requirements were, all he would have to do is tell them what odds against chance he would accept for someone to claim the million dollar prize. He could use words like “approximately” to indicate that there was some flexibility. There is nothing vague or complicated about this, yet this is not mentioned at all even though the challenge application and FAQ were recently re-written to address a number of valid complaints.

Why does he leave out this crucial bit of information? Because it allows Randi to work behind the scenes to make the challenge as difficult as possible. It is well known within scientific circles that the odds against chance that James Randi will accept are 1,000 to 1 for the preliminary challenge and 1,000,000 to 1 for the main challenge. The odds for the main challenge are the equivalent of asking a person to stand under a 20′ high wall and jump over it. And if their foot brushes the top? That’s a failure; too bad, so sad, get lost.

You can’t find this out of course until after you’ve applied. While psychics can, conceivably overcome odds of a thousand to one, it’s extremely doubtful that they can do this under both the pressure of performing, in the presence of extreme skeptics, within eight hours and having their number of trials arbitrarily limited. It is a worse case scenario for demonstrating psychic ability. Beating 1,000,000 to one odds is completely out of the question. Bear in mind that should a psychic show a sudden flash of great ability, they may be asked to repeat it, further worsening the odds. Randi makes no attempt to explain these details, he only paints the applicants in the worst possible light.

Until as recently as the end of 2007, applicants were required to give up all publicity and media rights as a requirement for applying. So not only were they screwed, they were not allowed to talk about it. This is kind of like the sideshow at the carnival where people are promised that they will see something wonderful, but when shown the empty box are advised not to tell anyone else lest they be the only fool. Until very recently, he did not even show the list of applicants. At every step of the way he appears to be seeking to withhold information about the difficulty of the challenge.

This is one more way in which the scientific validity of the challenge is nil. Proving that people cannot jump over a 20ft wall does not prove anything about jumping except that people cannot jump that high. It makes no statement about any ability under that threshold. If a person can only jump six inches, that is still jumping. The same applies to psychic ability.

It is possible for scientists to achieve 1,000,000 to 1 odds, this has been done many times, but only through a great number of repetitions, which is how this sort of science is normally done. Taking time away from the real science to travel to Florida in order to perform in front of die hard skeptics isn’t really high on their priority list. The expense of such an endeavor would likely use up a large chunk of the prize money so as to make the challenge unappealing. Psychic ability has already been proven, so it’s only about shutting Randi up.

But the expense and obstacles of the challenge do not make it an attractive proposition. A scientist would have to front all of the money for the challenge and stands a chance of running out before they get to their goal. They would likely have to do this in the face of Mr. Randi doing everything in his power to prevent their success, since that would mean the end of whatever fame he possesses from the challenge and his skepticism. This would undoubtedly add to their expense. Of course it’s all moot since he ignores them anyway.

In conclusion, there is no reason to take this challenge seriously. It’s not science. The illusion of the Great Test is only maintained through selectively culling applicants, making the process opaque and rigging the odds. Its only possible purpose can be to harass and humiliate people who do not share Mr. Randi’s beliefs.

I’ll leave you with a comment one of Randi’s own volunteers made on a thread discussing an applicant who had been denied (here #468):

I realize that there is almost no interest in holding Randi and the MDC to the standards that they claim for themselves. I’ve always been in a ridiculed minority when I make these suggestions. It is clear that the Challenge is not about allowing people to demonstrate their claims, but rather about providing examples for our ridicule – partly for education, partly for group-bonding (my guesses). I am in the process of moving on from the idea of trying to persuade anyone to care to that of trying to get the JREF and Randi to be more upfront about this instead, in order to thwart criticism. I fully realize that this will be a futile effort as well. I also continue to tell people to quit smoking. (…)

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:30 pm

Randi is a hack, and his challenge isn’t about scientific inquiry into what is and isn’t possible (especially given that he’s an entertainer, not a scientist)

You know there are other challenges like Randi’s all over the world right? They can’t all be biased and “UN-winnable” –http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:42 pm

Nahemah wrote:Ah.

You’ve said this at the start,then proceeded to do just what you claimed you would not.

I questioned the teachings of the JoS that related to science and rationality. I didn’t say that, for instance, “oh satan isnt real! i dont agree with your spiritual views so hahaha youre wrong!”

Is this a debunk of JOS or a debunk of Spiritual Satansism as a whole,because most of it reads as the latter and not the former?

I addressed spiritual satanism as it is taught by the JoS. Everything quoted about spiritual satanism was quoted from the JoS, not diane vera or anyone else.

The fact that JOS is Neo Nazi is quite far down the page and it’s only given a small nod,yet in my mind and the mind of so many others who know of these arse holes or who have experience of them previously,it’s by far and away the most immediate point to consider in regard to debunking them as a Religious group.
This is an important consideration and distinction to make,particularly as a belief in Spiritual Satanism of and in itself is not in any way inherently or otherwise dangerous to any person and JOS is by far not the only group or site or individual which espouses [ in JOS’s case claims/pretends to espouse…] Spiritual ,Religious and/or Philosophical beliefs about or in regard to Satan.

I know. I figured everyone knew they were neo-nazis so kicking a dead horse would be kicking a dead horse. If people agree with the JoS after knowing they are neo-nazis, then the best thing to do is make them re-consider their teachings that are not directly related to neo-nazism.

You may or may not get responses to this post,but if you do and they are antagonistic towards what you’ve written it will most likely be because of your stance on the philosophical/religious views of Spiritual Satanism in general and not because of Neo Nazism within a Spiritual group. You have also broadly painted all Spirituality regarding Satanism into one small corner and labelled it according to JOS viewpoints on it,which is grossly innacurate and incredibly unfair.

My post was about the JoS, therefore I addressed the JoS. I didnt make any mention of any other teachers or styles of spiritual satanism. I dont think that I even used the phrase “spiritual satanism” once in my entire post.

Also,this part of your statement,quoted below, could apply equally to anybody holding any kind of what you’ve termed ‘supernatural’ beliefs and not just to Satanism/JOS.

You’re right. If you were claiming to have been given “supernatural powers that the average person does not have” by aliens…then I’d ask you to prove it too :P

I feel this bears pointing out,as while we value individuality and acknowledge a wide variety of beliefs and disbeliefs on the forum we do not recognise. endorse,validate or otherwise uphold any one belief set above the others as being more true or correct and that includes Atheistic mindsets too.[/quote
Atheism is the lack of a belief in a god. Atheism does not have a stance regarding the supernatural. I dont think asking for proof of a claim someone makes is an “Atheistic mindset.” If i went around saying, “Im jesus christ and aliens give me super-powers so come follow me and join my cult!” I would hope you’d ask for proof of my supernatural claims before getting baptized by me.

Enki as Satan is also not the only form of deification of Satan,or expression of Satan as an individual entity,so this is also a broad stroke of inclusion,which does not apply to all Spiritual or indeed Theistic Satanism any more than JOS speaks for all Spiritual and/or Theistic Satanists.

The JoS believe that Enki is Ea who is Satan. I didn’t debate that or say it was wrong. The statement did not relate to science or rationality – it is a matter of philosophical belief, and I left it alone like I said I would.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Rin » Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:49 am

AIN666 wrote:

Randi is a hack, and his challenge isn’t about scientific inquiry into what is and isn’t possible (especially given that he’s an entertainer, not a scientist)

You know there are other challenges like Randi’s all over the world right? They can’t all be biased and “UN-winnable” –http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal

And on the flip side there’s extensive, albeit frequently ignored, scientific evidence for paranormal abilities.

http://noetic.org/research/psi-research/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew
http://www.amazon.com/The-Conscious-Uni … 0061778990

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:36 am

And on the flip side there’s extensive, albeit frequently ignored, scientific evidence for paranormal abilities.

http://noetic.org/research/psi-research/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew
http://www.amazon.com/The-Conscious-Uni … 0061778990

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Well said. I agree fully and subscribe to the idea of the paranormal. The difference between you, I, and the JoS is that we aren’t claiming to have supernatural powers given to us by aliens as proof of the correctness of our teachings. If someone were to say, “I can move objects with my mind, therefore, you should believe everything I say” I would hope you’d want proof before you blindly believe everything they say and just take their word on it xD

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Rin » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:28 am

AIN666 wrote:

And on the flip side there’s extensive, albeit frequently ignored, scientific evidence for paranormal abilities.

http://noetic.org/research/psi-research/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew
http://www.amazon.com/The-Conscious-Uni … 0061778990

Well said. I agree fully and subscribe to the idea of the paranormal. The difference between you, I, and the JoS is that we aren’t claiming to have supernatural powers given to us by aliens as proof of the correctness of our teachings. If someone were to say, “I can move objects with my mind, therefore, you should believe everything I say” I would hope you’d want proof before you blindly believe everything they say and just take their word on it xD

Yeah I agree with you there, even if they do have these abilities (and I’m rather skeptical on that count), to paraphrase a Yogi who’s name I can’t remember, someone using paranormal abilities isn’t proof of anything except that they possess paranormal abilities. It doesn’t inherently make their philosophy or worldview any more valid.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:33 pm

Before I say anything else,I ‘m sorry for the forthcoming dickishness,but here it is anyway:

AIN,you missed the point I was making about JOS masquerading as a Spiritual organisation,the masquerading part is very important and it relates to why I posted Ms,Vera’s account of JOS bad practice regarding evocation,summoning and pacting.

The spiritual stuff is a ruse to suck folk in,just like the other religiosities employed by various Neo Nazi groups in engaging with and encouraging dissafected folk into their groups and into their mindsets.

If you’d addressed that more instead of attempting to debunk them using bad science and poor etymology for that matter also, to disenfranchise their bad attempt at spirituality, you’d be on much surer ground.

The only other species of humans hinted at in the Bible are the infamous Nephilim (Gen. 6:4, Num 13:32-33), a race of giants “as tall as cedar trees” (Amos 2:9) who were the offspring of the ever-mysterious “sons of God.” The Bible says that, to the Nephilim, the early Jews looked as small as grasshoppers (and were just as tasty).

Some people try to link the Nephilim to the Neanderthals, but the Neanderthals were no giants, averaging just over 5′ tall. So unless the early Jews were elves, this doesn’t compute.

http://500questions.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/23-why-doesnt-the-bible-mention-neanderthals/

The above page is tongue in cheek,but it does cover several of the flaws in the Nephilim/Neanderthal hypothesis you posted about.I can bring the hard genetic science,but I’ll do it later,if I must as I now have to watch the episode you posted about,even though I will not recover the time I feel I’m about to waste doing so.

On the etymology: Super does not mean beyond,from it’s original Latin it means over or above and the term was originally posited as a means of describing Godly or Divine interaction with the mortal world.

supernatural (adj.) Look up supernatural at Dictionary.com
early 15c. “above nature, transcending nature, belonging to a higher realm,” from Medieval Latin supernaturalis “above or beyond nature,” from Latin super “above” (see super-) + natura “nature” (see nature). Originally with more of a religious sense, “of or given by God, divine; heavenly;” association with ghosts, etc., has predominated since c.1799.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=supernatural&searchmode=none

And natural was originally coined to describe inborn or inherent human traits:

natural (adj.) Look up natural at Dictionary.com
c.1300, naturel, “of one’s inborn character; hereditary, by birth;” early 14c. as “of the world of nature (especially as opposed to man),” from Old French naturel “of nature, conforming to nature; by birth,” and directly from Latin naturalis “by birth, according to nature,” from natura “nature” (see nature).From late 15c. as “not miraculous, in conformity with nature.” Meaning “easy, free from affectation” is attested from c.1600. Of things, “not artificially created,” c.1600. As a euphemism for “illegitimate, bastard” (of children), it is first recorded c.1400, on notion of blood kinship (but not legal status).Natural science is from late 14c.; natural law is from early 15c. Natural order “apparent order in nature” is from 1690s. Natural childbirth first attested 1933. Natural life, usually in reference to the duration of life, is from late 15c. Natural history is from 1560s (see history). To die of natural causes is from 1570s.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=natural

Another flaw in the natural argument is that we live surrounded by technology and inventions which can easily be defined as unnatural or ‘super’ natural,if using your own narrow definiton.

I didn’t really want to post more here,but using flawed rationality to disprove flawed rationality dosen’t work and if anything it makes it easier for those who support such heinous views as those held by JOS to counter argue in their own favour and I’d rather not give them that edge.

End of dickishness,for now.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:58 pm

I enjoy your insights :) ❤ And respect your opinions.

Some people try to link the Nephilim to the Neanderthals, but the Neanderthals were no giants, averaging just over 5′ tall. So unless the early Jews were elves, this doesn’t compute.

My reference includes a world-famous archeologist. Your’s…a guy on the internet with a free wordpress site. ❤

1000s of years ago, people were not as tall as they are now. Goliath is called a “giant”…his name is synonymous with very tall people. And in his time, he likely was a “giant.” But he was only about 6’2”. In our time, that isnt exactly gigantic, right? http://www.examiner.com/article/david-a … as-goliath The video I gave shows that the Neanderthals were the “nephilim” of genesis.

On the etymology: Super does not mean beyond,from it’s original Latin it means over or above and the term was originally posited as a means of describing Godly or Divine interaction with the mortal world.

O.o Super – above/beyond. Yes. However, “natural” in the context of “supernatural” is not “natural” in the context of a human beings “born with abilities.” Natural means the processes and laws of nature, in the term “supernatural.” So yeah…not sure what your argument is for my questioning of their claim to “supernatural” abilities. Here is the word actually defined. Especially note #3…which backs up my claim of “if something supernatural occurred, we are natural beings wouldnt even be aware of it.”
Adjective

supernatural (comparative more supernatural, superlative most supernatural)

1. Above nature; that which is beyond or added to nature, often so considered because it is given by a deity or some force beyond that which humans are born with. In Roman Catholic theology, sanctifying grace is considered to be a supernatural addition to human nature.
2. Not of the usual; not natural; altered by forces that are not understood fully if at all.
3. Neither visible nor measurable.

End of dickishness,for now.

Im not here to argue with spiritual satanists who took my post about the JoS personally. I didnt post this to make you feel as though you had to defend your beliefs. I didnt mention any type of Satanism outside of the JoS. If you arent a JoS member im not sure why you would take it to heart. I can clearly argue my points over and over if we must, but it seems as annoying a spam. Care to agree to disagree? [rolleyes]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Asurendra » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:46 am

I am not entering into this doctrinal disputation, I only want to make a point about the identification of the Biblical Nephilim with Neanderthals. If you accept the Biblical narrative the problem with this claim is that it makes man older than the Neanderthal. Modern humans began roughly 200,000 years ago while the first Neanderthals were 600,000. These dates are the current consensus.

About the size of these Nephilim: I went and took my Greek Septuagint and my Latin Vulgate from the shelf and blew the dust off then looked at Genesis 6:4. The same work ‘gigantes’ is used and this means the same as our word in English. The Bible itself makes it clear that these giants were not suppose to be just a foot taller than man. The proof of that is Og of Bashan (whom the Jewish Midrash says was the last of the Nephilim). The text gives the measurements of his bed in Deut. 3:11 as roughly 13 foot. Further, when the spies first entered Canaan they claimed the giants were still and they felt “like grasshoppers” in comparison (Num. 13:1-14). I would point out that the spies were lying and were punished for it, but, the point is that they were using the accepted belief of the Hebrews regarding what a giant is, being much more than just a foot taller.

Nahemah’s points on this matter are fully supported by the Biblical text. The size of Goliath is not relevant because he was not one of the Nephilim in either the text itself or, so far as I am aware, in Jewish tradition (for what that’s worth).

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:47 pm

In Layman’s terms,a very reader friendly guide [grin] :

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals

In not so Layman friendly terms:

http://www.genetics.org/content/156/2/799.full

http://www.pnas.org/content/96/13/7117.long

Please read these and ask questions later,if you wish to. [thumbup]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Asurendra » Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:35 am

While I don’t believe it, a far better Biblical-based argument for the place of the Neanderthal in the scriptures would be drawn from the exile of Cain in Genesis chapter four.

Since AIN666 likes Latin, I’ll quote the Vulgate:

In 4:14 after he is told to get out, Cain tells Yahweh “omnis igitur qui invenerit me occidet me” (all those who find me will kill me) leading to the famous question: ‘I thought only 4, now 3 people existed! Who are these people?’ There must have been a lot of these mystery people because, 4:16 “habitavit in terra profugus ad orientalem” (he lived in a land to the east -after leaving) and then 4:17 “aedificavit civitatem” (he built a city). In the Hebrew text the word for city is ‘Iyr,’ which is a settlement much larger than a ‘kfar,’ or town and which has walls. So it clearly implies there were many of these non-adamic people.

The Jewish Midrash says Cain & Able had sisters and these people come from them but that is rather unsatisfying in both time and number.

In reality, it is just a contradiction between different narratives and a flaw, but the dogmatically oriented can have fun with it and argue he interbred with the Neanderthals, who were already there and older (conforming to current belief) while the first homo sapiens were a special creation.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby thestudyingalchemist » Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:50 pm

Well there’s something I never understood…
How can a satanist be a neo-nazi?!?
I mean nazism is completely fascist, homophobe, sexist, racist and do not respect any indivual choice of anyone and just take control over people….
But satanism is exactly at the opposite of this so please can someone explain how it is possible??? I never believed that it was possible and I know that JoS are using some concepts and symbols using by the nazi (well not a lot anyway) but does it mean that they are neo-nazi because I mean the ideology is incompatible….

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:08 pm

Political and Religous Ideologies cross over all the time and the two are not mutually exclusive of each other by any means.

It is quite possible to be Satanist and Neo-Nazi,just as it is to be Christian and Neo-Nazi or Asatru and Neo-Nazi,for that matter also.

It is also possible to hold other religious beliefs that are compatible with Nazi ideology too.

Racism,bigotry,homophobia,misogyny and social elitism are,unfortunately,present in all walks of life and humanity.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby thestudyingalchemist » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:42 pm

Nahemah wrote:Political and Religous Ideologies cross over all the time and the two are not mutually exclusive of each other by any means.

It is quite possible to be Satanist and Neo-Nazi,just as it is to be Christian and Neo-Nazi or Asatru and Neo-Nazi,for that matter also.

It is also possible to hold other religious beliefs that are compatible with Nazi ideology too.

Racism,bigotry,homophobia,misogyny and social elitism are,unfortunately,present in all walks of life and humanity.

Yeah I understand that but it is just so different that if a satanist claim himself being a neo-nazi he’s not a satanist anymore, I mean there can be common points you can had but not to combine nazism with satanism it’s just not satanism anymore…

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Asurendra » Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:18 am

Ain666 seems to have left the Forum, otherwise I am sure he would be happy to engage you in long and intricate doctrinal analysis akin to the Pharisaical disputations between the Calvinist and Arminian sects over such matters as Predestination.
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:14 pm

Nahemah, I totally applaud what your stance on the JOKE of Satan website, and I personally will rather go to the proper sources instead of visiting that Neo Nazi site run by someone who is Half Native American!!! [zomg] [zomg] [zomg]
The final straw was there views on Hell and the Afterlife where that idiotwoman claims to of met a VIP spirit who was well protected by Father Satan (LOL), and there is no prizes in guessing who he is! He was none other than Heinreich HImmler who is one of her idols LOL. Full of lies and garbage is what that bitch is about but what really needs to be done is having her face exposed to all and sundry.
I feel the Laveyan approach is needed with this Neo Nazi cult, we need to avoid mentioning them because if we do we just give them astral power. And another thing, THE ANGELS are more powerful than any ‘father’ satan who must be just a demon cos the Real Satan will not waste time with her.
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:59 pm

Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Maxine got attacked by her lovely NeoNazis cos this is the only way she will learn the REAL TRUTH. By the way I do not endorse violence of any kind but she is someone who deserves it and I know some people know exactly who she is and they will expose her ugly face to everyone, so that we can see the most strangest Neo Nazi there is. Another thing, those medidations do more harm than good and please go the the proper sources instead and read up on the Diana Vera webpage. Oh I wish more info was on there, and I support her more than the old Nazi Hag. Maybe she must of been in Germany in her previous life and she is hankering for that life, but just for the record the real Satan will not waste time with her, he would rather spend time with Lady Gaga or President Obama instead [zomg]
A good link to readhttp://web.archive.org/web/201001132018 … edietrich/
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby thestudyingalchemist » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:38 am

Honestly it really freaks me out that a neo-nazi group claim themselves satanist… No but seriously isn’t there enough stereotypes about satanism?! I still don’t understand how can a neonazi group claim themselves satanist it seems just so contradictive I mean. But anyway I’m very surprise that they are caus just by looking at their main pages it doesn’t seem that they are nazis (but surelly antisémitic)… But I guess that thats how they slowly manipulate people. Before this post the only thing that really made me doubt about them was first that they are very neutral when talking about nazism, example in one of their text about “the origin of satanism”, I mean they usualy accused the religions about stolling elements but about nazis they just said in this case “the most known example is the nazi germanic sigil” or something like that. Of course they were other examples like their symbologies explaination with the nazi “skull and bones” and the “black sun” wich is also an element from the nazi occultism. It really disapoint me anyway…

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:58 pm

I am going to confess to something here, I actually go to the JoS website for ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES only, and that woman is making me laugh a lot. Another thing I will say is that I feel kind of sorry for her in some ways but honestly she needs to have her photo etc shown to all and sundry on the Internet LOL.
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:45 pm

Here is one link to show all and sundry what the JoS stands for, and there are some people in FB who knows exactly what she looks like etc and will show all and sundry her photograph and detail on the net. A neo nazi who is of mixed race like Maxine make me laugh a lot! but reading more about what the JoS is making me avoid that site for good. I do not give a shit if she is ‘knowledgable’ etc, all she is to me is Nazi scum and what is disturbing is that she is mind controlling teens and youngsters into her way of thinking. [mad]

This is what the JoS endorses

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/holo.html

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:41 am

Something else for you all to look into, and this is what the Joke of Satan claims never existed because they are just bastards acting all tough behind a computer monitor. I will go to other websites for my entertainment and in some ways the JoS website is on par with those filthy Conspricarcy sites which tend to attract many Neo Nazis, etc.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso … ictoc.html

Look at this website and then ask yourself where the Holocaust happened or not, but I have heard that this ‘woman’ has a lot of youngsters being made into High Priests etc because they are easy to mind control. I would rather go to Diana Vera or Caroline Bright’s website instead, because the energies are better and as for Maxine, her days of acting the big ‘I am’ is finished. BITCH!!! I would pay good money for her to say all these things on a TV show in front of an audience which incld jews, blacks, and other PROPER Occultists but she will not cos she is just a hasbeen with an internet connection. Oh and another thing, Himmler would put her first in the queue for the gas chambers cos she is not totally white. A disgrace to the Native Americans is she. [mad]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:14 am

Asurendra wrote:Ain666 seems to have left the Forum, otherwise I am sure he would be happy to engage you in long and intricate doctrinal analysis akin to the Pharisaical disputations between the Calvinist and Arminian sects over such matters as Predestination.

*Armenian

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Asurendra » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:20 am

Armenian?

Wrong, please note:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arminianism

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby AIN666 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:36 am

Asurendra wrote:Armenian?

Wrong, please note:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arminianism

“Arminianism is based on the theological ideas of the previously Dutch Reformed theologian Jacobus Arminius (1560–1609) and his historic supporters known as the Remonstrants. His teachings, however, departed from the Sovereign Grace teaching of the Reformers and as such he cannot be regarded as Reformed. Jacobus Arminius (Jacobus Hermanszoon) was a student of Beza (successor of Calvin) at the Theological University of Geneva. It is known as a soteriological sect of Protestant Christianity.[1] Dutch Arminianism was originally articulated in the Remonstrance (1610), a theological statement signed by 45 ministers and submitted to the States-General of the Netherlands. The Synod of Dort (1618–19) was called by the States General to consider the Five Articles of Remonstrance. They asserted that:

election (and condemnation on the day of judgment) was conditioned by the rational faith or nonfaith of man;
the Atonement, while qualitatively adequate for all men, is efficacious only for the man of faith;
unaided by the Holy Spirit, no person is able to respond to God’s will;
grace is resistible; and
believers are able to resist sin but are not beyond the possibility of falling from grace.”

Stop following the thread when jimmies started getting rustled, so I’m not sure what that has to do with the “hurr durr I love Hitler and Satan” of JoS, unless the thread has turned into something else [thumbup]

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Parvati » Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:10 pm

Ain, I understand where you are coming from and believe it or not, I too was once an avid reader of the site before I found out that the Old Hag was married to the Ex Leader of the NSM Clifford Herrington. Just a few days ago I found out that visiting that site (some blogs do this!) will put extra coins in the pockets of those bastards and those donations pay for their bills, groceries, and also the NeoNazi cause. I do not fund fascists, and I do not give a damn who knowledgable they claim they are in matters of Medidation, Demon Evocation, and so on.
Maxine Dietrich may have the aura that she is well written but remember all those articles on her website are copy/paste jobs from Llewllyn books, bemyastrologer.com, Franz Bardon, etc and please under no circumstances do those medidations because they are more harmful than good.
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Debunking the Joy of Satan: An Alternative Perspective

Postby mmlozza » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:32 am

I know this thread dried out a while ago but I have some views I’d like to add….

I’ve been trying to find my own path for a while now, and a lot of the stuff regarding Spiritual Satanism on this site makes sense to me. I’ve looked into stuff by Anton La Vey and Don Webb, and most things Left Hand Path-related. Everyone has their own individual take on the type of deities they are worshipping. I dedicated my soul to Satan the other day, but I didn’t use candles and I didn’t sign my name in blood, precisely for the reason given on the site that said blood sacrifices aren’t needed. A lot of the information is contradictory given the evidence that others have presented, but how many of us have the answers to everything? If everyone’s truth is subjective, they can only present it as they have found it: when they reach a certain point of initiation they then, as most organisations seem to advocate, try to pass their teachings onto others to “spread the word” and “enlighten people”. In my opinion, what matters is what you take from the collection of knowledge that’s out there and how it makes you feel. People can postulate about death, reincarnation and rebirth and all that stuff til they’re blue in the face, but it’s an individual experience and we’ll never truly know until we die. I now believe Satan is the creator god because most of what I’ve read marries up and answers questions in my mind about the Christian god, and what the alternative is. I’m happy with this and feel no need to question it further. Truth is what you make of it, and everyone’s is different. If you get to the end of your life and it turns out you were wrong, well, you’ll surely deal with it then.
I have found a path that fits with my view of the world, and I now intend to follow it (Spiritual Satanism, not JoS. I am not a JoS member.) I’m still struggling to put myself into a trance as the only time for true peace and quiet is after midnight, but I’ll get there. I have to! I respect the views of everyone on this site and welcome opposition to what I’ve said. We’re all trying to find our way, people will disagree and agree with what is said, some more strongly than others, but it doesn’t mean we’re any less or more wrong or right.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby oldspirit » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:16 pm

“Hitler was a christian and if you were a satanist you would be gassed like the jews” you had me all the way up to this point.

Have you ever heard of Martin Bormann, The Third Reich Leader in 1933 and the man who took Rudolph Hess spot as the Head of the Party Chancellery.
Or what about the Anti-Church Campaign that Borrman, Himmler, and Rosenberg (all high ranking SS officers) pushed, this would NOT have happend without Hitlers approval.
I dont care what he said in his speeches about being a christian, he was not one and neither was any top authority in the Nazi Party

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby oldspirit » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:18 pm

Parvati wrote:Ain, I understand where you are coming from and believe it or not, I too was once an avid reader of the site before I found out that the Old Hag was married to the Ex Leader of the NSM Clifford Herrington. Just a few days ago I found out that visiting that site (some blogs do this!) will put extra coins in the pockets of those bastards and those donations pay for their bills, groceries, and also the NeoNazi cause. I do not fund fascists, and I do not give a damn who knowledgable they claim they are in matters of Medidation, Demon Evocation, and so on.
Maxine Dietrich may have the aura that she is well written but remember all those articles on her website are copy/paste jobs from Llewllyn books, bemyastrologer.com, Franz Bardon, etc and please under no circumstances do those medidations because they are more harmful than good.

No Way! im with you on that. Any group that wants to restrict freedoms or civil liberties i want no part of. Her website seemed very sincere and informative, then i watched some of her you tube videos and felt nothing but hate, anger, rage, and negative energy. That cant be healthy or good for a spiritual awakening.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby JonChang » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:23 pm

oldspirit wrote:

Parvati wrote:Ain, I understand where you are coming from and believe it or not, I too was once an avid reader of the site before I found out that the Old Hag was married to the Ex Leader of the NSM Clifford Herrington. Just a few days ago I found out that visiting that site (some blogs do this!) will put extra coins in the pockets of those bastards and those donations pay for their bills, groceries, and also the NeoNazi cause. I do not fund fascists, and I do not give a damn who knowledgable they claim they are in matters of Medidation, Demon Evocation, and so on.
Maxine Dietrich may have the aura that she is well written but remember all those articles on her website are copy/paste jobs from Llewllyn books, bemyastrologer.com, Franz Bardon, etc and please under no circumstances do those medidations because they are more harmful than good.

No Way! im with you on that. Any group that wants to restrict freedoms or civil liberties i want no part of. Her website seemed very sincere and informative, then i watched some of her you tube videos and felt nothing but hate, anger, rage, and negative energy. That cant be healthy or good for a spiritual awakening.

If someone were to curse you, wouldn’t you be angry at them lol? Or you believe in all that new age “love, we’re all one” BS?

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:32 pm

I thought I was banned, but I suppose my suspension was cancelled.

When I was younger I felt like I had to oppose both Christianity and modern Satanism. Modern “Satanists” were non-religious and, most of the times, uneducated leftists using several names (like “Azazel”) without even taking the time to read the books these names were derived from. They keep praising Azazel, whilst the book of Enoch, from whence the name of this demon was drawn, states that Satan will be punishing the sinners who left their celestial place as… common sinners. They are not treated by the LORD, the One called Satan and the Devil, as His angels are. He will be torturing them for ages and ages, amen.

Anyway, because of this blind ignorance of the neo-satanists, I was acting as if I was a Nazist just to provoke them back then. They have taboos, you see, even though they claim Satanism is about not having any taboos whatsoever, they have taboos against the scapegoats of this age (Nazism wouldn’t be so bad to consider if the Soviet Union and America hadn’t won, would it?), and one of them is the taboo against Nazism. If you are an individualist, why would you care if someone hates some kinds of people? (Although Nazism is not really about hatred)

So, I ended up feeling I was agreeing with J.o.S. (although I didn’t really know J.o.S. itself yet). In the end, I had a destructive argument with the “Satanists” of J.o.S. I was communicating with, even though they seemed to agree with me at the beginning. Why? Because of their stupidity and the disturbing fact that they mix up occultism and Satanism with politics. So, I came to the conclusion that I wasn’t a Nazist after all, I just wanted to oppose everyone who was mixing politics with Satanism, including the ones mixing feminism, homosexuality and anti-racism with it. So, in the end, I had trouble (well, the trouble was theirs to handle, since I prevailed) with the nationalist “Satanists” as well.

Ok. Of course the stuff about “aliens” etcetera is purely stupid, but back then they didn’t make so stupid statements, so I never opposed them because of that.

And, just to get this straight, I have no problem with Nazism. In fact, I do believe in the difference of psychology according to one’s race, and I don’t have any problem with someone hating a race or a part of people just because of their ideology, I’m just stating that Satanism has nothing to do with politics, and both the atheistic and the theistic and the so called “traditional Satanists” do mess up with politics. So, for me, they are just opportunists and not Satanists. This whole thing is more intense in my mind now that I have a personal conflict with Azazel (he seems to be waiting for me to be weak enough in order to drain energy from me, no matter how many times I exorcise him in the Name of Satan).

For a Satanist is the one who praises the LORD, the Wicked One of the Bible. Period.

During my last conflict with Azazel he won because of the pills I had consumed which caused me not to be able to speak fluently and use my energy to banish him, but “I shall see him at Philippi”…

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby EternalReturn » Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:08 pm

I would like to know if you’re from Europe?

It’s because I am and I’ve heard from older people about horrors of Nazi rule, and it is definitely something to have a problem with. Have you seen the film Schindler’s List? One of the co-creators was a Croatian man Branko Lustig who has felt, seen and was in the midst of the events, and a lot of things that you can see in the movie are real situations which came from Lustig’s experience. If you haven’t I recommend it.

edit: I will not continue this discussion because I know that this is a path to a fuckin’ abbys

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:49 pm

thought I was banned, but I suppose my suspension was cancelled.

Nope,there was no ban or suspension on your account that I’m aware of.

I can’t see any mod notes regarding this either.

Why did you think you were banned?

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:09 pm

Nahemah wrote:

thought I was banned, but I suppose my suspension was cancelled.

Nope,there was no ban or suspension on your account that I’m aware of.

I can’t see any mod notes regarding this either.

Why did you think you were banned?

Every time I was trying to log in I read I cannot do it for I am suspended because of spam and giving false information about myself. Something like that.

EternalReturn wrote:I would like to know if you’re from Europe?

It’s because I am and I’ve heard from older people about horrors of Nazi rule, and it is definitely something to have a problem with. Have you seen the film Schindler’s List? One of the co-creators was a Croatian man Branko Lustig who has felt, seen and was in the midst of the events, and a lot of things that you can see in the movie are real situations which came from Lustig’s experience. If you haven’t I recommend it.

edit: I will not continue this discussion because I know that this is a path to a fuckin’ abbys

Yes, I am from Europe and I’ve watched Schindler’s List. It focuses on the Jews. So, why should I care? Jerusalaim Chel Zahav was a good song by the way. And, yes, I’ve heard of those horrors too, but I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers. Although it seems I’m getting somewhere right now that I stopped searching for books that modern and opportunistic “Satanists” purposely want to silence for their pacific and individualistic goals.

What are you expecting from a Diabolist? To protest against crime and inhumanity? I’m not a humanist. (And, by the way, an ideology isn’t judged through its crimes, but through its original beliefs)

I suggest you watch “Thanatomorphose” and “The Fly”. They are much more inspiring than Schindler’s List when it comes to (fictional) horror.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Ramscha » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:21 pm

Klavier wrote:
And, by the way, an ideology isn’t judged through its crimes, but through its original beliefs

And by what people make out of them by following those ways…

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Nahemah » Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:39 pm

Warned users

This is a list of users with unexpired warnings issued to them.

No warnings exist.

I am suspended because of spam and giving false information about myself. Something like that.

Not so,above is the warning log entry,all active warnings/supensions show in the log for one month after issue,so your name would be there with the reason for infraction if you had recently been supended/banned.

You are ether confused or lying or it’s another account you’re talking about, which I probably have banned.

Do carry on.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby EternalReturn » Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:55 pm

Klavier wrote:

EternalReturn wrote:I would like to know if you’re from Europe?

It’s because I am and I’ve heard from older people about horrors of Nazi rule, and it is definitely something to have a problem with. Have you seen the film Schindler’s List? One of the co-creators was a Croatian man Branko Lustig who has felt, seen and was in the midst of the events, and a lot of things that you can see in the movie are real situations which came from Lustig’s experience. If you haven’t I recommend it.

edit: I will not continue this discussion because I know that this is a path to a fuckin’ abbys

Yes, I am from Europe and I’ve watched Schindler’s List. It focuses on the Jews. So, why should I care? Jerusalaim Chel Zahav was a good song by the way. And, yes, I’ve heard of those horrors too, but I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers. Although it seems I’m getting somewhere right now that I stopped searching for books that modern and opportunistic “Satanists” purposely want to silence for their pacific and individualistic goals.

What are you expecting from a Diabolist? To protest against crime and inhumanity? I’m not a humanist. (And, by the way, an ideology isn’t judged through its crimes, but through its original beliefs)

I suggest you watch “Thanatomorphose” and “The Fly”. They are much more inspiring than Schindler’s List when it comes to (fictional) horror.

I will, thank you for suggestion.

But I have to ask, concerning morality and such what are your thoughts?

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:31 am

Nahemah wrote:

Warned users

This is a list of users with unexpired warnings issued to them.

No warnings exist.

I am suspended because of spam and giving false information about myself. Something like that.

Not so,above is the warning log entry,all active warnings/supensions show in the log for one month after issue,so your name would be there with the reason for infraction if you had recently been supended/banned.

You are ether confused or lying or it’s another account you’re talking about, which I probably have banned.

Do carry on.

I said I wasn’t allowed to login. Every time I was trying there was this white message under my username and password.

EternalReturn wrote:

Klavier wrote:

EternalReturn wrote:I would like to know if you’re from Europe?

It’s because I am and I’ve heard from older people about horrors of Nazi rule, and it is definitely something to have a problem with. Have you seen the film Schindler’s List? One of the co-creators was a Croatian man Branko Lustig who has felt, seen and was in the midst of the events, and a lot of things that you can see in the movie are real situations which came from Lustig’s experience. If you haven’t I recommend it.

edit: I will not continue this discussion because I know that this is a path to a fuckin’ abbys

Yes, I am from Europe and I’ve watched Schindler’s List. It focuses on the Jews. So, why should I care? Jerusalaim Chel Zahav was a good song by the way. And, yes, I’ve heard of those horrors too, but I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers. Although it seems I’m getting somewhere right now that I stopped searching for books that modern and opportunistic “Satanists” purposely want to silence for their pacific and individualistic goals.

What are you expecting from a Diabolist? To protest against crime and inhumanity? I’m not a humanist. (And, by the way, an ideology isn’t judged through its crimes, but through its original beliefs)

I suggest you watch “Thanatomorphose” and “The Fly”. They are much more inspiring than Schindler’s List when it comes to (fictional) horror.

I will, thank you for suggestion.

But I have to ask, concerning morality and such what are your thoughts?

Similar with the ones I have about Christianity: “Diabolus est Deus inversus”

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:56 pm

This whole alien theory and daring to call the LORD a Nephelim is outrageous. I hope Maxine shall die really painfully for her blasphemy and pay a visit to the “Nephelim” down there for her flesh to be sharpened on fiery wheels whilst she’s still alive. Apropos, the one speaking on their videos cannot be Maxine. From what I understand, Maxine has to be an old ugly whore who claims to be a Nazi whilst she is not even white, so it’s pretty unlikely that she has such a young voice and this kind of accent.
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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby manofsands » Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:32 am

Klavier wrote:I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers.

Would it be presumptuous to assume you’ve had a lot of pain and unhappiness in your life?

There should be obviously expected responses to such posts. Which would indicate a desire for such responses.

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Re: Debunking the Joy of Satan

Postby Klavier » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:19 pm

manofsands wrote:

Klavier wrote:I’m a Diabololator; a Diabolist. What makes you thinking that I care about it? You can torture to death the whole planet as long as you don’t touch me and you don’t blaspheme against the LORD. I would do the same if I could control my psychic powers.

Would it be presumptuous to assume you’ve had a lot of pain and unhappiness in your life?

There should be obviously expected responses to such posts. Which would indicate a desire for such responses.

Hi

I didn’t know this is a psychology forum. But, no, I was never really unhappy and I was claiming to be Satanist since I was seven because of my sympathy for the LORD. I had no idea that today’s Satanism is crawling on pseudo-moralistic and politically correct businesses made for money, sex or political propaganda.

Emotional Competency – Tyranny (Hitler, Nazis, Joy of Satan members, V. Hompo, Mad Max etc)

Emotional Competency – Tyranny.

Tyranny
Abusing Power

Whether it’s a pushy person, a control freak, a bully, or an outright tyrant, the problem is the same: their goals are always more important than yours. A difficult, pushy person has gone too far again. They are bossing you around, acting selfish and self-important, threatening you, making demands, barking orders, and abusing their power. Control freaks, imperative people, and tyrants exercise power in a harsh, cruel, or destructive manner. They are oppressive, harsh, arbitrary people who make life difficult for too many of us. They are annoyinginconsiderate, and demeaning. What are they thinking? How can we respond constructively?

Caution: Control-oriented people as described here expect to control the people and events around them. Exposing or challenging their tactics could provoke their anger and result in severe and possibly dangerous retaliation. Expect to be a target of their backlash. Protect yourself and others who could become targets before challenging a control-oriented person.

Definitions

  1. Absolute rule,
  2. Abusing power,
  3. Selfish power,
  4. Unmitigated power,
  5. Unrestrained exercise of power; abuse of authority

Related Terms

Difficult people, control freaks, imperative people, and bullies push us around during our day-to-day encounters. They go out of their way to turn every encounter into a dominance contest and often insist on getting the last word. They insist you do it their way, dominating so many trivial issues as well as the more important ones. Going out to dinner with a control freak can easily become an ordeal. Choosing the restaurant, deciding where to sit, what to order, what fork to use, how much to tip, how long to stay, who pays, how to pay, and what to do next all has to be done their way. Tyrants, dictators, despots, autocrats, authoritarians, imperialists, fascists, Czars, Nazis, and monarchs practice their tyranny, totalitarianism, absolute rule, and domination on a larger and more destructive scale.

Tyranny leads to oppression, the sustained humiliation of a group of people. The oppressed people are suppressed, limited, or controlled by unjust use of force or authority.

A Hierarchy of Tyrants:

Tyranny can creep into our behavior to a greater or lesser degree. Here are some categories, arranged in increasing degrees of dominance and disregard for others.

Cause / Deficiency Behavior
Low Self-esteem Fragile high self esteem drives these people to act superior to disguise their inferior feelings. Controlling others is one manifestation of their need to act superior.
Healthy Self-esteem This is the desired condition. True leaders act from healthy high esteem.
Egotism Egotists are self-centered. They have been seduced by their first-person viewpoint. It’s all about them; they are motivated only by their own self-interests. They lack empathy for others. They are controlling because only their needs matter.
Narcissism Narcissists have a grandiose sense of self-importance. They exaggerate their achievements and expect to be recognized as superior, even when their accomplishments are ordinary. They fantasize attaining unlimited success or power. They believe they are special and require excessive admiration. They lack empathy and exploit others to achieve their own ends. They often envy others or believe others envy them. They are controlling because only they matter.
Psychopath Psychopaths are anti-social. They totally disregard the rights of others. They feel little or no remorse for the harm they cause others. They blame the victim and lack empathy. They are deceitful, aggressive, tough minded, glib, superficial, exploitative, irresponsible, and impulsive. Yet they may display a superficial charm. They are controlling because others don’t matter.

Leadership and Tyranny:

A superficial analysis may show that leaders and tyrants share many characteristics. Tyrants often appear at first as strong and effective leaders. Perhaps this explains why so many tyrants attain leadership positions. This chart can help us discern the differences and avoid the costly mistake of granting unchecked positional power to a tyrant.

Leaders Tyrants
Visionary; holds a clear, compelling, well thought-out, and constructive vision for the future. Focused while maintaining broad perspective. Visionary, but fixated on a narrow view. Narrowly focused.
Determined; they persistently pursue their goal and are undaunted by obstacles and setbacks. Relentless, tenacious, unyielding, rigid, close-minded, dogmatic, and stubborn.
Influential; communicates passionately to engage people. Influential, charismatic, captivating, engaging.
Passionate; remains committed and focused on the goal with heart and soul. Obsessed; the goal is all that matters. It must be achieved at all costs.
Increase trust. Followers are intrinsically motivated and provide enduring support. Increase fear. Followers are extrinsically motivated and support ends when the coercion ends. Often resentment endures.
Enthusiastic. Zealot.
Connected with others. Separate from others. Isolated, alone and apart.
Empathy for others. Humble. Apathy for others. Arrogant.
Healthy self-esteem. Accurate and realistic self-appraisal. Solicits and accepts feedback and criticism. Low, or fragile-high self-esteem. Egotism, narcissism, or even psychopathic. Inaccurate and Unrealistic self-appraisal. Avoids and rejects criticism and all but overwhelmingly positive feedback.
Primarily concerned for the cause, the organization, and the people being lead. Concerned only for the self.
Broadly and ethically principled. Fair and generous. Unprincipled or narrowly principled. Selfish.
Responsible. Irresponsible.
Internal Locus of Control External Locus of Control.
Consistent, reliable, logical, authentic, well adjusted, and emotionally stable. Volatile, whacky, irritable.
Realistic. Optimistic.
Listens and dialogues. Monologs, lectures, preaches and engages in tirades.
Respects reciprocity and symmetry. Strongly asymmetrical.
Open, communicative. Secretive.
Concerned with substance. Concerned with image.
Evidence based. Dominance based.
Considerate Invasive, intrusive, and obnoxious.
High, relevant, consistent, and attainable performance standards. Perfectionist, demanding, inconsistent.
Provides helpful and balanced feedback. Critical and demanding.
Benjamin Franklin, Catherine the Great, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Mahatma Gandhi, Winston Churchill, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr. Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Mao Tse Tung, Idi Amin Dada, Slobodan Milosevic

Tyranny is no substitute for leadership and should never be confused with leadership.

Healthy Control

It is certainly important for us to control ourselves and many aspects of our lives. Self-control is an important attribute of maturity, and an essential component of relatedness. Control is an essential element of responsibility. Loss of control leads to anxietyunhappinessangerresentment, stress, feeling helpless, and even depression. Abdicating control, acting powerless, and playing the victim, is irresponsible. But keep in mind that our freedom ends where other’s begins. Balance control with the rights and needs of others and respect for others.

Control goes beyond Autonomy and Competence

Autonomy—responsible free choice—is a basic human need. But control goes beyond autonomy because it goes beyond what is reasonable or necessary and ignores the needs and freedoms of other people. Control is autonomy gone awry because it is unmitigated by relatedness. Control ignores the no-trespassing sign that autonomy respects.

Competence—successfully meeting an optimum challenge—is also a basic human need that is similar to but not the same as control. You can reasonably ask: How can I succeed at a task if I can’t control the activities required for the task? Again the distinction is the consideration given to the rights of others.

Out of Balance:

Why do they act so bossy? What are control freaks and other bullies thinking? They have several perceptions and beliefs out of balance.

Reducing Anxiety:

The mistaken belief that what I can control can’t hurt me drives the behavior of many control freaks. Others are driven by the fear that they will lose control, or at least needed autonomy, altogether. Their anxiety results from vulnerabilities that the control freak tries to eliminate by controlling every aspect of the environment and the people in it. They try to control every threat. They lose track of what they can change and what they cannot. They chose an ineffective approach to coping with their anxiety. There is certainly enough to worry about: the ambitious boss-under-pressure worries the work won’t get done, envious co-workers worry you’ll get the promotion instead of them, jealous adults worry about their partners; scarcity leads to resource contention, stature-conscious, resentful, or caring but inept parents worry about the kids; and tormented, willful, or confused kids worry about the parents and each other. It must be exhausting.

Uncontrollable adverse events often lead to learned helplessness and stress. Exerting control learned prevents helplessness, unless you try to control the uncontrollable or change the unchangeable.

Tyrants reduce their own fear by removing anyone who poses a threat.

Getting it Right:

An obsession with getting it right—when driven by the fear of failure—can result in controlling behavior. Perhaps the control freak does have an important vision worth achieving. Perhaps the goals are worth working hard toward. Perhaps obsessive attention to detail is the best way to get the all-important result. Perhaps they have an outsized but narrow and rigid sense of duty. They may not see other options for solving problems and getting things done. They may be trapped by their own set of rigid but ill-founded rules. Perhaps the control freak just cares more than you do about the goal. They may see the goal as much more important than the relationship, and they don’t see how to preserve both. Perhaps the enthusiast has crossed the line and become the zealot. The control freak is deathly afraid of failure, and they don’t trust anyone else to get it right.

To placate your micromanaging boss try to establish a better working relationship, demonstrate your interest, concern, dedication, knowledge, and competency; keep the boss informed, request more autonomy. Put the boss at ease, address his fears, work to understand the pressures he faces and his point of view, and he may allow you the space you need to contribute your best.

Impatience:

Impatience—the fear of running late—can stimulate controlling behavior. Often impatient people usurp control in an attempt to speed events along and get more done. This quick-fix rarely works. As the signs say “The hurrier I go the behinder I get,” and “Look before you leap.”

Doing as a substitute for Being:

I make up for my pathetic being with more and more doing. I have a relentless sense of duty; I cannot say no. If I do enough my value will become obvious, even to me.

Contingent Self-esteem:

The biggest secret is that I’m not as good as I appear to be. My image has to be controlled at all cost. Because I feel inferior, I have to act superior. My biggest fear is that someone will discover I’m a wimp. The only opinion I have of myself is the opinion others have of me. How I feel depends entirely on what you think of me. I depend desperately on your approval to establish and maintain my self-worth. I work full time to cover up my vulnerability. I crave your affirmation and approval. I must control or even humiliate you so you don’t humiliate me.

These people don’t understand that their self-worth and dignity is intrinsic and is not provided by others. Also, stature is only achieved on an absolute scale, and is not evaluated in comparison to others.

First Person-Viewpoint:

We all view the world from our unique first-person viewpoint. But if other viewpoints can’t be comprehended, or this viewpoint is unmitigated by healthy relationships with others, or feeling empathy, it becomes disconnected, uncaring, unchecked, fixated, and destructive. This is the root of egotism. The egotist forgets that his freedom ends where other’s freedom begins. The belief (or fear) that “no one can get the job done as well as I can” or “if you want it done right, do it yourself” drives many control freaks to interfere, bosses to micro-manage, and poor leaders to overreach. Along with their first-person viewpoint, a fear of failure drives them to control every aspect of their world as they attempt to ensure success and reduce their anxiety. In any case the control freak is preserving their own interests at the expense of other’s. Children are born believing they are the center of the universe; tyrants never outgrow this belief.

Mistrusting Others

The control freak may simply mistrust others. There can be several causes for this including past betrayals, poor  relationships, or poor communication or delegation skills. They may criticize other’s work and find it unacceptable. The control freak believes that since others can’t be trusted to get the job done, there is no alternative to doing it yourself.

To work with such an untrusting control freak it may be helpful to gain their trust carefully and gradually over time.

Controlling Resources:

Control freaks may hold the mistaken belief that the person with the most toys wins.

Unaware:

Perhaps the control freak just does not know any better and is unaware of more constructive and effective approaches to achieving goals. Perhaps abuse is all they have ever known. Perhaps the only approach they ever learned for dealing with people is to abuse them. Perhaps their only role models were other control freaks. Perhaps you can have compassion for their ignorance and help them learn better approaches to building relationships.

Hierarchies:

Organizations are typically organized as hierarchies, with several people reporting to one boss. While this is a common and often effective organization structure, it is no excuse for an abusive boss, and it does not diminish the value of any of the humans in the organization, regardless of their position the formal hierarchy. Carefully designed organizations put in place mechanisms, such as upward feedback, anonymous reporting, and ombudsmen, to prevent or provide early warning of abuse.

Having a Bad Day:

When people are under unusual stress they may react by seizing control. Perhaps a generally reasonable person has just been stuck in traffic, had a fight with their spouse, got bad news from the doctor, learned they are about to lose their job, or bounced a check. They may react to this stress by being uncharacteristically difficult and controlling for some period of time. If a generally reasonable person is acting unreasonable today, then perhaps you can wait for their stress to pass and they will return to their more reasonable selves. A good person in bad circumstances deserves your compassion, not your provocation.

Responding to Tyrants:

We can choose how we respond to tyrants. There are alternatives to oppression.

Overcome our Fear:

Tyrants exploit our primal fears and we typically cower from them. We are seduced by their influence and succumb to their threats as we are easily blinded by fearanxietyshamehate, or guilt. We yield to their tantrums. Fear can easily lead to primal thinking, tunnel vision, and panic. But courage can overcome our fears and with careful and creative planning we can confront the tyrant.

Endure and Survive:

Slaves endured the oppression and humiliation of slavery for many years. It was not acceptance, but merely survival until they could work toward better treatment. Tyrants often come and go, perhaps you can wait this one out.

Understand their Point of View:

Perhaps the tyrant really does have it right. Work to adopt his point of view and understand where he is “coming from”, what problems he is facing, and what he is trying to accomplish. See if this helps to make his actions and motives more clear. Even tyrants deserve our empathy. Perhaps adopting his viewpoint will allow you to see alternative solutions, or at least cope better.

Disengage:

If you don’t like it, change it. If you can’t change it, leave. Acknowledge the oppression, understand the tyrant, consider your alternatives, and choose your battles carefully. Decide what you choose to change and what you choose to avoid. If this is just not a situation where you have the strength, interest, resources, or will to change now, you may decide to disengage and live to fight another day. If your boss is a tyrant arrange for a reassignment or leave the organization.

Tower, Don’t Cower:

Although the typical reaction is to cower in response to the tyrant’s threats, there is a more elevated and enlightened viewpoint. If we recognize the many fallacies tyrants rely on, and recognize tyrants as the lonely and childish school-yard bullies they are we can avoid being controlled by them. Spoiled brats do not deserve the attention they demand. Uncover, dispel, and shatter the myth. This viewpoint recognizes these powerful truths:

Dignity is intrinsic to every human. It does not have to be earned, it cannot be granted, and it cannot be taken away. The tyrant can neither strip you of your dignity nor can he provide you with dignity. We all share a long list of intrinsic similarities. You remain a worthy human being regardless of what the tyrant does. It is your own choice, your own asset, do not squander it. The oppressed are no less worthy than the powerful.

The tyrant’s freedom ends where yours begins. When the tyrant’s will infringes on your autonomy, a negotiation is required to resolve the conflict. The situation is symmetrical, you each have rights,boundaries, and limits. Seek shared values to provide principles that can help transcend or decide conflictthe. Create alternatives that eliminate the conflict and make it unnecessary. Identify trespass, make it visible, and do not tolerate it.

First person viewpoint is the fundamental asymmetry of humanity. The tyrant is seduced by his own narrow viewpoint. He considers only what he sees and he experiences that clearly, uniquely, and powerfully. His point of view is not moderated by healthy and respectful relationships with people who have alternative viewpoints. Perhaps he is unaware, or intolerant of diverse or conflicting viewpoints. He may fear skepticism and inquiry. He does not welcome criticism or differing points of view. He may not even be aware of any alternative viewpoints. Perhaps he is uncomfortable with complexity. But his is only one out of the six-billion valid viewpoints on this planet. Your own point of view is equally valid. Find a forum, express your views, and begin the dialogue. The storyteller provides only one viewpoint—it is inherently selective and biased. Go tell your story—it is equally valid and important.

Hate can only be sustained by cognitive error. The tyrant works to control or eliminate something or someone he sees as the obstacle to his goals. He has named the evil other, he hates it, and it must be destroyed. But choosing to hate is an ineffective shortcut that avoids the hard work of analyzing the problem in depth. Hating attributes blame incorrectly; it misallocates right and wrong. To defuse the hate, assess the situation from another perspective, analyze the problem in more depth, identify the real causes, eliminate the errors in thinking, and move forward with an effective solution.

Wanted! for Murder, for Kidnapping, for Theft and for ArsonTyranny is dishonorable. History judges tyrants harshly. Hitler and his new wife, Eva Braun, committed suicide in his underground bunker in Berlin in the final days of World War II. Joseph Stalin’s crash programs of industrialization and collectivization in the 1930s, along with his ongoing campaigns of political repression, are estimated to have cost the lives of millions of people. Saddam Hussein was convicted of charges related to the executions of 148 Iraqi Shiites suspected of planning an assassination attempt against him, and was sentenced to death by hanging. Saddam was executed on December 30, 2006. Many of Mao Tse Tung’s policies and socio-political programs such as the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution are blamed by critics for causing severe damage to the culture, society, economy, and foreign relations of China, as well as an estimated 40 million or more lost lives. Their glory is short lived, their disgrace lasts forever. It won’t be long before the tide turns against the tyrant.

Might does not make right. Quite the opposite is true; when evidence is available then influence alone can make the point and change behavior without having to rely on coercion. If your views are correct, they do not need an aggressive defense; if they are incorrect they do not deserve it. If Pepsi really was better than Coke, there would be no need to spend $ Billions on advertisements claiming it is better. If President Richard Nixon believed he was the better candidate, then why was the Watergate break-in necessary? If Catholic priests did not molest children, then the Vatican would not have written a secret document, the Crimen sollicitationis, directing the use of pontifical secrecy to cover up the cases. Beginning in 1950, Senator Joseph McCarthy became noted for making unsubstantiated claims that there were large numbers of Communists and Soviet spies and sympathizers inside the United States government. It is difficult to estimate the number of victims of his false accusations. The number imprisoned is in the hundreds, and some ten or twelve thousand lost their jobs. Ultimately, his tactics led to his being discredited and censured by the United States Senate. Because their views go unchallenged, powerful self-centered people often get it very wrong. If the tyrant really does have a better idea, let that idea gain acceptance on its own merits. Good ideas speak for themselves. The need to use force is evidence of a weak idea.

Humor provides a new perspective. Political Satire, Political Cartoons, Doonesbury, Dilbert, the Daily Show, and Saturday Night Live all work to balance power by making fun of it. The nursery rhyme “Rock-a-by Baby” may have been a surreptitious way of singing dissent with the English civil war. Be very careful when using humor to disarm power. Respond in a friendly but disarming way that makes light of the tyrant’s abusive tactics. Highlight the fallacies in the tyrant’s goals and tactics, but carefully avoid humiliating the tyrant.

The best leaders are the best servants. Leadership is not about controlling people; it’s about caring for people and being a useful resource for people. The best leaders help people work together and do their best to achieve an important goal. Their actions focus on accomplishing as a team much more than any one person could accomplish alone. Leadership is about helping people attain the goal, not about aggrandizing the leader. Tyrants don’t serve and servants don’t control. Tyrants are not leaders, and any contrary myths need to be exposed as false.

Scapegoats are chosen as convenient proxies. They are easy targets chosen to accept blame, displace responsibility for problems from where it truly belongs, and to distract attention from the actual problems. Tyrants identify scapegoats to distract attention from their own misdeeds. The scapegoat is not the problem, don’t be distracted, look elsewhere for the real cause. Analyze cause and effect more carefully, avoid the fallacy of disproportionate responsibility, determine more accurately where responsibly actually belongs. Draw attention away from the scapegoat and toward the real problem.

Courage can overcome fear. The tyrant uses fear to keep us from seeing alternatives. In the face of his intimidation we typically freeze, flee, become anger locked, or submit to his demands. But if we can focus, summon our courage, relax, comprehend the situation, and develop alternatives, we can create options for moving forward constructively. On December 1, 1955, Rosa ParksExternal Link became famous for refusing to obey bus driverThe Unknown Rebel James Blake’s order that she give up her seat. This action of civil disobedience started the Montgomery Bus Boycott, which is one of the largest movements against racial segregation. In addition, this launched Martin Luther King, Jr., who was involved with the boycott, to a prominent position among his people and in the civil rights movement. She has had a lasting legacy worldwide.

During the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989External Link an unarmed man stood in the center of the street, halting the tanks’ progress. He reportedly asked, “Why are you here? You have caused nothing but misery.” As the tank driver attempted to go around him, the “tank man” moved into the tank’s path. He continued to stand defiantly in front of the tanks for some time, then climbed up onto the turret of the lead tank to speak to the soldiers inside. After returning to his position blocking the tanks, the man was pulled aside by onlookers who perhaps feared he would be shot or run over. Time Magazine dubbed him “The Unknown Rebel” and later named him one of the 100 most influential people of the 20th century. Tyrants are often unprepared for truly courageous and well-planned responses.

Human needs are simple and largely non-material. Although autonomy is a human need, steak for dinner is not. In choosing to endure tyrant’s abuse you may be choosing to buy a steak dinner at the cost of your autonomy. This is usually a bad deal. Choose simplicity over oppression.

There are always alternatives. Reject the obvious alternatives, create new options, and find another way. Innovation creates opportunities. Dialogue creates solutions that other forms of communication jealously hide. If you can’t think of alternatives and feel there is no way out then talk to more people and generate more ideas.

Mohandas K. GandhiNo one is powerless.  We each have our own sources of power. The boss depends on the secretary, the doctor depends on nurses and patients, and the manager depends on the workers. Mahatma GandhiExternal Linkwas the skinny little brown man who summoned the power to free India from British colonial rule. Find your source of strength and apply it to the problem at hand. Don’t play the victim, you always have choices. Speak up and speak out about what you want and expect from the relationship. End the trespassing and assert your right to dignity, respect, and freedom. Describe the actual, unfair, and unwanted asymmetry of the relationship, how it makes you feel, why it is unfair, and then describe the fair and symmetrical relationship you expect. Say what you mean, but don’t be mean. Don’t insult, humiliate, or threaten the control freak. Confront the control freak, and plan how to expose and disarm the tyrant.

Helplessness can be learned and unlearned. Oppression teaches you to become passive and stop trying to help yourself. But you can reassess your options and decide to take action to end the oppression.

Everyone, even the tyrant, is vulnerable. Study the tyrant to find out his weaknesses. Balance the power. Apply your strength where he is most weak. Calmly describe how natural forces resisting the tyrant will eventually defeat his efforts.

It is possible to speak truth to power. Don’t be distracted or intimidated by the tyrant’s positional power, reputation, physical appearance; wincing, bellowing, or rolling eyes; physical surroundings, or other attempts to emphasize a disparity in power and importance. Do not tolerate ego rants. Do your homework, get the facts right, and present your case clearly, calmly, and persuasively. You can challenge an authority by respectfully asking: “How do you know?”, “Why do you say what you say?”, “What is the evidence to support your position?”, and “Who disagrees with you?”

Rana HusseiniExternal Link spoke truth to power and exposed the shame of Jordan when she unveiled the common but unspoken crime of honor killingsExternal Link there. Honor killings refer to the murder by family members of a woman who is raped or is said to have participated in illicit sexual activity. The mere perception that a woman has behaved in a way that is considered as dishonoring her family is sufficient to trigger an attack on her life. Across the globe, women who are beaten, brutalized, and raped can expect police, prosecutors, and judges to humiliate victims, fail to investigate cases, and dismiss charges. Honor killings accounted for one-third of the murders of women in Jordan in 1999. She wrote a series of reports on the killings and launched a campaign to stop them. As a result, she has been threatened and accused of being anti-Islam, antifamily, and anti-Jordan. Yet, Queen NoorExternal Link took up the cause, and later, the newly ascended King Hassan cited the need for protection of women in his opening address to parliament. The conspiracy of silence has been forever broken thanks to this courageous young journalist who risks her life in the firm belief that exposing the truth about honor killings and other forms of violence against women is the first step to stopping them.

The tools of influence are symmetrical. The techniques the powerful use to influence the oppressed can also be adapted by the oppressed to influence the powerful.

Extremists discount, dismiss, distort, dispute, or deflect important evidence. But facts are stubborn. As the facts become more widely known and understood, the unreasonableness of the tyrant’s position becomes more clear to more people. His support eventually dwindles as more people recognize the emperor has no clothes.External Link

There is tremendous power in alliances. Striking Members of the International Lady Garment Workers Union (Ilgwu) Picket on 7th Ave.None of us are as smart or powerful as all of us. As the scope of the tyrant’s impact increases, as more people suffer from his abuse, the more people there are to pool their resources and energy in overcoming his grip. Find the people who are suffering from the tyrant’s grip, recognize the common problem you are facing, and find a way to band together and effect positive change. India’s independence movement, labor unions, the women’s suffrage movement, the civil rights movement, and the anti-apartheid cause all provide prominent examples of oppressed people working together to overcome powerful forces, abuse, and tyranny.

You can choose your battles. You can decide when to ignore, yield to, appease, or accommodate the control-freak’s requests. You can also decide when to confront the unreasonable behavior and insist on change. Keep an effective strategy in mind to help you choose your battles carefully. With careful preparation, you can always walk away.

Government exists only to serve and benefit the governed. The United Nation’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights clearly states: “The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures”. Tyrants often forget this and erroneously believe the purpose of government is to benefit only themselves. Insist on a government that represents and serves the people.

Privilege and power are distinct from talent. A rich, powerful person may not be very bright while a poor person might be very bright, hard working, creative, and talented. Don’t be mislead by image, boasting, intimidation, pedigree, and posturing. Demonstrate leadership through hard work, not privilege. Apply your talents regardless of your present social position. Seek stature, not status.Traffic, 405 North, Los Angeles, CA

There are paths of progress other than growth.  Flowers develop by unfolding their potential, not by becoming the biggest flower. Bigger is not always better. There are important alternatives, including: peace of mind, integrity, giving and gaining the respect of others, tranquility, clean air, clean water, the beauty of nature, a healthy environment to enjoy now and sustain for the future, family, friendships, community, safety, stability, trust, leisure time, meaningful work, authentic experiences,reciprocity, good health, reduced stress, ongoing education, fun, enjoyment of the arts, transcendence, and making significant contributions that help others. Tyrants often ignore or diminish the value of these genuine alternatives to growth, expansion, and conquest. Challenge the assumptions that growth is good and inevitable. Pursue genuine progress, and don’t be seduced by the idea that growth represents progress. Reject the insatiable tyranny of more.

We are all connected. We all rely on others—locally and globally—for needed resources such as food, water, health care, energy, labor, land, and education. The tyrant depends on the oppressed.

Tyranny is childish. Tyrants lack self-control, sound judgment, refined character, respectwisdom, and transcendent purpose. Tyranny is a tragically unleashed version of a child’s selfish tantrum. It is ineffective; tyranny has a clear history of tragedy and failure. In retrospect it often looks preposterous. We can learn to recognize it, call attention to it, act as responsible grownups, and not tolerate it. Maturity is about using wisdom to achieve constructive results. Tyrants lack the wisdom of: understanding the intrinsic similarities we all share, interconnections, relatednesscompassionrespect, accurate history, symmetryinquiry,humility, and responsibilityAdults don’t tolerate tantrums, there is no reason to tolerate tyranny.

Oppression constrains the tyrant. Sustaining oppression requires a narrow worldview based on false beliefs. The false belief that women are not smart enough to vote, the false belief that slaves are subhuman, the false belief that Jews are to blame for the problems of Nazi Germany, and the false belief that the poor are stupid were each essential to maintaining the power of the tyrant and sustaining the oppression. When these false beliefs are dismissed and corrected, we gain a more accurate understanding of our world and we all benefit. Expose the lie and strengthen the community.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant. The most credible and respected organizations operate in an open atmosphere. Their operations and decisions are transparent and can be easily examined by interested people inside and outside the organization. Organizations that are well run and are responsible to the public not only accept criticism and suggestions, but embrace them. If questions from constituents, the public, or the media make leaders or other responsible parties become uncomfortable, evasive, or disingenuous, the questions are usually valid and the answers are not. People who feel uncomfortable under the bright light of scrutiny and criticism often have something to hide. Shine the light on tyranny to purify it.

Tyrants are lonely, afraid, insecure, and human. They deserve our compassion, even as we withhold our obedience and submission. The many causes of tyranny, described at the beginning of this page, show that tyrants are often driven by deficiencies, inadequacy, loneliness, or fear. Tyrants often see themselves as the victim. Adolf Hitler titled his autobiography “Mein Kampf”, “My Struggle”. Perhaps if they can connect in authentic relationships with caring people, their pain can be soothed, and their behaviors can improve. Even the nastiest tyrants are only human. Understand the similarities you share with them. Connect with them on a human level. Pity the poor tyrant. Have you hugged a tyrant today?

The Land of Oz:

In the popular movie “The Wizard of Oz” Dorothy demonstrates constructive responses to tyranny.  The movie is such a good allegory for coping with tyranny you might be tempted to claim “everything I need to know about tyranny I learned in the land of Oz.” Here is a brief summary:

  • Everyone experiences fear, including fear of humiliation.
  • Courage can overcome fear.
  • We are responsible for our own choices.
  • We all have sources of power we can draw on.
  • Authentic self-confidence increases our power.
  • Inquiry, evidence, and argument are powerful tools for uncovering what is.
  • Alliances can increase our power.
  • We each have our own important stories to tell.
  • Tyrants use the trappings of power to enhance their image.
  • Tyrants suppress and manipulate opponents by exploiting their fears.
  • We often imagerespond to  before we respond to substance.
  • Image is not substance.
  • You can speak truth to power.
  • Tyrants respond differently to compassion than they do to threats, dominance, or humiliation.
  • The Wizard is only human.
  • All things must pass; even tyranny is impermanent.

Quotations:

  • “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.” ~  Lord ActonExternal Link
  • “He that would govern others, first should be the master of himself.” ~ Philip MassingerExternal Link
  • “Humanity is not divisive, but inclusive.” ~ Neriah Lothamer
  • “No one can take advantage of you without your permission.” ~ Eleanor RooseveltExternal Link
  • “We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately.” ~ Benjamin FranklinExternal Link
  • “Pity the tyrant.” ~ Hans Otto Storm
  • “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” ~ Mahatma GandhiExternal Link
  • “When those in power are forced into a process of deliberation, then and only then will reason play its necessary central role.” ~ Al Gore
  • “Never feel overwhelmed when you are overwhelmed with evidence of injustice.” ~ Ralph Nader

References

The Control Freak, by Les Parrott

Imperative People: Those Who Must Be in Control, by Les Parrott

Dancing in the Shadow of Tyranny: An Activist’s Guide to Inner Disarmament, by Neriah Lothamer

Bullies, Tyrants, and Impossible People: How to Beat Them Without Joining Them, by Ronald M. Shapiro, Mark A. Jankowski, James Dale

When You Work for a Bully: Assessing Your Options and Taking Action, by Susan Futterman

Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work, , by Paul Babiak, Robert D. Hare

Humiliation and Assistance: Telling the Truth About Power, Telling a New Story, by Linda M. Hartling, Wellesley College

The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

The 48 Laws of Power, by Robert Greene

How to Use Power Phrases to Say What You Mean, Mean What You Say, & Get What You Want, by Meryl Runion

Good to Great: Why Some Companies Make the Leap… and Others Don’t, by Jim Collins

Bridging the Class Divide: And Other Lessons for Grassroots Organizing, by Linda Stout

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders DSM-IV-TR Fourth Edition, by the American Psychiatric Association.

The Assault on Reason, by Al Gore

The Wizard of Oz—When Dorothy courageously penetrates the wizard’s façade, they finally connect on an authentic human level and each gets the help they need.

Yertle the Turtle and Other Stories, by  Dr. Seuss

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Tyrants are lonely, afraid, insecure, and human. They deserve our compassion, even as we withhold our obedience and submission. The many causes of tyranny, described at the beginning of this page, show that tyrants are often driven by deficiencies, inadequacy, loneliness, or fear. Tyrants often see themselves as the victim. Adolf Hitler titled his autobiography “Mein Kampf”, “My Struggle”. Perhaps if they can connect in authentic relationships with caring people, their pain can be soothed, and their behaviors can improve. Even the nastiest tyrants are only human. Understand the similarities you share with them. Connect with them on a human level. Pity the poor tyrant. Have you hugged a tyrant today?”

Fuck that! Deserve OUR compassion? Screw them, let them all drop dead, they all are suffering in their insecure, lonely existences, and they deserve to suffer more than most abusive sub-human losers do simply because they are hateful, loathesome, nasty filth spreading their white-power hate to ignorant, uneducated kids and vulnerable people who are emotionally damaged or who have been recently hurt; people who are looking for a spiritual path and come across these bloodthirsty nazi fuckers who pretend to sympathize with them in order to suck them into their false world of bullshit satanism, their guise for nazism and hatred. Let these insecure assholes dig their holes and let those who realize what they really are send out the invites for the mass burials, and bring extra shovels. None of these shits deserve our compassion. There’s no room for these pitiful bullies any longer. Let them all squirm in their own shit knowing the world in on to their lies and the truth about what each and every one of them truly is.

You know who you are, insecure, weak little lonely worm. Crawl back into dirty little hole before your your new friend’s secret it outed to Joy of Satan. You’re not supposed to have Jewish friends, or friends with Jewish children, Jewish girlfriends with Jewish little girls… you hypocrite. Bully dozens of people, former friends, total strangers — stalk and harass people for years for their eating habits and now for their race, their religion or their sexual preference — and you, Veronika Hompo dare to parade your new pal, who has a Jewish daughter? After all you have done to others in the past year? Claiming it’s what satan wants? Wrong, bitch. He doesn’t want what you do, say or think at all. Your time is up, hypocritical, sick psychopath.